Hyperliquid, Crypto AI, Cycle Dynamics, and Optimal Exits | 0xSmac, Tervo & Tolks

In this episode, we’re joined by Tolks, Tervo, and Smac! We discussed maintaining prediction market momentum, Hyperliquid’s upcoming airdrop, and beta trades in crypto. We also speculated on the diversity of returns going forward, private market activity, and decentralized AI. Finally, Smac gave his views on DePIN, and optimal exit strategies. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Chaos Labs recently launched its new flagship oracle product, Edge with Jupiter. Edge has already secured $30 billion in trading volume over the last 2 months, establishing Edge by Chaos as an immediate leader in the low-latency oracle category.  The protocol design blends market context and price data, reflecting Chaos' central thesis that risk data and price data are inextricably linked.  Follow and reach out to @chaos_labs on X to learn more! -- Fuel Ignition launches as a high-performance Ethereum L2, running on consumer hardware to combat blockchain centralization. Powered by FuelVM, it offers fast, low-cost transactions with Ethereum and Solana wallet support. Explore our growing ecosystem of DApps for crypto management, DEXs, lending, and more.  Visit fuel.network to learn more and start building for tomorrow, today! -- Follow Tolks: https://x.com/_tolks Follow Tervo: https://x.com/tervoooo Follow Smac: https://x.com/0xsmac Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://x.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ Join the 0xResearch Telegram group: https://t.me/+z0H6y2bS-dllODVh -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (3:26) Maintaining Prediction Market Momentum (9:39) Will Hyperliquid Die Out Post Airdrop? (18:40) Beta Trades in Crypto (22:31) Diversity of Returns Going Forward (31:28) Chaos Labs Ad (32:01) Fuel Ad (32:24) Private Market Activity (36:49) What Needs to Be Built? (41:01) Crypto x AI (54:50) Views on DePIN (1:06:25) Regulatory Change, Inning Talk, and Optimal Exits -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, our Blockworks Research analysts discuss the post election crypto boom, the impact improved regulatory frameworks will have on crypto, and what sectors of crypto stand to benefit the most from this new regulatory climate. They also dive into “Ethereum 3.0” and Unichain. Finally, they close out the episode with discussion on the liquid restaking sector, and Web3 gaming. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Resources Beam: A Better Web3 Gaming Index - https://x.com/defi_kay_/status/1854551344532865361 -- Special thanks to our sponsor, Nillion! Stay up-to-date with “Humanity’s first blind computer” by following Nillion on X: https://x.com/nillionnetwork -- Follow Daniel: https://x.com/_dshap Follow Ryan: https://x.com/_ryanrconnor Follow Danny: https://x.com/defi_kay_ Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://x.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ Join the 0xResearch Telegram group: https://t.me/+z0H6y2bS-dllODVh -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:16) The Golden Bull Run is Here (7:17) Regulatory Impacts on DeFi (14:24) What Will Benefit From Improved Regulation? (19:48) Ethereum 3.0 & Unichain (33:43) The SWELL Launch (41:37) Nillion Snippet (50:19) Beam & Web3 Gaming -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, we’re joined by Brick from Entropy Advisors, and Tumilett from the Spartan Group! We discussed the importance of fundamentals in crypto, memecoin and DePIN activity on Solana, crosschain intents, and wallet value capture. Finally, we dove into the Aribitrum ecosystem and its place in the L2 landscape. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Resources ARB: A Timeboost Turnaround?: https://app.blockworksresearch.com/flashnotes/arb-a-timeboost-turnaround Unichain: Liquidity (Potentially) Begets Liquidity: https://app.blockworksresearch.com/flashnotes/unichain-liquidity-potentially-begets-liquidity Across Protocol: Based on Intents: https://app.blockworksresearch.com/research/across-protocol-based-on-intents -- Chaos Labs recently launched its new flagship oracle product, Edge with Jupiter. Edge has already secured $30 billion in trading volume over the last 2 months, establishing Edge by Chaos as an immediate leader in the low-latency oracle category.  The protocol design blends market context and price data, reflecting Chaos' central thesis that risk data and price data are inextricably linked.  Follow and reach out to @chaos_labs on X to learn more! -- Fuel Ignition launches as a high-performance Ethereum L2, running on consumer hardware to combat blockchain centralization. Powered by FuelVM, it offers fast, low-cost transactions with Ethereum and Solana wallet support. Explore our growing ecosystem of DApps for crypto management, DEXs, lending, and more.  Visit fuel.network to learn more and start building for tomorrow, today! -- Follow Entropy Advisors: https://x.com/EntropyAdvisors Follow Spartan Group: https://x.com/TheSpartanGroup Follow Brick: https://x.com/0x___Brick Follow Tumilett: https://x.com/tumilett Follow Ryan: https://x.com/_ryanrconnor Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://x.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:36) Overview of Entropy & Spartan (5:02) How Important Are Fundamentals in Crypto? (13:43) Memecoin and DePIN Activity on Solana (25:43) Chaos Labs Ad (26:16) Fuel Ad (26:39) Crosschain Intents & Wallet Value Capture (38:03) The Arbitrum Ecosystem (45:54) Dealing with Governance Participants (47:34) Arbitrum's Position in the L2 Landscape -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, we’re joined by the host of Forward Guidance, Felix Jauvin! We discussed recently released election polls and data, and how the markets might react post election. Additionally, we asked ourselves - are alts cooked if Harris wins? Does the election even matter for crypto cycles? Finally, we closed the episode with a conversation on how Polymarket will perform post election, and revenue drivers for chains and apps. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Special thanks to our sponsor, Nillion! Stay up-to-date with “Humanity’s first blind computer” by following Nillion on X: https://x.com/nillionnetwork -- Follow Felix: https://x.com/fejau_inc Follow Danny: https://x.com/defi_kay_ Follow Ryan: https://x.com/_ryanrconnor Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://x.com/blockworksres Follow Forward Guidance: https://x.com/forwardguidance Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:48) MacroGCR is in the Trenches (5:44) Election Polls & Data (14:28) The Markets Post Election (26:49) Nillion Snippet (36:50) Are Alts Cooked if Harris Wins? (48:01) Does the Election Even Matter? (54:08) Polymarket Volume Going Forward (1:04:19) Revenue Drivers For Chains and Apps -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, Gwart joined us to discuss the crypto and AI crossover, his thoughts on the current direction of Ethereum, and ETH’s monetary premium. We also asked can ETH become the global reserve currency? What happens when the cost of mining Bitcoin exceeds the block rewards? Finally, we closed out the episode by unpacking the implications of stablecoins being crypto’s killer use case. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Chaos Labs recently launched its new flagship oracle product, Edge with Jupiter. Edge has already secured $30 billion in trading volume over the last 2 months, establishing Edge by Chaos as an immediate leader in the low-latency oracle category.  The protocol design blends market context and price data, reflecting Chaos' central thesis that risk data and price data are inextricably linked.  Follow and reach out to @chaos_labs on X to learn more! -- Fuel Ignition launches as a high-performance Ethereum L2, running on consumer hardware to combat blockchain centralization. Powered by FuelVM, it offers fast, low-cost transactions with Ethereum and Solana wallet support. Explore our growing ecosystem of DApps for crypto management, DEXs, lending, and more.  Visit fuel.network to learn more and start building for tomorrow, today! -- Follow Gwart: https://x.com/GwartyGwart Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_ Follow Dan: https://x.com/smyyguy Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://twitter.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (2:14) The AI Meta (8:05) AI Agents on TradFi vs Crypto Rails (11:05) Is Crypto Actually Useful For AI? (13:46) Does Gwart Hate Ethereum? (16:30) ETHs Monetary Premium (35:07) Will Fees Go to Zero? (45:22) Chaos Labs Ad (45:55) Fuel Ad (46:18) Ethereum's North Star (52:49) Can ETH Become the Global Reserve Currency? (55:04) The Bitcoin Security Budget (1:01:49) 51% Attacks in Crypto (1:09:57) Activity on Tron (1:12:53) The Evolution of L2s -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, our Blockworks Research analysts discuss ai16z Agents, whether or not AI agents will need crypto rails, and the impact data oriented crypto protocols will have on the AI space. They also highlighted Solana REV recently hitting new all time highs, and Raydium’s dominance. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Resources Maximizing Profits with Raydium: https://app.blockworksresearch.com/research/maximizing-profits-with-raydium -- Special thanks to our sponsor, Nillion! Stay up-to-date with “Humanity’s first blind computer” by following Nillion on X: https://x.com/nillionnetwork -- Follow Marc: https://x.com/marcarjoon Follow Ryan: https://x.com/_ryanrconnor Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://twitter.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:34) Are AI Tokens Here to Stay? (13:53) The AI Agent Meta (20:07) Do AI Agents Need Crypto Rails? (23:23) Data Focused Protocols and Their Impact (28:39) Nillion Snippet (39:02) Solana REV Hits New All Time Highs (48:00) Raydium is a Cash Machine -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, the Co-founder and CPO of Mysten Labs, Adeniyi Abiodun, joined us to discuss all things Sui! We covered the thesis for continued Move adoption, Sui’s bet on gaming, and gaining market share in a competitive L1 sector. We also dove into the adoption of ZKlogin, and Walrus!  Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Chaos Labs recently launched its new flagship oracle product, Edge with Jupiter. Edge has already secured $30 billion in trading volume over the last 2 months, establishing Edge by Chaos as an immediate leader in the low-latency oracle category.  The protocol design blends market context and price data, reflecting Chaos' central thesis that risk data and price data are inextricably linked.  Follow and reach out to @chaos_labs on X to learn more! -- Fuel Ignition launches as a high-performance Ethereum L2, running on consumer hardware to combat blockchain centralization. Powered by FuelVM, it offers fast, low-cost transactions with Ethereum and Solana wallet support. Explore our growing ecosystem of DApps for crypto management, DEXs, lending, and more.  Visit fuel.network to learn more and start building for tomorrow, today! -- Follow Adeniyi: https://x.com/EmanAbio Follow Danny: https://x.com/defi_kay_ Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://twitter.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:31) The Thesis For Move Adoption (4:44) Sui's Competitive Advantage (12:44) Gaining Market Share and ZKlogin Adoption (18:46) Chaos Labs Ad (19:19) Fuel Ad (19:42) Sui's Bet On Gaming (25:20) Sui Ecosystem Growth (29:49) Are Payment Transactions Low Value? (32:41) Reflecting On Sui's Launch and Building A Community (37:59) Helping Apps Grow and Adoption of Walrus (45:47) Were Rollups A Good Way to Scale Ethereum? (47:02) Handling Congestion Fees (50:33) DAG Based Consensus (53:00) What's Next For Sui? -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, Boccaccio, Danny, and Ryan from Blockworks Research discuss Deepbook and the Sui Ecosystem, the differing approaches taken by Sui and Aptos, and the total addressable market for GameFi. They also covered the concept of first mover advantage, and whether or not it actually exists in crypto. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Resources Indie Gaming Data: https://gameworldobserver.com/2024/10/16/indie-games-revenue-steam-vs-aaa-titles-vg-insights The State of Gaming in 2024: https://www.matthewball.co/all/gaming2024 Haseeb’s Take on First Mover Advantage: https://x.com/hosseeb/status/1846927648900923839 -- Special thanks to our sponsor, Nillion! Stay up-to-date with “Humanity’s first blind computer” by following Nillion on X: https://x.com/nillionnetwork -- Follow Ryan: https://x.com/_ryanrconnor Follow Danny: https://x.com/defi_kay_ Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://twitter.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:22) Deepbook and the Sui Ecosystem (9:45) Nillion Snippet (18:20) Sui and Aptos' Differing Approaches (23:03) The TAM of GameFi (43:43) First Mover Advantage in Crypto -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, we’re joined by Tolks and Icebergy! We discussed recent activity in the trenches, the memecoin narrative rebrand, and Progressive Web Apps. Additionally, we covered the recent launch of Unichain, and its impact on DeFi. Our guests also gave their thoughts on the current state of public and private markets, their experience using Echo, and what apps are actively being used today. Finally, we closed the episode with advice on how to deal with the growing toxicity in crypto. Thanks for tuning in! As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice. -- Chaos Labs recently launched its new flagship oracle product, Edge with Jupiter. Edge has already secured $30 billion in trading volume over the last 2 months, establishing Edge by Chaos as an immediate leader in the low-latency oracle category.  The protocol design blends market context and price data, reflecting Chaos' central thesis that risk data and price data are inextricably linked.  Follow and reach out to @chaos_labs on X to learn more! -- Fuel Ignition launches as a high-performance Ethereum L2, running on consumer hardware to combat blockchain centralization. Powered by FuelVM, it offers fast, low-cost transactions with Ethereum and Solana wallet support. Explore our growing ecosystem of DApps for crypto management, DEXs, lending, and more.  Visit fuel.network to learn more and start building for tomorrow, today! -- Follow Icebergy: https://x.com/icebergy_ Follow Tolks: https://x.com/_tolks Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Blockworks Research: https://twitter.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (3:12) Activity in the Trenches (7:41) The Memecoin Rebrand (10:40) Mobile Wallets, Telegram Trading, and PWAs (20:25) Thoughts on Unichain (35:28) Chaos Labs Ad (36:01) Fuel Ad (36:24) Public vs Private Markets (39:50) Managing an Echo Group (43:44) What Apps Are Actively Being Used? (52:52) Polymarket Activity Post Election (55:42) Crypto Nihilism & Toxicity -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Dan, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Is "Off The Grid" the breakthrough Web3 gaming needs? We dive into its hyped launch and what it means for crypto adoption. We then dissect HyperLiquid's upcoming token and its potential to reshape the perps landscape. But the real bombshell? Our analysis of L2 economics reveals a startling truth about Ethereum's value capture. We question if Avalanche's adoption-first strategy is brilliant or doomed, and debate whether current blockchain business models are sustainable. Brace yourself for some hard truths about the future of crypto revenue. Enjoy! As always remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. -- Special thanks to our sponsor, Nillion! Stay up-to-date with “Humanity’s first blind computer” by following Nillion on X: https://x.com/nillionnetwork -- Follow Boccaccio: https://x.com/salveboccaccio Follow Marc: https://twitter.com/marcarjoon Follow Ryan: https://twitter.com/_RyanRConnor Follow Danny: https://x.com/defi_kay_ Follow Blockworks Research: https://twitter.com/blockworksres Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3foDS38 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3SNhUEt Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3NlP1hA Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:19) HyperLiquid Token Launch (17:20) Nillion Snippet (22:56) Off the Grid (35:48) Superchain Business Models (44:03) Are L2s Extensions? -- Check out Blockworks Research today! Research, data, governance, tokenomics, and models – now, all in one place Blockworks Research: https://www.blockworksresearch.com/ Free Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 0xResearch is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Boccaccio, Ryan and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.