538. Trust is a Growth Strategy with Dov Gordon

Growth doesn't slow because expertise disappears. It slows when trust erodes. In this episode of Marketing Speak, I sat down with Dov Gordon, founder of JV Grow, who has spent 15 years building a tightly curated community for established entrepreneurs who grow through joint ventures that actually work. Dov shares why broad messaging like "get more clients consistently" no longer works, and what narrowly focused messages build trust faster in today's skeptical marketplace. If you're an intermediate or advanced marketer using joint ventures to grow, this episode reveals the partnership strategies that work when audiences are overwhelmed, and trust is hard to earn. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/538.

🚨 ChatGPT updates twice as fast as Google. Are you tracking the right metrics? Former Bing Webmaster Tools architect Duane Forrester just revealed a critical finding: Out of 50 queries tracked for one client, ChatGPT cited them ZERO times. Not mentioned, not paraphrased, not included at all. The old SEO playbook won't cut it in the AI era. In this week's Marketing Speak episode, Duane reveals the 12 new KPIs you need to track for Answer Engine Optimization (AEO)—metrics like chunk retrieval frequency, semantic density score, and vector index presence rate. Many businesses struggling with traditional SEO fundamentals are getting demolished in AI search. But there's a roadmap forward. Duane shares his custom-built tool suite (launching soon) and free frameworks to help you navigate this Wild West landscape. Listen now to discover:  ✅ Why tracking millions of keywords is dead (and what to do instead)  ✅ How to create your own vector index proxy  ✅ The citation tracking framework that reveals your AI visibility  ✅ Free 90-day learning path for implementing AI in your workflow This isn't optional anymore. ChatGPT is on track to hit 1 billion daily users in half the time it took Google.  The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/537.

In a world where ChatGPT can write 50,000 words in 5 minutes, how do you create content that actually ranks and converts? In this week's Marketing Speak episode, I reveal my framework for the AI era—and it's not what you'd expect. Instead of fighting AI with more tactics, I advocate for plugging into "Universal Intelligence" for truly original insights, writing for the "linkerati" and not just your audience or search engines, creating curiosity gaps that make influencers unable to resist linking, and coordinating cross-channel campaigns that leverage social for SEO gains. I also explain why citation analysis—the origin of link-based algorithms—is becoming MORE crucial as Google's AI detects unnatural patterns across EVERYTHING, not just links, but correlation between on-page optimization and linking behavior. If your content isn't remarkable enough to be "worthy of remark," quantity is irrelevant. Gert Mellak joins me for this masterclass in intentional marketing strategy for empowered leaders who refuse to get lost in the AI noise. Tune in! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/536.

Is SEO dead in the age of AI? Not even close. Google's AI overviews are literally making up statistics, citing fake sources, and providing dangerous medical advice. People are actively searching "how to turn off AI overviews" because they can't trust the results. I had an incredible conversation with Samantha Riley on her podcast Influence By Design, where we broke down why SEO is more critical than ever. While Google Ads stop working the moment you stop paying, SEO builds an actual ASSET. An asset that appears on your balance sheet. An asset that generates traffic for months or years, even if you take time off. We covered:  ✅ The difference between "visitor authority" and "algorithmic authority."  ✅ Why your "Testimonials" page should be a "Results" page instead.  ✅ How to seed interviews to earn 5+ backlinks instead of just one. ✅ The trick questions to ask so you never get snookered by a bad SEO hire. If you're building on rented land (social media only), this episode is your wake-up call. Listen now!   The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/535.

🔬 What happens when you analyze leaked search engine source code and build an SEO tool from it? You discover the entire industry has been optimizing wrong for years. Ryan Jones (Head of SEO at Razorfish) joined me on Marketing Speak to share what he learned from the Yandex and Google leaks. The truth is uncomfortable: while SEOs count keywords and stack H2 tags, search engines are plotting documents in vector space using machine learning. Here's what actually matters in 2025:  📊 Complete topic relevance (not single keyword optimization)  🎯 Semantic similarity scores using cosine distance  🤖 BERT-extracted keywords from current top-rankers  📱 Intent matching using ML models (not keyword pattern matching)  🔗 Third-party consensus for knowledge panels  📄 Research papers that still accurately describe how AI search works Ryan built SERPrecon to measure content the way search engines actually measure it. The tool uses Yandex's exact-title-tag scoring logic. It applies Passage BERT to predict AI Overview citations. It extracts entities and keywords using the same open-source algorithms Google uses. Ryan reverse-engineers which phrases AI Overviews will cite based on Google's patent, then writes content incorporating those exact phrases. Result? He consistently "steals" citations from competitors. This isn't theoretical. This is production-level SEO based on actual source code. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/534.

What does a Rabbi know about selling jewelry online? Turns out, everything. Pinny Gniwisch made one of the most unusual career transitions: from leading a congregation to building ice.com into a $75M e-commerce success story. In our latest Marketing Speak episode, Pinny shares: Why influencer culture burns out (from someone who interviewed a 600K-follower influencer) How to use AI without losing your competitive edge (hint: your gut still matters more) The difference between traditional advertising and digital marketing (and why it matters) How Kabbalah principles apply to everyday business decisions This episode is packed with wisdom that bridges ancient spiritual principles with modern marketing metrics. Listen now! The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/533.

From family gig work to a national acquisition in 30 years. 🚀 Keith McMaster started helping his police officer dad serve legal papers as a side hustle. Three decades later, his company, Firefly Legal, was acquired as part of a major industry consolidation involving 6+ companies. When Keith volunteered to hot-seat his "old and dated" website during one of Jay Abraham's courses, he got brutally honest feedback. Instead of being defensive, he leaned in and completely transformed his digital presence. The results:  ✅ Website became a 24/7 automated marketing funnel  ✅ Went from invisible to top of search rankings in key markets  ✅ Scaled operations without proportional staff increases  ✅ Built a business so efficient and scalable that acquirers came knocking In this Marketing Speak case study episode, Keith and I break down the exact SEO strategy, content approach, and technical optimizations that transformed a family business into an acquisition target. Listen now to learn how to build your website into an automatic sales tool that works while you sleep! 🎧  The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/532.

Your company brand can be sold. Your personal brand can't. That's why I've been investing in StephanSpencer.com alongside my agency for decades—and it's paying dividends in the age of AI. In this week's Marketing Speak episode, my longtime collaborator Greg Merrilees of Studio1 Design walks through the complete evolution of my personal brand website—from a simple WordPress blog in 2004 to a comprehensive authority platform that attracts 9-figure clients. Greg reveals why your About page needs storytelling instead of just credentials, how to structure case studies that convert rather than just collect testimonials, the bridging page strategy for managing multiple brand properties, why every page needs one clear and relevant call-to-action, and how to customize social proof for maximum impact on each specific page. If you're being found online but not getting the caliber of clients you deserve, your personal brand website is likely the bottleneck. This episode is a masterclass in fixing that. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/531.

🚨 The AI hype cycle is colliding with reality—and most companies are quietly taking their "revolutionary" AI workflows offline. Mark Williams-Cook, founder of AlsoAsked and Director at Candour, just revealed what's really happening behind closed doors. In our latest Marketing Speak episode, Mark shares why:  ✅ Multi-site brand presence beats keyword rankings  ✅ Understanding base models matters more than tracking 2000 prompts  ✅ Technical SEO is more critical than ever (not less)  ✅ Browser wars are back—and they're about AI agents After 22 years in SEO—from agency director to affiliate marketer to SaaS founder—Mark has an unusually clear view of where we're actually heading. What's your experience with AI workflows? Working as promised or quietly shelved? The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/530.

"Link building is dead," they said. They were dead wrong. Dan Petrovic just explained why on Marketing Speak—and it's not what you think. Traditional link building? Evolving. Content seeding with brand associations? Essential. Digital PR for AI visibility? Critical. Here's why: Models need to be TRAINED on your brand associations. Even without backlinks, content seeding influences: Model training data Grounding citations Brand mention frequency Selection rate when models choose what to recommend Dan's been in SEO since before Google existed. His 2013 prediction that we'd "chat to Google by 2023"? Spot on. Now he's building tools (AI Rank, Tree Walker, semantic compression) that reveal:  ✓ Where models lack confidence in your brand  ✓ What competing brands do they associate with your entities  ✓ Which geographic/contextual biases are blocking visibility If you're a CMO, brand manager, or SEO professional and you're not thinking about how AI models perceive your brand, you're about to get disrupted. The show notes, including the transcript and checklist to this episode, are at marketingspeak.com/529.