Win-Backs Are Broken Because Everyone Treats Them Like One Thing
Most brands treat “win-back” like it’s one flow.
On this week’s show, Jimmy Kim and Chase Dimond argue that’s the exact reason win-backs underperform almost everywhere, because a win-back is actually two completely different problems wearing the same name.
They break down the two buckets every brand needs to separate: the lapsed customer (someone who already bought and proved their intent) and the lapsed prospect (someone who joined your list but never converted).
Treating them the same doesn’t just waste a message, it actively hurts both.
What we cover:
→ Why a lapsed customer deserves patience, not a panic discount
→ The ladder approach to winning back customers without training them to wait for a sale
→ Why a lapsed prospect’s intent has a shelf life, and why speed matters more than anything
→ Why being aggressive with a cold prospect is the right move, not a risky one
→ Why unengaged prospects need to be sunset, and how holding onto them hurts your deliverability for everyone else
→ How to measure the two buckets differently instead of judging them by the same metric
If your win-back flow is just a single “we miss you” email going out to everyone who’s gone quiet, this episode explains exactly why it’s not working the way you think it is.
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00:00 Show Intro
01:22 Two Winback Buckets
04:22 Why Customer Lapse Hurts
06:16 Reframe Patience vs Speed
08:35 Customer Winback Ladder
11:21 Timing by Purchase Cadence
12:52 Prospect Window and Decay
15:41 Prospect Sprint Playbook
17:47 List Hygiene and Deliverability
21:43 Stop Hoarding Subscribers
23:18 Implementation and Metrics
25:23 Wrap Up Key Takeaways
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