Toxicologist vs The internet (#12) with Dr. Joe Kennedy MD

In this episode of The Poison Lab, host Ryan Feldman is joined by Dr. Joe Kennedy, medical toxicologist at the University of Vermont and consultant for the Northern New England Poison Center. Together they work through real poisoning cases to sharpen toxic differentials, sum up practical resuscitation priorities, and connect first-principles pharmacology to bedside decisions. They also answer listener questions on THAM vs bicarbonate, when to dialyze even with “normal” kidneys, and why rattlesnake antivenom costs so much—plus the real-world logistics of sourcing exotic antivenoms in the U.S.Dr. Kennedy and Ryan discuss the topics below. Looking for timestamps? Join the subscribed feed!Case set #1: Shock with hyperglycemia, big pupils, and probably NOT what you think it is. Case set #2: Massive bleeding after gas-station “herbal” productsCase set #3: Refractory wide-complex rhythms in a teen overdoseCase set #4: Sudden collapse at a hog farm- (SPOLIER) Recent outbreak of deaths as related to case 4Want the cases summarized and sent to you so you can come up with your differential before the show? SIGN UP FOR THE NEWS LETTER! Listener Q&amp;ATHAM vs bicarbonate (closed vs open buffering; “breathe for bicarb, tinkle for THAM”)Why dialyze if the kidneys work? (EXTRIP-style thinking, gradients, and properties)Snake antivenom pricing &amp; how zoos help hospitals obtain non-U.S. antivenomsCall outs from the showNACCT Abstracts!Clover coagulopathy!THAM VS BICARB ElectrolytesPotato quality video of dialysis from RyanArticle on snake antivenom costing &gt;200,000 for one patientArticle on exotic antivenom procurementCase report Ryan published on treating blue Indonesian pit viperSupport the showReview the show where ever your listeningGet Messages from Toxo (Join the Newsletter!)Join as a supporting memberAd free episodesBonus content and early accessDiscounts and give aways on GOTA PICCEM Mushroom card gameThe GOTTA PICCEM Poisonous Mushroom Game! Tox trinkets (Rep the show at home!)Reach the showEmail: [email protected] Show ResourcesRyan's Medical Games and Resources<a href="https://www.thepoisonlab.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

GOTTA PICCEM: The Poisonous Mushroom Card Game👉 Order now right here OR go to www.gottapiccem.com and click "Buy GOTTA PICCEM"Why this is awesomeWhat started as a nerdy teaching tool made to teach mushroom poisoning by folks who treat mushroom poisoning is now a full-fledged card game—equally great for Friday game night and the classroom.What’s inside the deck58 Poisonous Mushroom CardsFull-color pictures, toxin info, clinical syndromes, key anatomy, U.S. + global distribution, and spore print colors.88 Play Cards + 30 Bonus CardsCollect mushrooms, play antidotes and modifiers, stack combos, and score big.Toxin-Based ScoringPoint systems reflect real-world toxicity—every round plays differently based on your hand and bonus cards.Endless ReplayabilityRule variants at gottapiccem.com keep things fresh.Learn while you playDive into the companion blog at www.gottapiccem.com for:Deep-dive toxin explainers for each mushroomCase reports &amp; real-world clinical notesControversies and mysteries in mushroom poisoning📖 Start here: gottapiccem.com (Companion Blog → “Learn the Mushrooms”)How to get it👉 Order now right here OR go to www.gottapiccem.com and click "Buy GOTTA PICCEM"Multiple box options (pick your fancy)Ships direct from our manufacturer in South Korea🌍 Global availability (shipping costs + tariffs may apply)P.S. We’re exploring U.S. manufacturing to lower costs and expand distribution—timeline TBD—so we made the game available now.Join the funIf you grab a copy:📸 Snap a photo of your first round✉️ Send it to [email protected] or tag @LabPoison / @tox_talkNothing would make Ryan happier than seeing the community play!

Listen here (https://www.wpr.org/shows/larry-meiller-show) to hear Ryan Live on AIR for the Larry Meiller show, Thursday July 17th 11:45AM-12:30 PM CST. Check this "Listen Live" link if your having trouble!

Support the showReview the show where ever your listeningGet Messages from Toxo (Join the Newsletter!)Join as a supporting memberAd free episodesBonus content and early accessDiscounts and give aways on GOTA PICCEM Mushroom card gameThe GOTTA PICCEM Poisonous Mushroom Game! Tox trinkets (Rep the show at home!)Reach the showEmail: [email protected] Show ResourcesRyan's Medical Games and ResourcesShow Website The Poison Lab: Outbreak – Markham Aconite PoisoningOn August 29, 2022, twelve diners at a Markham, Ontario restaurant fell critically ill with vomiting, numbness, and life-threatening arrhythmias. The culprit? A deadly plant toxin: aconite.In this episode—the first of a new Poison Lab Outbreak series—we go inside the Markham mass poisoning case. Join host Ryan Feldman, clinical toxicologist and emergency medicine pharmacist, as he investigates how a rare and lethal toxin ended up in a restaurant spice jar and nearly cost lives.You’ll hear firsthand from the experts who responded to the outbreak:Dr. Jessica Kent, toxicology fellow at the time at the University of TorontoDr. Abinhay Sathya, intensivist at Markham Stouffville HospitalDr. Margaret Thompson, toxicologist and on-call consultant for the Ontario Poison CentreDr. Randy Purves, research scientist at the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA)Bryn Shurmer, MS- analytical chemist at the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA)&nbsp;Together, they walk us through the outbreak timeline—from the first patients in VT to the public health investigation that uncovered a mislabeled spice bag full of pure aconite root.Looking for timestamps?A fully timestamped version of the episode—so you can jump to any topic—is available to our supporting members.💡 Key topics:Clinical presentation and toxic effects of aconiteChallenges in mass poisoning recognition and coordinationThe crucial role of poison centers in outbreak responsePublic health trace-back to contaminated galangal powderLessons for emergency departments and toxicologists📍 Resources &amp; Mentions:Case series about the incident written by Dr. Kent, Sathya, and ThompsonTwitter/X post by Dr. David Juurlink that helped disseminate early infoThe Poison Lab previous aconite episode: Open and shut (Mystery Case #31)Paper written by Ryan, Dan McCabe, and Crissy Lawson🎧 Listen now at: <a href="http://www.thepoisonlab.com/"...

In this episode of The Poison Lab, host Ryan Feldman is joined by Dr. Amy Zosel, a medical toxicologist, emergency physician, and educator. Together, they use real poisoning cases to practice identifying toxins and flexing their toxic differential The conversation dives into intriguing and challenging toxicology cases, with a focus on educating listeners about real-world poisoning scenarios, myth-busting internet misinformation, and providing practical clinical insights. Mini episode with Dr. Robert Bassett on Remembering Poisonous Mushrooms Dr. Zosel and Ryan discuss:14:15 Case 1 33:04 Case 2News story37:00 Case 3 New story48:00 Case 4 News storyUS outbreak "Robocough"Study about Naloxone in Clonidine overdose++Spoiler++: Below this will be key takeaways regarding managing the poisonings discussed, it may ruin your experience if you are guessing the poisons Key Takeaways:Amatoxin Mushroom Poisoning: The classic delayed onset of severe GI symptoms, followed by a latent phase, can mask progressive liver damage. Early recognition and treatment with hydration, silibinin, and possible liver transplant are critical.Tetramine Toxicity: Known for causing refractory seizures, tetramine is a rare but serious poisoning often requiring aggressive supportive care and anticonvulsants.A Lethal mushroom hiding in edible mushrooms Mushroom foraging dangerResources Mentioned:National Poison Control Hotline: 1-800-222-1222National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-8255SAMHSA Free Helpline: 1-800-662-HELP (4357)Follow The Poison Lab:Twitter: @LabPoisonInstagram: @tox_talkWebsite: www.ThePoisonLab.comSubscribe and Review:Love what you're hearing? Help us reach more toxicology enthusiasts by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Don’t forget to share this episode with...

Support the showReview the show where ever your listeningGet Messages from Toxo (Join the Newsletter!)Join as a supporting memberAd free episodesBonus content and early accessDiscounts and give aways on GOTA PICCEM Mushroom card gameThe GOTTA PICCEM Poisonous Mushroom Game! Tox trinkets (Rep the show at home!)Reach the showEmail: [email protected] Show ResourcesRyan's Medical Games and ResourcesShow Website If you are looking for links to Dr. Basset's initiatives check back later, they are not fully launched yet!Check it out on Dr. Hamilton's website as well Poison Mushrooms! Got’a Pic’em (GOTAAPPICEM) A mnemonic device to sort through mushroom ingestions – The Hot Stove League of EM/ToxThe GOTAA PPICCEM MnemonicLate-Onset (Severe) Toxic Mushrooms ("GOTA")These mushrooms have delayed symptoms (&gt;6 hours) and are associated with significant toxicity:G – Gyromitrin (Gyromitra esculenta) – False morels; inhibits GABA, leading to seizures.O – Orellanine (Cortinarius spp.) – Causes renal failure; famously poisoned The Horse Whisperer author.T – Tricholoma equestre (Man on Horseback) – Leads to rhabdomyolysis.A – Amatoxin (Amanita phalloides, Galerina spp.) – Causes liver failure; the most lethal mushroom toxicity.&nbsp;Early Onset Nausea, Late Toxicity Mushrooms ("A²P²")A² – Allenic norleucine (Amanita smithiana) – Found in the Pacific Northwest; early GI symptoms followed by renal failure.These may present early but still cause significant toxicity.P² – Paxillus spp. – Can cause hemolytic anemia and multi-organ injury.&nbsp;Early-Onset Nausea Mushrooms ("PICCEM")P– Psilocybin (Psilocybe spp.) – Hallucinogenic, similar to LSD, typically low toxicity but may cause hyperthermia or seizures.Symptoms appear within 6 hours and are usually self-limited.I – Ibotenic Acid &amp; Muscimol (Amanita muscaria, Amanita pantherina) – Acts like a “mushroom speedball”, causing both stimulant and sedative effects.C – Coprine (Coprinus spp., Inky Caps) – Induces disulfiram-like reaction with alcohol.E – &nbsp;Emetic Mushrooms (LBMs: Little Brown Mushrooms) – Various species that cause self-limited vomiting and diarrhea.M – Muscarine (Clitocybe, Inocybe spp.) – Cholinergic...

In this special collaboration with NephMadness, we're diving into the world of nephrotoxins with an expert panel from Virginia Commonwealth University. NephMadness is an educational competition modeled after March Madness, and this year, one of the featured regions focuses on plant-based nephrotoxins. Together, with our expert panel we break down the competing nephrotoxin teams: Tubular Toxins vs. Oxalate Offenders. Joining us are Dr. Anna Vinnokova (Nephrologist), Dr. Rachel Khan PharmD (Neph pharmacist), Dr. Ethan Downes (Nephrology fellow), and the legendary nephrotoxicologist, Dr. Josh King (Board certified Nephrologist and Toxicologist). We ALMOST named this episode "Getting Downe with the Mad Neph King and the Bean Queens"... but we didn't, your welcome. After the show, go to the blog and vote for your favorite!Expect irreverent musings, deep dives into toxic plant exposures, and a mystery case reveal that will leave you questioning your diet.Topics and Timeline of Episode:IntroListener Guesses With Josh and Ryan– 8:30Listener Winner – 25:42NephMadness and Guest Introductions – 28:07Toxin Reveal – 33:41NEJM Case reportTubular Toxins – 35:46Aristolochic Acid &amp; the Belgian Weight-Loss Clinic Outbreak – 40:30Black Licorice &amp; Its Surprising Toxic Effects – 47:16The Oxalate Offenders Team: How Dietary Oxalates Harm the Kidneys – 52:00Historical Context: First recognized through sheep die-offs when herds grazed on Halogeton glomeratus, a high-oxalate plant, leading to fatal poisoning.Oxalate in Plants: Functions to bind excess calcium in the soil.Impact on the Body: Plants high in oxalate but low in calcium can contribute to oxalate accumulation, this leads to binding calcium in the blood, creating calcium oxalate crystals and acute renal calculi. Chronic inflammation from excess oxalate deposition leads to CKD progression.High-Oxalate Foods: Spinach, Swiss chard, rhubarb, cashews. Everything in moderation!Practical Advice for Clinicians &amp; Patients on Herbal Medicine Use – 1:00:00Resources for identifying nephrotoxic herbal productsTalk to your patients non judgmentally, open conversations, discuss efficacy (or lack there of, see resources below) and safetyHerbal medicines are not FDA approved and may not contain what they claim toHerbals may not all be safe: Josh King Discovering Contaminants– 1:01:11Wrap up– 1:08Key Takeaways:Aristolochic acid is a direct nephrotoxin, associated with progressive kidney damage and urothelial cancers.Black licorice toxicity results from...

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Finally, the journal club to rule ALL journal clubs. In this episode of The Poison Lab, we tackle one of the biggest topics in emergency medicine and toxicology: Should naloxone be given during opioid-associated cardiac arrest? With three fantastic studies published in 2024, we’re diving into the data and hearing directly from the authors themselves.Join host Ryan Feldman as he interviews Dr. Eric Quinn, Dr. Joshua Lupton, and Dr. David Dillon, some of the minds behind the latest research exploring the role of naloxone in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest (OHCA). With perspectives ranging from clinical outcomes to practical implementation, this episode offers a deep dive into what these studies tell us—and what remains unanswered.But that’s not all! Featuring special guests Spencer Oliver and Chris Pfingston from EMS 2020, this roundtable discussion incorporates the real-world insights of prehospital EMS professionals who face these decisions every day. Together, the panel unpacks:Conflicting evidence on naloxone’s impact on ROSC and survival.The challenges of interpreting retrospective studies in a high-stakes setting.Ethical dilemmas surrounding randomized trials for naloxone.Practical considerations for paramedics and emergency physicians in the field.Whether you’re a toxicologist, EMS professional, or just curious about the intersection of drugs, overdose, and resuscitation, this episode is packed with actionable insights, expert opinions, and engaging discussions.Tune in now to explore the science, controversy, and future directions for naloxone in cardiac arrest care!Studies discussed in the showOutcomes of Out-of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest Patients Who Receive Naloxone in an EMS System with a High Prevalence of Opioid Overdose – Dr. Eric Quinn.Association of Early Naloxone Use with Outcomes in Nonshockable Out-of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest – Dr. Joshua Lupton.Naloxone and Patient Outcomes in Out-of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest in Northern California – Dr. David Dillon.Studies and guidelines mentioned Editorial by Dr. Lavonas on Dr. Lupton's study AHA 2023 Guidelines for poisoning cardiac arrestAHA 2021 Position statement on opioid overdose out of hospital cardiac arrest Study of opioid overdose death after bystander naloxone training mentioned by ToxoShows mentionedChris and Spencer's excellent EMS showRyan's Interview on Poisoning Cardiac Arrest Guidelines with Dr. Eric LavonasJournal club with Ryan and Dr. Dillon Timestamps and chaptersIntroduction (0:00–12:25)Podcast

In this special holiday bonus episode, Ryan takes a look back at some of the most captivating episodes of The Poison Lab from 2022. Get ready for an ultimate test of your toxicology differential diagnosis skills as we compile all the "Stump the Toxicologist" segments into one streamlined, binge-worthy episode. Explore eight unique poisoning cases, be sure to check the show notes for a description of each case. time stamp of where it begins, and links to the original episodes, where you can dive deeper into the discussions and unravel the mysteries behind these intriguing cases! Case Teasers and Time StampsEpisode 13, March 2nd, 2022: Dr. Howard Greller0:06:19 Case 1: A 19-year-old male collapses at home and presents to the ED unresponsive, tachycardic, and hypotensive, with a wide QRS complex on EKG and a serum lactate of 20. 0:22:58 Case 2: A 16-year-old female presents to the ED 9 hours after ingesting 100 tablets of an unknown medication in a suicide attempt. She presents with vomiting, lethargy, bloody diarrhea, and a metabolic acidosis. An abdominal x-ray shows numerous radiopaque tablets in her GI tract. She is treated with a redacted antidote and whole bowel irrigation, but her condition worsens and she develops liver failure. She is transferred to a tertiary care center for a liver transplant, but recovers. On day 12, she develops a lower GI bleed and bowel perforation and dies. 0:34:42 Case 3: A seven-month-old child presents with crying, cough, vomiting, and respiratory distress. 0:37:42 Case 4: A 32-year-old male with a history of alcohol use and depression presents to the ED seven hours after ingesting two handfuls of an unknown medication and alcohol in a suicide attempt. He is initially anxious and tremulous, but has normal vital signs and labs, aside from an elevated ethanol level. He has a seizure nine hours after ingestion. His EKG shows a widened QRS, and he becomes hypotensive. He is intubated, placed on vasopressors, and undergoes extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) and targeted temperature management (TTM), but dies three days later. Episode 15, July 6th, 2022: Dr. Josh Trebach0:46:11 Case 1: Two British medical students present to the ED after developing nausea, vomiting, paresthesias, myalgias, pruritus, and cold allodynia 12 hours after sharing a meal. Their neurological symptoms persisted for 4 weeks and the cold allodynia for 10 weeks.0:54:18 - 1:05:23 Case 2: A 16-year-old female presents to the ED unresponsive and cyanotic after intentionally ingesting a substance purchased online. Her oxygen saturation is in the 70s and a methemoglobin level is greater than 30%. 1:05:25 - 1:10:18 Case 3: A 48-year-old female, and co-author of the published case report, presents to the ED 10 minutes after eating a “peppery” tuna steak. She is tachycardic, hypotensive, flushed, and has conjunctival erythema. She also experiences abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, and chest pain. Her EKG shows tachycardia with ST depression. She requires phenylephrine to maintain her blood pressure. She is treated with famotidine and discharged from the hospital 43 hours later. 1:10:20 – 1:13:16 Case 4: A 63-year-old female presents to the ED 12 hours after ingesting five capsules of a weight loss product. She is bradycardic and has nausea, vomiting, and hyperkalemia.Episode 17, November 9th, 2022: Dr. Emily Kieran1:16:35 Case 1: A 34-year-old female presents to a clinic in West Bengal, India, with a three-year history of skin changes. She has hypo-pigmented macules on a background of hyperpigmentation, creating a “raindrop” like appearance on her...