Embracing Our Spiritual Journey: Insights on Morning Rituals and Self-Discovery - Part II

In this episode, Lisa offers a deep dive into intuitive living and the practice of self-compassion. Beginning with intuitive living as an everyday spiritual practice, Lisa explores how learning to recognize and trust intuitive “hits” naturally extends into intuitive eating as a form of soul-level guidance, not just hunger management. At the heart of this practice is the balance of tender and fierce self-compassion. By distinguishing healthy guilt from paralyzing shame, Lisa shows how we can accept ourselves unconditionally without excusing behaviors that no longer serve us. The result is a grounded, integrated approach of equal parts “do no harm” and “take no shit” designed to foster deep healing, embodied self-trust, and lasting transformation.Topics Include:Mind-Body-Soul ConnectionFierce Self-CompassionOvercoming GuiltLasting Behavior Changes[1:07] Lisa begins by setting an intention to slow down and provide more detailed, nuanced content, recognizing the importance of the topics. She frames the episode as an ongoing conversation, with each new episode building upon the last.[05:37] Lisa clarifies that intuitive living isn't just for major life decisions but is found in mundane, everyday moments. She shares her realization that life itself is a spiritual experience if one remains open and connected. Lisa introduces the "clair senses" (e.g., clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience) to explain the different ways people receive this information. Lisa identifies her primary mode as "claircognizance", a clear knowing. She shares personal examples that highlight the importance of honoring intuition even when it conflicts with personal desires.[18:09] Lisa introduces a model of the self consisting of the conscious adult, the inner child, and the Higher Self. When the Higher Self provides guidance that the conscious self resists, it creates an opportunity to practice self-compassion, similar to a parent lovingly managing a child's resistance.[23:55] Lisa recaps the practice of tender self-compassion which involves three steps: being mindful of one's pain, remembering shared humanity, and practicing kindness towards oneself. Lisa explains that tender self-compassion is about being present with the discomfort without judgment, which alleviates the second wound and allows for healing. It is a prerequisite for changing behavior.[43:17] Lisa explains the difference between tender and fierce self-compassion and that authentic living requires embracing both energies. Lisa discusses the difference between guilt (about a behavior) and shame (about oneself) when reflecting on actions. Lisa examines the need to hold yourself accountable and feel shame then looks at the proper response of meeting that painful emotion with tender self-compassion. She encourages listeners to visit her website for her virtual workshops on tender and fierce self-compassion. [1:31:00] Lisa explains that an integrated model balances "Do no harm" (tenderness) and "Take no shit" (fierceness); and that true wholeness comes from embodying both energies to achieve both inner healing and effective outer change.  *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this series opener, Lisa shares a pivotal shift in her work and identity—from offering high-level insights to teaching the deeper foundations behind why her approach creates lasting change. Drawing from her doctoral studies and lived experience, Lisa introduces this new series that explores self-compassion (both tender and fierce), discipline through doing less, intentional weight loss, intuitive living, and spiritual intelligence. Lisa weaves her personal journey from depression and hopelessness to resilience, energy, and gratitude, while reframing diet culture as a disconnection from the mind-body-soul relationship that fuels self-neglect and struggle. This episode lays the foundation for understanding intuitive eating as a byproduct of intuitive living and self-trust as the key to sustainable transformation.Topics Include:Intuitive LivingEmotional Resilience Self-CompassionReparenting[0:32] Lisa announces that the podcast will now be released weekly on Mondays instead of every other week, driven by inspiration and positive listener feedback. She explains that future episodes will expand on topics like discipline, self-compassion, intentional weight loss, and psychic abilities.[05:31] Lisa reflects on a past period of deep depression, contrasting it with her current state of energy and happiness. - She now experiences a genuine gratitude for life that she previously couldn't connect with, offering hope to listeners who may be struggling. [10:11] Lisa talks about how the most harmful impact of diet culture is not just its effect on our relationship with food, but the severing of the connection between mind, body, and soul. Lisa talks about how diet culture teaches people to ignore their body's signals, leading to a habitual disconnection from the self. She discusses that it conditions individuals to see themselves merely as a physical body, ignoring their spiritual dimension. Lisa explains that true healing requires reconnecting the mind and body to allow the soul's intuition to emerge and intuitive eating is a result of intuitive living.[32:39] Lisa theorizes that people who use food to cope are often highly empathic and energetically sensitive. She talks about how food serves as a numbing agent for overwhelming internal and external energy. Lisa shares her personal experience of feeling naked and extremely vulnerable after losing 150 pounds. She describes a visceral feeling of self-trust and the ability to protect oneself energetically, which made her realize she no longer needed excess body weight as a shield.[45:40] Lisa reframes intentional weight loss as a spiritual journey and how the commitment to this process builds self-trust. She identifies self-compassion as the secret sauce for her newfound sense of safety and strength. Lisa discusses the three step self-compassion practice as explained by Kristen Neff: mindfulness, shared humanity, and kindness. She encourages listeners to visit her website for resources as well as the Out of the Cave website for meditations. [1:00:46] Lisa explains that the purpose is not to eliminate pain but to sit with it without making it worse through self-criticism. Lisa offers an optional homework assignment of practicing the three steps on a minor issue that is a 3 or 4 out of 10 on an emotional discomfort scale. [1:25:19] Lisa closes this episode by explaining that if this resonated with anyone, they can contact her to explore working together one-on-one with her. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this second series episode, Lisa continues to discuss her personal transformation, attributing her positive state to a consistent spiritual practice, including meditation and mindful exercise. She explores the importance of connecting with one's "higher self" to overcome social pressures and make authentic life choices. She addresses listeners who feel they lack time for self-care due to demanding schedules, urging them to audit their time and start with small, consistent steps. Lisa also announces a virtual mini-retreat and a significant shift in her business model.Topics Include:Self CareTime ManagementSpirituality Personal Growth[0:32] Lisa has an exciting announcement, especially for those who have never worked with her before, at the end of the episode. Lisa also announces that she is hosting a virtual mini-retreat, Befriending Your Body, on Wednesday, December 10,2026, at 6:00 p.m. for two hours for $10. She explains the format will be examining and re-writing foundational belief systems about the body that shape thoughts, feelings, and behaviors related to food and body; cultivating harmony, peace, and cooperation with the body.[05:07] Lisa jumps into the second half of this series by explaining that she attributes her current positive state to her "non-negotiable, unfuckwithable" meditation practice. She explains that connecting with her "higher self" through meditation helps her disregard others' opinions and makes the social context of life feel less threatening. Lisa introduces a quote: "Health is a state of complete harmony of the body, mind, and spirit. When one is free from physical disabilities and mental distractions, the gates of the soul open." Lisa discusses how any exercise can become a mind-body practice if one intentionally connects the mind to the body and views exercise as a spiritual experience that opens the soul, noting her best ideas and epiphanies come during these moments of connection.[19:40] Lisa addresses listeners with kids and 9-to-5 jobs who feel they lack time for morning rituals, acknowledging her own privilege in creating a lifestyle with more free time. She shares an example of a friend with a full-time job and two kids who wakes up at 4 or 5 a.m. for her own sacred ritual. Lisa urges everyone to conduct an "honest inventory" of their time, questioning hours spent on passive activities like scrolling or watching TV. She stresses that a good morning starts the night before and that the key is to start with small "baby steps," like five minutes of meditation. Lisa emphasizes a commitment to self-care, which creates internal feelings of safety, worthiness, and acceptance.[29:25] Lisa discusses how by focusing on the mind-body connection, one can enter a "flow state" where the "higher self" receives guidance and clarity, unconcerned with external opinions. Lisa notes that clients who heal their relationship with food often develop stronger intuition, which is a natural result of reconnecting the mind and body and returning to one's "factory settings" of instinct and intuition.[41:40] Lisa wraps up the episode by announcing the upcoming changes to the Out of the Cave business model. She explains that the group coaching program is being discontinued to make space for a new one-on-one coaching offering. This change is driven by her desire to provide more individualized support for what is fundamentally a deep, spiritual healing journey. Lisa also teases that the next retreat at the Omega Institute will be offered in July 2026 with details to come later. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In the first episode of this series, Lisa shares her journey from skepticism to a deep spiritual awakening that transformed every part of her life. Rooted in childhood trauma and years of using food for comfort, Lisa’s story unfolds into one of healing, discipline, and self-trust; culminating in a five-hour morning ritual fueled not by obligation, but genuine inspiration. She bridges science and spirituality to explore what it means to be “a spiritual being made of energy,” weaving in lessons from meditation retreats, loss, and her evolution as a coach. Topics Include:Spiritual Transformation and HealingTrauma, Loss, and Emotional CopingIntegration of Masculine and Feminine Energy Practical Pathways to Transformation[0:32] Lisa introduces this new episode as the first installment of a multi-part series. She explains that the topic grew too large for a single episode, leading to a series that could extend to four, five, six, or more parts. [04:29] Lisa describes her current state as "phenomenal," attributing it to a new, extensive morning routine and a profound spiritual awakening. This transformation was not sudden but the culmination of a lifelong journey of healing and personal development, which began with her birth in 1993. Lisa discusses significant personal traumas like how the death of her younger sister when she was five caused her to disconnect from spirituality, which was a deeper layer to her using food to cope. Lisa’s spiritual awakening began in 2016 during a guided meditation where she connected with her "higher self" and had a profound realization that her past struggles with weight were a form of self-protection. Lisa talks about how father's death in 2018 and receiving a message from him through Caroline Lee Dewey accelerated her spiritual development, marking a clear "before and after" in her life. [33:54] Lisa discusses how her move from New York to California helped her to begin the balance of her masculine and feminine energies and become more spiritual. Lisa explains how her journey to become a yoga instructor helped on this journey to connect the two and how this journey has helped her in her move back to New York where she learned through her ancestry work is part of her heritage.[1:01:39] Lisa talks about how her epic morning ritual can last up to six hours. A cornerstone of this routine is meditation, which she describes as a non-negotiable practice for rewiring the brain. Lisa acknowledges that the initial experience can be extremely uncomfortable and emphasizes that consistent practice transformed it into a deeply grounding and essential experience. Lisa describes that the transformation went from intolerable to a cherished practice after months of daily effort. She advises that integrating such practices into a busy life is possible through intentional time management, such as waking up earlier and reducing time on distractions, starting with small, manageable steps. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠Embracing Our Spiritual Journey: Insights on Morning Rituals and Self-Discovery

In the first episode of this series, Lisa shares her journey from skepticism to a deep spiritual awakening that transformed every part of her life. Rooted in childhood trauma and years of using food for comfort, Lisa’s story unfolds into one of healing, discipline, and self-trust; culminating in a morning ritual fueled not by obligation, but genuine inspiration. She bridges science and spirituality to explore what it means to be “a spiritual being made of energy,” weaving in lessons from meditation retreats, loss, and her evolution as a coach. Topics Include:Spiritual Transformation and HealingTrauma, Loss, and Emotional CopingIntegration of Masculine and Feminine Energy Practical Pathways to Transformation[0:32] Lisa introduces this new episode as the first installment of a multi-part series. She explains that the topic grew too large for a single episode, leading to a series that could extend to four, five, six, or more parts. [04:29] Lisa describes her current state as "phenomenal," attributing it to a new, extensive morning routine and a profound spiritual awakening. Lisa discusses significant personal traumas like how the death of her younger sister when she was five caused her to disconnect from spirituality, which was a deeper layer to her using food to cope. Lisa’s spiritual awakening began in 2016 during a guided meditation where she connected with her "higher self" and had a profound realization that her past struggles with weight were a form of self-protection. Lisa talks about how father's death in 2018 and receiving a message from him through Caroline Lee Dewey accelerated her spiritual development, marking a clear "before and after" in her life. [1:01:39] Lisa talks about how the cornerstone of her morning ritual is meditation, which she describes as a non-negotiable practice for rewiring the brain. Lisa acknowledges that the initial experience can be extremely uncomfortable and emphasizes that consistent practice transformed it into a deeply grounding and essential experience. Lisa describes that the transformation went from intolerable to a cherished practice after months of daily effort. She advises that integrating such practices into a busy life is possible through intentional time management, such as waking up earlier and reducing time on distractions, starting with small, manageable steps. [1:10:51] Lisa explains how being a spiritual being having a physical experience with an animal brain in a social context, surviving on food is the foundation of it all. Lisa discusses how connecting with your higher self provides a superpower of inner guidance, making one less affected by others' opinions. She explains that a deep spiritual connection can lead to the body naturally rejecting inauthentic things, such as social media, artificial nails, and hair color. She frames her recent 40-pound weight loss as a spiritual journey of rebuilding self-trust by setting and achieving small goals. T[1:30:50] Lisa discusses the upcoming changes to the Out of the Cave business model. Lisa explains that the group coaching program is being discontinued to make space for a new one-on-one coaching offering. This change is driven by Lisa’s desire to provide more individualized support for what is fundamentally a deep, spiritual healing journey. Lisa also teases that the next retreat at the Omega Institute will be offered in July 2026 with details to come later. Lisa wraps up this episode by encouraging listeners to reach out with questions about anything on these topics.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this episode, Lisa sits down with Offie, an alum of the Out of the Cave (OOTC) group coaching program, to explore her powerful, trauma-informed journey of healing. As the conversation unfolds, Lisa and Offie reflect on her adolescence marked by shame, peer pressure, and disconnection — and how sobriety in her twenties transformed coping into control. Through the challenges of marriage, secrecy, and self-judgment, Offie’s path eventually led her to the Out of the Cave podcast — and then into the coaching program, where she began to understand her patterns through the lens of trauma, brain science, and compassion. Topics Include:Childhood LonelinessCoping MechanismsSelf-Compassion and Reparenting Trauma-Informed Recovery[3:09] Lisa introduces her former client, Offie, an artist with food, who decorates cakes and cookies, a hobby farmer who  has a couple of horses, chickens, dogs, cats, and a donkey. [06:24] Lisa and Offie discuss how her childhood was shaped by her father’s alcoholism, illness (cirrhosis), and death shortly after she turned 8. Offie talks about her experiences of frequent loneliness, being left alone, and household stress amid limited resources. Office shares how she dissociated emotionally following her father’s death and began using sugar and food for comfort, gaining weight around ages 10–11.[20:20] Offie shares with Lisa how working through modules 3–4 of the ACE during the group program brought up  memories of multiple abandonment-like episodes forward, linking trauma to food coping. Offie recounts multiple abandonment-like episodes: alone under her father’s care, babysitting far from town while adults stayed out after bars closed, and her mother going out while her sister isolated in her bedroom.[26:47] Offie talks with Lisa about becoming promiscuous and how she was sexually victimized by a teacher, how she carried candy to gain popularity, and struggled with romantic acceptance due to body image, expanding her coping mechanisms from food to sexual behaviors while her dissociation persisted. [36:48] Lisa and Offie discuss how she believed she was “just like her dad,” rationalizing cheating, heavy blackout drinking, and academic avoidance due to low self-esteem and fear. Offie shares with Lisa how traumatic events affecting someone close to her, led her to seek treatment. Sobriety shifted coping to control—restrictive eating, intense exercise, quitting smoking, and career/education gains—while her core wounds remained.[44:12] Lisa and Offie talk about how in an unhappy marriage, she resumed having affairs, began binge eating, alternated starving/eating, and used horse riding as a distraction and that she dissociated to avoid sadness and fear. Offie shares how therapy facilitated insight and separation from an unhealthy marriage and how her new romantic partnership enhanced her satisfaction and stability.[1:01:35] Offie shares with Lisa that on a road trip to visit her ill sister led to discovering the OOTC podcast and resonating with safety themes and familial alcoholism, prompting her participation in the mirror challenge and finally the group coaching program.[1:05:25] Offie shares that during the group she learned brain science, reframed narratives , and developed regulation tools. Lisa and Offie discuss how the group program differs by addressing the whole person, providing a safe group environment, reparenting practices, and boundaries. They wrap up the episode with Offie dedicating the episode to her sister, Ruth, who passed away last year.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this episode, Lisa and group coaching alum, Diane, explore her  journey from religiously shaped body image and emotional eating to trauma-informed healing. They discuss the cycles of restriction and shame, leaving a rigid church, identity reframing, somatic practices, mindful eating, acceptance, and setting boundaries. Through the coaching program, Diane learned reconnection, safety, empowerment over control, and differentiating physical vs. emotional hunger, leading to sustainable behavior change and autonomy.Topics Include:Religious UpbringingDiet CultureEmotional Healing Healthy Relationship with Food[0:56] Lisa introduces her former client, Diane, who identifies as a mother of four daughters, separated for over two years after a 28-year marriage, employed full-time, and at peace with current life circumstances. Diane discusses discovering Lisa via Instagram and the podcast and realizing she was missing the mind-body connection, and realizing she was an emotional eater.[07:00] Lisa and Diane dive into her childhood in a legalistic church and school with strict gender roles and dress codes. Diane shares that although she was sheltered from mainstream media, she still received strong body-related messaging within family and church contexts. Diane talks about how she internalized that body size relates to being ‘good enough’ and ‘put together,’ affecting perceived worth.[13:47] Diane shares with Lisa that she was molested as a child and that she realized later in life, after going to therapy,  that being called to the dining room for dinner felt safe, linking food/mealtimes with safety. Lisa acknowledges the magnitude of this trauma and its under-discussed influence on emotional eating.[18:30] Diane explains that her faith emphasized doing for others and suppressing personal feelings, leaving her without a safe space to express emotions. Lisa validates that lack of safety often leads people to use food for comfort and safety. Diane discusses joining Weight Watchers, counting points, and walking with her mom at the age of 15. Diane shares that despite not being morbidly overweight, she perceived herself as heavier and felt compelled to diet.[30:50] Lisa and Diane discuss how the unfair treatment after the hospital birth of her fourth child, led her to begin questioning her upbringing and church practices. Diane shares how during a family trip to the mountains, she knew she could not return or send children back to church school. Lisa and Diane examine how other diet programs can provide useful nutrition literacy but often entrench perfectionism and good/bad food dichotomies.[51:39] Lisa and Diane discuss her journey to the Out of the Cave group coaching program and how an early module helped Diane reframe her thinking to ‘I am a soul, I have a body,’ catalyzing significant perspective change and reconnection. They discuss how this reframing identity fosters self-compassion and opens a path to address emotional roots of eating.[1:12:43] Lisa and Diane talk about the lessons she learned during the group coaching program that have helped her learn to cope with her feelings and make different decisions in learning to feel her feelings and choosing herself. Lisa and Diane wrap up the episode by discussing how the program’s permission-based eating avoids shame and restriction, fostering empowered choices aligned with bodily signals.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

This episode features a conversation between Lisa and Jenny, a former OOTC client, about her long-term journey of healing her relationship with food and her body. Together, Lisa and Jenny cover the integration of mind-body practices, shifting from outcome-based goals to behavior-focused intentions, and the importance of self-compassion. They explore finding a balanced, individual approach to health and fitness, moving beyond the extremes of diet and anti-diet cultures, and building self-trust through compassionate action.Topics Include:Healing and Self-CompassionPersonal GrowthDiet and Anti-Diet Culture[1:06] Lisa introduces her former client, Jenny, who has returned to the podcast to discuss an email from Jenny describing her progress years after a coaching program. She reported no longer stressing about food, focusing on nutrition, enjoying social eating, improved sleep, and effortless weight loss by internalizing the program's principles over time. [07:27] Jenny aims to share what daily life looks like after these principles are integrated, offering a tangible perspective for listeners who are currently on their own journey and may be questioning the process. Jenny talks about how her journey started around 2021-2022, prompted by feeling disconnected from her body post-pandemic. Jenny shares that the first step was a small, consistent change: a daily dog walk and how this was a conscious decision to listen to her body rather than reverting to unsustainable diet and exercise regimes.[13:20] Lisa and Jenny discuss how her health goals have evolved from rigid, outcome-based targets (e.g., losing a specific amount of weight) to flexible, behavior-focused intentions. Jenny talks about actions that enhance overall well-being, such as mood and sleep, with weight loss being an acceptable but not primary outcome. Lisa talks about how health is measured by a multi-dimensional chart that includes mental, emotional, social, and physical aspects. Lisa and Jenny discuss how this approach encourages prioritizing different areas of health as needed, ensuring that physical goals do not overshadow emotional or social well-being, leading to a more integrated and balanced life.[23:52] Lisa and Jenny explore moving beyond the rigid doctrines of both diet culture and the reactive anti-diet culture and the key is to find a personal "middle ground" by assessing which behaviors feel safe on an individual level. Jenny explains how radical self-honesty is crucial to determine what is genuinely supportive for one's well-being, rather than applying blanket rules.[40:15] Jenny talks about how a sustainable health journey is not linear and that building self-trust over time allows for flexibility and resilience. Lisa and Jenny discuss that consistency is redefined not as perfection, but as the commitment to return to your practice after a break, viewing rest as part of the process rather than a failure. Lisa and Jenny explore how building trust with oneself is achieved by repeatedly honoring commitments and taking action, not just through kind self-talk. They also discuss how the 'pause' is an important tool to either reflect on resistance or decide to proceed with the action regardless of feeling.[1:13:25] Lisa and Jenny discuss the importance of recognizing oneself as a whole human with mental, emotional, and spiritual parts, not just a physical body. Lisa and Jenny highlight celebrating the win of choosing to listen to one's body and go home when tired, even if a planned workout is incomplete. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this follow-up episode, Lisa returns to further discuss what was left unsaid — the complicated truths about losing weight and intentional weight loss. Together with Theresa, Lisa explores the messy middle between diet culture’s false promises and anti-diet absolutes. Lisa and Theresa confront how weight loss can bring both relief and complications, revealing a more holistic path toward healing, nuance, and self-trust.Topics Include:The Messy MiddleSocial Stigma and SafetyIntentional Weight Loss vs. DietingFierce Self-Compassion[1:06] Lisa is once again interviewed by Theresa, a member of the 'Out of the Cave' community. Lisa felt that a couple of weeks of reflection revealed two key areas that were left unsaid. She feels nervous but compelled to discuss them for authenticity and to have a more complete conversation. [08:24] Lisa opens the discussion on the 'messy' and 'uncomfortable' truth that weight loss can have real benefits. She notes that this is a topic often avoided or resisted by the anti-diet movement, but she feels it's crucial to address the nuance and her own experiences with it. Research and data consistently show that for individuals with conditions like morbid obesity on the BMI chart, weight loss can lead to both physical and emotional benefits, thereby improving their quality of life.[18:24] Lisa discusses the 'complicated truth,' using her own experience of losing 150 pounds as an example. While she would have reported a higher quality of life at the time, she was also dissociated, starving, and her body was failing which wasn't part of that assessment. Reflecting on a group discussion about Oprah's Ozempic special, she recalls a member criticizing the show for implying life is better if you're not overweight. Lisa's internal conflict was acknowledging that 'sometimes it is' better.[20:18] Theresa points out the false promises from both extremes: diet culture suggests losing weight will fix all problems, while anti-diet culture suggests that abandoning restriction will do the same. She believes the truth is more complex. Lisa agrees with Theresa, stating the nuanced truth is the 'middle ground.' Diet culture says weight loss solves all problems, anti-diet culture says it solves none, but the reality is that it might solve some problems, which is a significant distinction.[48:15] Lisa describes her recent experience returning to a weight she hadn't been at for a decade, in a healthy, sustainable way without negative side effects like hair loss or fatigue. Theresa asks Lisa about the difference between dieting and intentional weight loss. Lisa describes dieting as often extreme, one-size-fits-all, and lacks bio-individuality. Lisa explains that intentional weight loss is flexible and accounts for real life. It follows a 'two steps forward, one step back' model, where gaining weight from a vacation is part of the plan, not a failure. This prevents the 'all or nothing' mindset.[1:06:37] Lisa explains that when you first start something, it's always hard, sloppy, and messy, just like learning to tie your shoes for the first time. But with practice, it will become a habit that doesn't require conscious thought. Lisa discusses how intentional weight loss is not impossible, but it requires "fierce self-compassion" and emotional work as the first step. [1:13:37] Lisa and Theresa wrap up the episode by expressing that this new approach, positioned between the typical anti-diet and pro-diet mentalities, is refreshing, different, and 'amazing.' Theresa believes the world may now be ready for this perspective. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

In this episode, Lisa is interviewed by Out of the Cave (OOTC) community member, Theresa. Lisa discusses her professional and academic work, including her doctorate in social work and upcoming programs. The core of the conversation focuses on healing one's relationship with food through self-reparenting, applying the Division of Responsibility framework, and the evolution of eating disorder treatment. Lisa also shares insights from her trauma-informed clinical program and her vision for the OOTC community.Topics Include:Reparenting through foodSatter’s Division of ResponsibilityDoctorate of Social Work ProgramFuture of the OOTC Program[0:32] Lisa is interviewed by Theresa, a member of the Out of the Cave community. The idea was suggested by Theresa, who was inspired by a similar episode from years prior. Lisa discusses concurrently managing her business and pursuing a Doctorate in Social Work (DSW). Lisa talks about the final cohort of her group coaching program and hosting a retreat at the Omega Institute in September 2025, which she considers a significant career milestone. [8:48] Theresa asks Lisa to rephrase the concept 'using food is the means with which we learn to repair ourselves' in a way that is understandable to those not familiar with the specialized vocabulary of the OOTC community. Lisa explains that the relationship with food serves as a mechanism for learning how to "reparent" or take care of oneself. This encompasses a physical dimension, which involves taking full responsibility for one's nutrition—planning, purchasing, preparing, and eating meals. She explains that it also involves an emotional dimension, which is the ability to manage the feelings that surface when changing eating habits, such as guilt or fear. This approach requires self-compassion and the capacity to sit with discomfort, embodying a form of loving discipline for one's own well-being.[22:31] Lisa and Theresa discuss Satter’s Division of Responsibility as a framework for establishing healthy eating boundaries. In this model, a parent is responsible for what, when, and where food is provided, and the child is responsible for how much and whether they eat.  Lisa talks about how this concept was personally transformative for helping her understand her own lifelong issues with food.[38:52] Theresa and Lisa discuss her doctorate program. Lisa explains that the curriculum in the trauma-informed clinical program is highly validating, as it covers topics like the Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) study, the neurobiology of trauma, polyvagal theory, and mindfulness, which are central to her own teaching and coaching. Lisa about how the experience confirms the validity of her approach. They discuss how the program provides deeper insight into the academic language and research methodologies used in the field. Lisa shares learning the distinction between 'emotional eating' and 'external eating' (environmental triggers for eating) and becoming familiar with formal screening tools and terminology used in academic literature. Lisa and Theresa examine how the conversation around eating disorders is moving from a polarized state of 'diet culture' versus 'anti-diet culture' to a more nuanced approach. [55:20] Lisa and Theresa wrap up the episode with a discussion of the future for Out of the Cave. They talk about the potential directions of continuing groups and retreats, publishing research, writing, teaching, and working with different demographics like children and families. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠Email Lisa: ⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠