Visibility Beats Visits: Rethinking Marketing For The LLM Era With Lindsay Halsey

We explore how an AI-first approach transforms a legacy driving school’s marketing, operations, and hiring while keeping focus on real-world outcomes. The big shift: recruiting becomes the growth engine, and local presence beats AI search for demand.• AI scheduling reduces travel time and increases daily lessons• Local marketing at scale through AI-powered research and print assets• Measuring lift via brand queries, CTR, utilization, and 10th-grade share• Nine test markets to validate and replicate winning tactics• Recruiting treated as marketing, led by clear personas• Retired educators deliver better training and higher lesson counts• Partnerships with online course leaders instead of head-to-head SEO• Focus on physical-service moat and first-principles metrics• Practical AI use: small daily wins over big-bang changesGuest Contact Information: Website: coastlineacademy.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/renaud-delaquisMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We explore how SEO is evolving into a broader visibility strategy that spans AI overviews, chat tools, and omnichannel marketing. Lindsay Halsey shares client-ready frameworks for education, measurement, and execution that turn complexity into clear next steps.• shift from sessions to visibility and share of voice• client education using visuals and live data reviews• GA4 custom channel for AI tool referrals• AI overview tracking and imperfect but useful signals• LLMs.txt and crawl access considerations• content that shows human expertise and authorship• aligning CTAs to intent to boost conversions• redistributing effort from top-of-funnel to mid-funnel• omnichannel support including paid social and PR• audience research and journey mapping to guide strategy• practical plan: what, why, how, when cadenceGuest Contact Information: Website:  pathfinderseo.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lindsay-halseyMore from EWR and MatthewLeave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

Brie Anderson and Matthew Bertram explore why LLM-sourced traffic often converts better than traditional organic, how to track it cleanly in GA4, and why attribution will always be directional. We share a practical framework for aligning KPIs, separating dashboards from reports, and building a tracking plan that drives real decisions.• LLM referrals as high-intent visits• GA4 source/medium over fragile channel groupings• First user vs session vs model-based views in GA4• UA to GA4 shift, privacy and event-based data• SEO vs CRO alignment and KPI clarity• Tracking plans, UTM standards, and maintenance• Search Console vs GA4 roles and gapsGuest Contact Information: Website: www.beastanalyticsco.comInstagram: www.instagram.com/brie_e_andersonLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/brieeandersonTwitter/X: x.com/brie_e_andersonMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We dig into how search is shifting from links to answers, why reputation now outranks tactics, and how to position your brand inside LLMs before it’s 10x harder. Ross Barefoot joins Matt to compare notes on pruning, big content, reviews, local, and the reality of client communication.• LLMs as a new gatekeeper layer and why fundamentals still matter• EEAT with real experience, proof, and long‑form content• Reputation first: reviews beyond Google and social mentions• Pruning thin and off‑topic content to clarify entity• RAG, freshness, and Google’s role in retrieval• Hidden gems: surfacing forums and long‑tail answers• Merchant Center and local search as stable channels• Measurement gaps, anonymized referrers, and log insights• Social’s rising weight in brand visibility• Client education, budgets, and communication systemsGuest Contact Information: Website: eepseo.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/rossbarefootMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We unpack why influencer marketing is now essential as social posts feed search and AI, and how micro creators, UGC rights, and repurposing drive real ROI. William Gassner of Stack Influence shares playbooks for seeding, scaling on TikTok Shop, and boosting Amazon rankings with external traffic.• Why Engagement Beats Follower Count• How UGC Lowers Ad Costs and Fuels SEO• Briefs, Rights, and Whitelisting Best Practice• Micro and Nano Influencers For Diversified Reach• Testing Hooks, Comments and Share Incentives• Seeding, Affiliates and Long‑Term Creator Programs• AI Influencers’ Limits and Where AI Helps• Live Shopping Trends and TikTok Shop Flywheel• Amazon Listing Setup, Vine Reviews and External Boosts• Step‑By‑Step Paths From Zero Budget To Platform ScaleGuest Contact Information: LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/william-gasnerMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

The digital marketing landscape is transforming dramatically with Google's MUM (Multitask Unified Model) reshaping how search works and forcing marketers to adapt their strategies beyond traditional SEO approaches.• MUM combines text, images, videos, maps and other data types to create a comprehensive understanding of topics• Google's framework has evolved from "micro-moments" to the "four S's of discovery" – stream, scroll, search, and shop• Customer journeys are no longer linear but resemble atoms or squiggly lines as users bounce between different touchpoints• Small businesses can compete by focusing on building communities and engaging audiences across multiple platforms• Traditional keyword tracking is becoming less valuable as search becomes more personalized and conversational• Content strategy should shift from high-volume production to creating fewer, higher-quality pieces with extensive distributionLeave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Guest Information:Website: https://mobilemoxie.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cindykrum/Twitter/X: https://x.com/Suzzicks/Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

The key to standing out in a world overrun with AI tools and generic marketing is getting back to the fundamentals of emotional targeting and understanding your customers at a deeper level.• Technology changes, but people don't. Emotional triggers still drive all purchasing decisions• Most marketers focus too much on features rather than addressing customer emotions• Using AI to outsource thinking leads to generic content that fails to convert• Website traffic has decreased by 50-60% across platforms, making conversion optimization critical• Two key emotional clusters impact buying decisions: self-image and social image• Customer research is frequently skipped, but remains the foundation of effective marketing• Generic messaging leads to commoditization, where businesses all sound the same• AI-powered search is more conversational and emotional than traditional keyword search• The best starting point is collecting the voice of the customer data through surveys, interviews, and review miningGuest Information: linkedin.com/in/taliagwtaliawolf.comMore from EWR and Matt:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

AI is revolutionizing e-commerce by enabling brands to scale product catalogs and optimize Amazon listings with unprecedented efficiency. Daniela Bolzmann shares how Mindful Goods uses artificial intelligence to transform data analysis, content creation, and split testing for seven and eight-figure brands.• AI allows agencies to support enterprise brands with thousands of SKUs by creating template masters deployable across entire catalogs• Split testing tools like Manager Experiments (free within Amazon), PickFu, IntelliV, and Product Pinion provide critical consumer insights• Title testing can increase Amazon sales by up to 990% according to Mindful Goods' data• The three pillars of Amazon success: SEO visibility, main image optimization, and product page conversion• Data Dive offers powerful keyword analysis capabilities for Amazon listings (use code mindfulVIP for a discount)• AI-powered synthetic avatar testing allows brands to test messaging against specific personas before spending ad dollarsGuest Contact Information: linkedin.com/in/dbolzmannmindfulgoods.coMore from EWR and Matt:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

SEO veteran Ian Lurie joins Matt Bertram to discuss navigating today's chaotic digital marketing landscape and why traditional metrics are becoming less reliable. They explore how the decline in click data requires a shift to lift-based measurement that correlates visibility improvements with revenue changes rather than traffic alone.• Marketers must focus on business performance over vanity metrics• Measurement requires correlating visibility (in rankings, SERP features, or AI mentions) with revenue increases • AI generates "average" content because it lacks human narrative capabilities• Creating effective content requires using AI as a tool within a human-directed creative process• Small businesses need to focus on teaching their audience and maximizing return on time invested• The core principles of effective marketing remain constant despite rapid technological changes• Tracking neutral user views rather than personalized search results provides better performance data• Testing should focus on revenue impact.Guest Contact Information: linkedin.com/in/ianlurieianlurie.comMore from EWR and Matt:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

Brad Wetherall, former head of Google My Business, reveals insider knowledge about how Google evaluates and ranks business profiles in the evolving search landscape. He shares crucial insights on trust factors, ranking signals, and how AI is reshaping local search strategies.• Google Business Profile (formerly Google My Business) remains critical despite the focus on AI and LLMs• The three most important ranking factors are business name, primary category, and reviews• Consistent review frequency matters more than total volume for ongoing relevance• Google has an internal "trust" algorithm that evaluates profile owners based on their editing history• Fake reviews can result in a 90-day review collection ban, making manipulation not worth the risk• Brand mentions are becoming more valuable than backlinks in the AI era• The AI overview feature heavily utilizes GBP data, making profile accuracy increasingly important• Photos should be geo-tagged and added regularly rather than all at onceGuest Contact Information: linkedin.com/in/bradwetherallMore from EWR and Matt:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show