What Makes Art Therapeutic? with Adele Tutter

Psychoanalysis & You is an APsA podcast about psychoanalysis and everyday life hosted by Dr. Gail Saltz. We explore the intricacies of psychoanalysis under the guidance of our host, Gail Saltz. Founded in 1911, the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsA) is the oldest national psychoanalytic organization in the nation. APsA is committed to being a professional membership organization for psychoanalysts, psychoanalytic psychotherapists, academics, researchers, students, and other interested people – all whose work is profoundly informed by psychoanalytic theory and values, and to supporting their education and continuing professional development. Our Host Our host, Dr. Gail Saltz, is best known for her work as a relationship, family, emotional wellbeing, and mental health contributor in the media where she is a go-to expert for commentary on the mental health aspects of current/breaking issues and news. She is a bestselling author of numerous books. She serves on the public information committee for the American Psychoanalytic Association and for The Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry. Explore more episodes here. Our Guest for Episode 11 Julie Jaffee Nagel, Ph.D.  is a clinical psychoanalyst who integrates her education in music and psychoanalysis.  Curious about her  stage fright as a performer, she  pursued her education beyond  2 degrees from Juilliard.  After earning her MSW, MA (psychology) and Ph.D. in both psychology and social work  from the University of Michigan  she graduated from the Michigan Psychoanalytic Institute.  She treats numerous musicians (and others)  for  performance anxiety and career choice.   Her 3 books integrate  music’s value  in mental life (Melodies of the MInd, Rougledge), Managing Stage Fright (Oxford University Press), and  Career Choices in Music Beyond the Pandemic (Rowman and LIttlefield) which she  presented at Juilliard.  Dr. Nagel  promotes  creative outreach beyond the consulting room and concert hall and gives  presentations at psychoanalytic institutes,  music organizations, and the general public.   She Chaired the ApsaA Discussion Group “Psychoanaltic Perspectives on Music” for 14 years,  presented  her original 2- person fantasy theater piece “A Conversation Between Freud and Mozart” at Steinway Hall in New York (2020), and  showed the documentary  “For the Left Hand” ( 2023 ) in the historic State Theater in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  Awards  include  Nautlus Book Award, Distinguished Service Award from the National Conference on Keyboard Pegagogy,  Ticho Award, Karl Menninger Award (ApsaA), and the Nathan Segel Award  from MPI. Her work is endorsed by Joseph Polisi, President Emeritus Juilliard, Arnold Steinhardt, First Violin Guarneri String Quartet, Pianists Leon Fleisher, Pianist and Ruth Slenczynska,, Gary Ingle, CEO Music Teachers National Association (ret). She was interviewed by Harvey Schwartz (Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch), Gail Saltz (Psychoanalysis and You) and others. Recent  presentations include  #Me Too;  Understanding Oppression, Injustice, and Intolerance Through Music (TAP); Memory Slip: Stage Fright and Performing Musicians (JAPA). Julie Jaffee Nagel is in private practice in Dexter, Michigan,  Website: julienagel.net Find 'Psychoanalysis & You' on your favorite podcast platform! https://apsa.org/podcast #APsApodcast

Welcome to ‘Psychoanalysis & You,’ the official podcast of the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsA). We explore the intricacies of psychoanalysis under the guidance of our host, Gail Saltz. Founded in 1911, the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsA) is the oldest national psychoanalytic organization in the nation. APsA is committed to being a professional membership organization for psychoanalysts, psychoanalytic psychotherapists, academics, researchers, students, and other interested people – all whose work is profoundly informed by psychoanalytic theory and values, and to supporting their education and continuing professional development. Our Host Our host, Dr. Gail Saltz, is best known for her work as a relationship, family, emotional wellbeing, and mental health contributor in the media where she is a go-to expert for commentary on the mental health aspects of current/breaking issues and news. She is a bestselling author of numerous books. She serves on the public information committee for the American Psychoanalytic Association and for The Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry. Our Guest for Episode 10: Dr. Beverly Stoute Beverly J. Stoute, MD, FABP, DFAPA, DFAACAP, is an innovative, internationally recognized leader and advocate in child, adolescent, and adult psychiatry and psychoanalysis. She has held multiple leadership positions locally and nationally, most recently serving as a Co-Chair of the Holmes Commission on Racial Equality in American Psychoanalysis, formerly on the Board of Directors of the American Psychoanalytic Association, on the faculties of multiple psychoanalytic training programs, and currently in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science as Adjunct Professor at the Emory University School of Medicine, and Adjunct Clinical Professor the Morehouse School of Medicine. She is a prominent speaker, author, scholar, educator, clinician, leadership advisor and organizational consultant who has received multiple awards and honors for her work. Dr. Stoute’s significant work is recognized for changing psychoanalytic and developmental perspectives on implicit bias in health care delivery, and diversity in psychoanalytic education, organizations and in the training of mental health professions. Her work as a clinician and educator integrates psychoanalytic approaches in the multimodal treatment of children, adolescents, and adults with anxiety, mood disorders, behavior problems, severe psychiatric illness, neurodivergent learning styles, with adjustment issues in high conflict divorce and complex trauma. Dr. Stoute combines psychoanalytic understanding with community advocacy work and forensic work in civil litigation for children, adolescents, and adults with complex trauma and teaches mental health clinicians at all levels on a wide range of topics in private and community settings. Her innovative and award-winning scholarship on the developmental aspects of race implicit bias and diversity awareness is on the cutting edge of expanding psychoanalytic theory, is taught at training programs across the United States and has been translated into German, Spanish and Portuguese. Dr. Stoute maintains a full-time private practice in Atlanta, GA He book, co-edited with Michael Slevin, book, The Trauma of Racism: Lessons from the Therapeutic Encounter, co-edited with Michael Slevin, was released by Routledge in 2023. maintains a full-time private practice in Atlanta, GA. Find 'Psychoanalysis & You' on your favorite podcast platform! https://apsa.org/podcast #APsApodcast

Psychoanalysis & You is the official podcast of the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsA) about psychoanalysis and everyday life hosted by Dr. Gail Saltz. Episode 9 Does Living Through Difficult Times Impact Our Bodies? Considering a Somatic Perspective, with Jessica Benjamin and Chris Walling Show Notes Jessica Benjamin is best known as the author of The Bonds of Love (1988), which brought a feminist intersubjective perspective into the psychoanalytic field, and of “Beyond Doer and Done To: An Intersubjective View of Thirdness” (2004), the basis for her recent book Beyond Doer and done To: Recognition Theory, Intersubjectivity and the Third (2018). This book emphasizes the importance of acknowledgment in therapeutic interaction and in relation to trauma, including collective historical trauma. In addition she is the author of Like Subjects, Love Objects (1995); and Shadow of the Other (1998). She has been one of the leaders in the relational movement in psychoanalysis since its inception. She teaches and supervises at the New York University Postdoctoral Program in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis as well as at the Stephen Mitchell Relational Studies Center of which she is a co-founder. She co-directed and initiated a project for acknowledgment between Israeli and Palestinian mental health professionals during the period 2003-2011. Dr. Chris Walling, PsyD, MBA, FABP is a licensed clinical psychologist, board-certified psychoanalyst, and an active leader in the bio-behavioral sciences. Dr. Walling is Associate Professor in the Department of Research Psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies, his clinical interests survey the fields of human sexuality, relational psychoanalysis, somatic psychotherapy, soma-aesthetics, and trauma psychologies. He is a Fellow of the American Board of Psychoanalysis, a Fellow of the International Psychoanalytical Association, and a member of the New Center for Psychoanalysis where he serves as Faculty in the Adult Psychoanalytic Training program and serves as Chair of the Faculty Committee, Dr. Walling also serves on the American Psychoanalytic Association’s Committee on Gender & Sexuality. Dr. Walling is a Clinical Research Fellow at Kinsey Institute for Research on Sex, Gender and Reproduction located at Indiana University Bloomington and serves on their International Advisory Council. Dr. Walling maintains a private practice in Los Angeles, California. Host Dr. Gail Saltz is best known for her work as a relationship, family, emotional wellbeing, and mental health contributor in the media where she is a go-to expert for commentary on the mental health aspects of current/breaking issues and news. She is a bestselling author of numerous books and serves on the public information committee for the American Psychoanalytic Association and for The Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry. About APsA Founded in 1911, the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsA) is the oldest national psychoanalytic organization in the nation. APsA is committed to being a professional membership organization for psychoanalysts, psychoanalytic psychotherapists, academics, researchers, students, and other interested people – all whose work is profoundly informed by psychoanalytic theory and values, and to supporting their education and continuing professional development.

Psychoanalysis & You | APsA official podcast Episode 8 | Bringing Psychoanalytically Informed Support Into Schools, with Mark Smaller Our Guest Mark D. Smaller, Ph.D., is an adult, adolescent, and child psychoanalyst, and founding Co-Director of Forward Edge Services with offices in Saugatuck and Grand Rapids, Michigan. In addition to his private practice he consults to schools and to non and for profit corporations. He is on the Clinical Faculty, Western Michigan University Homer Stryker M.D. School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry. Dr. Smaller is past president of the American Psychoanalytic Association; former Board member, International Psychoanalytic Association; and Executive Director Emeritus of the Neuropsychoanalysis Foundation in New York, As the former Public Advocacy Department Head of the American Psychoanalytic Association, Dr. Smaller led lobbying efforts in the United States Congress regarding the impact of trauma on children from community violence. Dr. Smaller is Founding Director of the Project Realize Foundation, having created an in-school treatment and research project in Chicago. Project Realize was awarded the 2012 Award for Excellence by the American Association for Child Psychoanalysis, and was featured in the New York Times, January 2010. Currently, Project Realize supports patients and families in west Michigan unable to afford private psychotherapy, and is funded through grants and private donations. Psychoanalysis & You We explore the intricacies of psychoanalysis under the guidance of our host, Gail Saltz. Founded in 1911, the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsA) is the oldest national psychoanalytic organization in the nation. APsA is committed to being a professional membership organization for psychoanalysts, psychoanalytic psychotherapists, academics, researchers, students, and other interested people – all whose work is profoundly informed by psychoanalytic theory and values, and to supporting their education and continuing professional development. Our host Dr. Gail Saltz, is best known for her work as a relationship, family, emotional wellbeing, and mental health contributor in the media where she is a go-to expert for commentary on the mental health aspects of current/breaking issues and news. She is a bestselling author of numerous books. She serves on the public information committee for the American Psychoanalytic Association and for The Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry. Dr. Saltz is an Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the NY Presbyterian Hospital Weill-Cornell School of medicine, a psychoanalyst with the New York Psychoanalytic Institute. Each episode features engaging discussions on key psychoanalytic concepts, such as transference, defense mechanisms, and the role of the unconscious in everyday life. Whether you’re a psychology student, a mental health professional, or simply curious about your own psyche, our content is designed to enlighten and inspire. Listen to recent episodes for Season 2 of ‘Psychoanalysis & You’ below or connect to our RSS feed for past episodes. #APsApodcast

Maggie Zellner, Ph.D., L.P., is a neuropsychoanalytic educator and psychoanalyst in private practice in New York City. She is the Executive Director of the Neuropsychoanalysis Foundation in New York, and former Managing Editor of the journal Neuropsychoanalysis. Maggie received her Ph.D. from the Graduate Center of the City University of New York in the Neuropsychology Sub-program at Queens College. She is a founding member of the International Neuropsychoanalysis Society, and a graduate and member of the National Psychological Association for Psychoanalysis (NPAP) in New York. Maggie has taught neuroscience to the psychoanalytically-minded since 2003.

What if police officers understood clinical concepts around traumatic stress? Would that change the way they respond in heightened circumstances? What if they had the tools to identify people in need and refer them to the appropriate clinical resources?Dr. Steven Marans, MSW, PhD, is a child and adult psychoanalyst at the Yale School of Medicine, where he serves as Harris Professor of Child Psychoanalysis, Professor of Psychiatry at the Child Study Center and Department of Psychiatry, and Director of the Yale Center for Traumatic Stress and Recovery.Having devoted much of his career to developing psychoanalytically informed responses to children, families and communities traumatized by violent and catastrophic events, Dr. Marans is also Founder of the Child Development-Community Policing Program, a pioneering collaboration between mental health and law enforcement professionals. On this episode of Psychoanalysis and You, Dr. Marans joins host Dr. Gail Saltz to discuss his work with the New Haven Police Department, describing what he’s learned from working with law enforcement and how it informs his clinical practice.Dr. Marans explains how consistent exposure to traumatic events impacts police officers and explores how training in clinical concepts helps cops visualize themselves as helpers and apply safer, more effective strategies in high-stress situations. Listen in to understand how Dr. Marans’ partnership with the New Haven PD inspired the Child and Family Traumatic Stress Intervention and learn how we might scale the model of collaboration between clinicians and law enforcement in police departments across the country. Topics Covered·      What inspired Dr. Marans’ work with the New Haven Police Department·      The potential police have to identify kids and families exposed to trauma and refer them to clinical resources·      How consistent exposure to traumatic events impacts police officers·      Dr. Marans’ insight around what clinicians and police officers can learn from each other·      How training in clinical concepts helps police visualize themselves as helpers·      How Dr. Marans’ work with police helps officers self-reflect on their responses and apply safer, more effective strategies moving forward·      What Dr. Marans has learned from working with police and how it informs his clinical practice·      How Dr. Marans’ collaboration with police birthed the Child and Family Traumatic Stress Intervention·      How amenable police departments are to implementing programs similar to that of Dr. Marans’ curriculum for the New Haven PD·      Why we have yet to scale the model of collaboration between clinicians and police officers in departments across the country Connect with Dr. Marans Dr. Marans at the Yale School of Medicine Connect with APsAThe American...

Psychoanalysis & You | APsA official podcast | Episode 12 - Using Psychoanalytic Insights to Shape Public Policy and Treatment for Veterans, with Harold Kudler Dr. Kudler received his M.D. from Downstate Medical Center, trained in Psychiatry at Yale and is Associate Consulting Professor at Duke and Adjunct Professor at the Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences. From 2000 through 2005, he co-chaired the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA’s) Special Committee on PTSD which reports directly to Congress. He has served on the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies Board of Directors, co-led development of joint VA/Department of Defense Guidelines for the Management of Posttraumatic Stress, and advised Sesame Street’s Talk Listen Connect series for military families. From 2004 to 2014, he was Associate Director of VA's Mid-Atlantic Mental Illness Research, Education, and Clinical Center (MIRECC) on Deployment Mental Health. From 2006 to 2014, he co-led the North Carolina Governor’s Focus on Returning Military Members and their Families. In July 2014, he joined VA Central Office in Washington DC as Chief Consultant for Mental Health Services. Starting in May 2017, he served as Acting Assistant Deputy Under Secretary for Patient Care Services until his retirement from VA in June 2018. A Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, Dr. Kudler plays a leadership role in a number of mental health organizations including the International Center for Multigenerational Legacies of Trauma. Dr. Kudler is immediate Past President of the Psychoanalytic Center of the Carolinas and chairs the Service Members and Veterans Initiative of the American Psychoanalytic Association and the Military and Veterans Committee of the Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry. https://apsa.org/podcast

Gun violence is a common occurrence in America, and that makes us an outlier among developed nations.There were 39 mass shootings in January 2023 alone, and firearms are the #1 cause of death for children in our country.How can we use our training as psychoanalysts to recognize who might be at risk for committing mass gun violence and intervene long before they’re inclined to take action?Dr. Jeffrey Taxman, MD, is a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst with a private practice Mequon, Wisconsin, and serves on the clinical faculty at the Medical College of Wisconsin Department of Psychiatry. He is also an internationally recognized expert in massive community trauma with a focus on first responders.Dr. Taxman has supported police officers, soldiers, firefighters, medical personnel and mental health workers during crisis situations, and his work to develop a psychoanalytic framework for understanding and preventing mass gun violence in the US is presented and discussed nationally.On this inaugural episode of Psychoanalysis and You, Dr. Taxman joins host Dr. Gail Saltz to explore the tremendous need for mental health care among first responders and explain how he uses psychoanalytic principles to help them do their jobs better in crisis situations.Dr. Taxman walks us through the risk factors for committing a mass shooting and discusses the politicization of gun violence in America.Listen in to understand why gun control alone won’t eliminate mass shootings and learn what we can do as mental health professionals to limit the pool of future shooters in our communities. Topics Covered ·      Why Dr. Taxman is driven to use his skills as a psychoanalyst during massive disasters·      How Dr. Taxman uses psychoanalytic principles to help first responders do their jobs better·      The tremendous need for mental health care among members of the military, first responders and police officers·      Using a psychoanalytic framework to understand and prevent mass gun violence·      The risk factors for committing a mass shooting and what we might do to limit the pool of future shooters·      Who is best qualified to screen children around their capacity for empathy·      How Dr. Taxman thinks about adolescents having access to guns during the high-risk period when they’re highly impulsive·      Why gun control alone won’t solve the problem of mass shootings in America·      The politicization of gun violence and Dr. Taxman’s challenge to Congress to consider the perspective of mental health professionals in addressing the issue Connect with Dr. Taxman Dr. Taxman at Mequon Clinical Associates‘Gun Violence in America—A Tri-Vector Model’ in the International Journal of Applied Psychoanalytic Studies Connect with APsA The American Psychoanalytic AssociationAPsA on...

Does understanding an artist’s mind enhance our appreciation of their work?Traditional art history stressed the importance of looking at works of art in isolation and discouraged ‘contaminating’ art with biographical data. But if you ask Dr. Adele Tutter, MD, PhD, it’s that biographical data that uncovers the significance of the art to its creator. So, how can we use our training as psychoanalysts to better understand the creative process? And how might we use art as a tool to support our patients, whether or not they happen to be artists themselves?Dr. Tutter is Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the Columbia University Vagelos School of Medicine and Director of the Psychoanalytic Studies Program in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. In her award-winning scholarship, Dr. Tutter explores the underpinnings of creativity and the relationship between the artist and their art, including the short stories of Raymond Carver, the photography of Francesca Woodman, and the fashion of Alexander McQueen.On this episode of Psychoanalysis and You, Dr. Tutter joins host Dr. Gail Saltz to explain how understanding an artist’s mind helps us better understand their work.Dr. Tutter discusses the therapeutic nature of making art, describing how artists use their work to process trauma and transform it into something beautiful.Listen in for Dr. Tutter’s insight on treating creative people and learn how to use art as a vehicle to help patients talk about themselves. Topics Covered·      How Dr. Tutter’s curiosity leads her to the artists she chooses to write about·      Dr. Tutter’s psychoanalytic approach to art history and how it differs from traditional methodology·      Understanding an artist’s mind in order to understand their work (i.e.: Josef Sudek’s photographs of trees)·      How our mind impacts the way we view a work of art·      How their work can help an artist process their trauma and transform it into something beautiful·      Surprising things Dr. Tutter has uncovered in analyzing artists and their work·      How the themes or objects in an artist’s work have multiple meanings that change over time·      The therapeutic nature of making art and why we should encourage it·      Using a patient’s art or works they’ve seen as a vehicle to talk about themselves·      Why creative people seek out Dr. Tutter and how that affects their treatment·      How writing about artists and their grief helped Dr. Tutter process her own·      Why Dr. Tutter shares more of her own experiences than most psychoanalysts Connect with Dr. TutterDr. Tutter at Columbia UniversityDr. Tutter on LinkedInBooks by Dr. TutterResearch by Dr. Tutter Connect with APsA The American

The future of psychotherapy as a profession depends, in large part, on how young people understand the discipline.So, what is the best way to introduce the concepts of psychoanalysis to the next generation?Elizabeth Lunbeck, MA, is a historian of psychoanalysis, psychiatry and psychology currently serving as Professor and Chair of the Department of the History of Science at Harvard University. She teaches courses in the history of psychoanalysis, including a general education lecture course, Psychotherapy and the Modern Self. Lunbeck is also the author of The Psychiatric Persuasion: Knowledge, Gender, and Power in Modern America and The Americanization of Narcissism and coauthor of Family Romance, Family Secrets: Case Notes from an American Psychoanalysis. She is currently writing a book on the talking cure—from Freud to TikTok.On this episode of Psychoanalysis and You, Elizabeth Lunbeck joins host Dr. Gail Saltz to explain how she demystifies psychoanalysis for her students without dumbing it down. Lunbeck discusses the benefit of teaching concepts like transference and reenactment by tying them to our everyday experiences and describes her approach to addressing student curiosity around the efficacy of psychoanalytic treatment. Listen in for Lunbeck’s insight on how the pandemic has changed public understanding of psychoanalysis and learn what we can do as mental health professionals to ‘defend the brand’ in a time when anyone can call themselves a therapist. Topics Covered·      Lunbeck’s approach to teaching undergraduates about psychotherapy·      The benefit of teaching concepts like transference and reenactment by tying them to our everyday experiences·      Lunbeck’s students’ openness to learning about psychoanalysis·      How talk is the technology of all 250 branded therapies·      What Lunbeck does to demystify concepts of psychoanalysis without dumbing them down·      How Lunbeck teaches counterintuitive ideas like Fairbairn’s allure of the bad object·      Lunbeck’s approach to addressing the efficacy of psychoanalytic treatment with her students·      How the pandemic has changed public understanding of psychoanalysis·      How the pandemic highlighted the magnitude of the mismatch between mental health providers and need·      Lunbeck’s concerns around distance treatment for mental health conditions·      What psychoanalysts can do to ‘defend the brand’ Connect with Elizabeth LunbeckElizabeth Lunbeck at Harvard University Connect with APsAThe American Psychoanalytic AssociationAPsA on FacebookAPsA on TwitterAPsA on LinkedInAPsA on...