15. Does Violence Work?

What stories do we tell ourselves? How do we choose to respond? Based on the work of Miki Kashtan. Heather refers to The Rest Is Politics episode: How Trump’s Security Strategy Destroys The Old World Order⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.

Heather describes her migration journey and the reasons behind it. Chris reflects on identifying with the nation-state. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:Is It Time to Leave America? podcast episode

Heather explores Miki Kashtan's template for the nonviolent use of force. Chris raises questions. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:Nonviolent Global Liberation CommunityIs Nonviolent Use of Force an Oxymoron?

Heather raises the question. Chris explores the definitions. We are left with questions around who perpetuates the most violence and is it "working". ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:https://www.conspirituality.net/  (Conspirituality podcast)https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745349770/they-will-beat-the-memory-out-of-us/ (Gelderloos book)https://open.spotify.com/episode/2WNZzfInK5iTXdzSRT7v2L?si=tmUHI3bPTzeThqYciI5DAg (our episode: Do Human Rights Matter?)

Heather summarises what is going on in the UK around Palestine Action and how "terrorism" looks from her point of view, including describing what it was like to be living in NYC during 9/11. Chris responds and widens the discussion around theory of change. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Actionhttps://palestineaction.org/brize-norton/https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version#proscription-offences https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g83l33wdeo 

Chris and Heather discuss the definition of fascism.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:⁠Chris's YouTube⁠⁠Chris's TikTok⁠

Chris and Heather discuss regulating our nervous systems during these times, honest jobs, and being grounded in values as we navigate doing good in the world while meeting our needs.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:Chris's YouTubeChris's TikTokThe Liberatory Livelihood Association (includes link to upcoming event)Heather's conversation with Lorraine about leaving your soul in the parking lot

Chris and Heather discuss the recent UK Supreme Court ruling on the definition of a woman, how this connects with Trump's deportations other stuff. Plus we connect this to human rights and individuality.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:BBC Coverage of the UK Supreme Court RulingUp from Under the Rulers by H. Peter SteevesUS Declaration of IndependenceUS Supreme Court Ruling on Deportation

Chris and Heather reflect on what hope means in the context of privilege, and the importance of language and community. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:⁠⁠⁠Joyful Militancy⁠⁠MaangamiziIt's not the end, it's just the beginning. We the People get to write our own future.Chris's YouTube channel

Chris and Heather reflect on resistance and relationships in the United States, Serbia, Argentina, and Turkey. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ about Chris and Heather.Show notes:Article on US resistance: https://wagingnonviolence.org/2025/03/resistance-alive-well-us/Article on protests in Serbia Podcast on protests in Serbia Article on sonic weapon use in Serbia ⁠⁠Turkey jails Istanbul mayor before trial, stoking opposition anger⁠Joyful MilitancyUp from Under the Rulers by H Peter Steeves The Conversation No One in Sustainability Is Having (convo between B. Lorraine Smith and Heather)Supporting Livelihoods in Uncertain Times