458: How to Have Hard Conversations

Colette Jane Fehr a marriage counselor, EMDR therapist, and author of "The Cost of Quiet." With over two decades of experience helping individuals and couples navigate relationship challenges, Colette specializes in teaching people how to communicate vulnerably and assertively in their most important relationships.  Episode Overview  In this powerful conversation, Dr. Debi Silber sits down with therapist and author Colette Fehr to explore why speaking up in relationships is essential for healing, growth, and genuine connection—especially after betrayal. Colette shares her personal journey from childhood trauma to relationship betrayal, and how these experiences shaped her understanding of healthy communication and the devastating cost of staying quiet.  Key Topics Discussed  The Origins of Conflict Avoidance  How childhood experiences with parental conflict shape our relationship patterns  The difference between destructive conflict (screaming, fighting) and constructive conflict (honest, vulnerable communication)  Why some people mistake silence and "keeping the peace" for relationship health  The concept of parentification and how it impacts adult relationships  Understanding "The Cost of Quiet"  Quiet as a euphemism for conflict avoidance  Different forms of conflict avoidance that people don't recognize:  Self-silencing and sweeping things under the rug  Criticism disguised as "expressing feelings"  Bickering about surface issues instead of deeper needs  Why avoiding vulnerability doesn't actually protect you from pain  The Four Bad Communication Report Card Responses (The Four D's and an F)  Dismissiveness - "It's no big deal, why are you so upset?"  Defensiveness - Getting reactive instead of receptive  Distancing - Shutting down, stonewalling, pulling away  Fixing - Problem-solving instead of listening and connecting  Vulnerability as Strength  Why vulnerability is actually the strongest choice you can make  How to build the courage to be vulnerable after betrayal  Connecting with your inner child before difficult conversations  The only way through fear is action—building the vulnerability muscle  Self-Connected Communication  The importance of I-statements over you-statements  Connecting to deeper emotional needs beyond surface complaints  Speaking from your "core sage self" (wise, loving adult) rather than reactive parts  The distinction between being nice (self-abandoning) and being kind (self-honoring)  When to Speak Up  Why waiting longer than 24 hours allows resentment to grow  Common excuses that keep us from addressing issues (wrong time, they're tired, etc.)  Most conversations don't need to be long—short, clear, vulnerable statements work best  You can't control your partner's response, but you can control showing up for yourself  Building the Assertiveness Muscle  Why successful women often struggle with assertiveness in intimate relationships  Starting small with low-stakes vulnerable moments  The confidence boost that comes from speaking your truth  How assertiveness differs from aggressiveness  The Meta-Conversation Strategy When your partner repeatedly responds poorly to vulnerability: "I notice that I try to bring up things and share my feelings. I'm taking great effort to say things in a way that's tactful and diplomatic, but honest, and it seems like when I do, I get a defensive or dismissive response. I don't really know where to go from here. Have you noticed that? What's going on with you? Are you willing to work on this with me?"  Signs It's Working  Reduction in fear when bringing up difficult topics  Growing confidence in expressing yourself  Your partner responding with openness rather than defensiveness  Feeling closer and more connected after vulnerable conversations  Even if they don't respond well—you're getting information faster and can make empowered choices  After Betrayal: Special Considerations  Why vulnerability feels especially terrifying after intimate partner betrayal  The connection to Stage 3 of the Five Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough (doing the same thing expecting different results)  How moving into Stages 4 and 5 requires having uncomfortable conversations  Being vulnerable doesn't guarantee you won't get hurt, but not being vulnerable guarantees disconnection  Vulnerability helps you discover more quickly what a relationship will or won't give you  Powerful Quotes from the Episode  "Being in a relationship is inherently unsafe. It is a risk. But if you're willing to be vulnerable, you're going to find out more quickly what a relationship will and will not give you, and you can make choices that empower and serve your needs."  "It's actually not about the coffee cup. It's about the fact that lately I feel like I'm communicating with you and you're not hearing me, and that makes me feel inside—my vulnerable part feels like I'm not important to you."  "You've got to speak up no matter what. I don't care how you were raised, what part of the country, what your personality was, who your partner is. This is something you do for you."  "Vulnerability is strength, but it is very, very scary. We could be rejected or abandoned. But the only way through fear is by doing—action in the face of fear is what develops the muscle."  "If your partner is repeatedly not listening, being dismissive, being defensive, then maybe that tells you something about, 'Do I want to invest in this relationship?' But if you're not being vulnerable and clear, then you're contributing to what's not working."  "The point of feelings, the point of emotion, is that they're information processing signals that point us to our needs."  "If you're going to bother to try to improve this relationship, we can't have anything better based on just fear of even speaking up."  Colette's Personal Journey  Childhood Experience:  Idyllic childhood until age 10 when parents' marriage began deteriorating  Parents (lawyer mother, doctor father) engaged in epic daily fighting  Dealt with parental infidelity and eventual divorce  Became parentified—taking on emotional mediator role inappropriate for her age  Made meaning that she had to rely on herself because adults couldn't care for her properly  Rebelled against Catholic school environment as a way of coping  First Marriage:  Married someone from a conflict-avoidant Southern family  Partner was emotionally unavailable and disconnected  When she tried to express feelings, received dismissive, defensive, or distancing responses  Learned to silence herself to "keep the peace"  Marriage failed after having children, leading her to return to graduate school  Path to Her Work:  Bad experience in marriage counseling inspired her to become a marriage counselor  Spent 11 years between marriages dating and experiencing significant betrayals  Been cheated on by two partners in ways that "gutted" her  Now in second marriage of 9 years (together 12 years)  Uses EMDR therapy in her practice  Wrote "The Cost of Quiet" to provide a preventative roadmap for others  Practical Takeaways  Connect with your inner child before vulnerable conversations - Acknowledge the fear, reassure yourself you've got your own back no matter the outcome  Use the template for vulnerable communication:  Start small with low-stakes topics  Use I-statements, not you-statements  Speak to deeper needs, not just surface complaints  Be specific about what you need  Address issues within 24 hours - Don't let resentment build by waiting for the "perfect time"  Watch for your own conflict avoidance patterns:  Are you criticizing instead of being vulnerable?  Are you bickering about surface issues?  Are you staying silent to keep the peace?  Remember: Vulnerability invites vulnerability - When you show up authentically, you often get authenticity back  Let go of trying to control your partner's response - You can't manage how they'll react, but you can show up for yourself  Apply this skill everywhere - Practice assertive, vulnerable communication in all relationships, not just romantic ones  Resources  Connect with Colette Fehr:  Website: ColetteFehr.com   Instagram: @ColetteJaneFehr  TikTok: @ColetteJaneFehr  Book: "The Cost of Quiet" (available on her website and wherever books are sold)  Podcasts:  "Insights from the Couch" (for women at midlife)  "Love Thy Neighbor" (all about relationships)  For Post Betrayal Syndrome® Recovery:  Learn more about the Five Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough™  Visit The PBT Institute for resources on healing from betrayal and becoming a Certified PBT Coach or Practitioner  Episode Themes  #Communication #VulnerabilityIsStrength #BetrayalRecovery #HealthyRelationships #ConflictResolution #EmotionalIntelligence #Assertiveness #InnerChildWork #RelationshipHealing #SelfAdvocacy #TheCostOfQuiet 

In this episode, Dr. Debi explores two fundamental aspects of healing from betrayal that don't get enough attention: worthiness and self-compassion. She reveals how early conditioning shapes our sense of worth, how betrayal amplifies these wounds, and why the shattering experience of betrayal offers a profound opportunity to rebuild yourself intentionally.  Key Topics Covered  The Roots of Unworthiness  How worthiness issues often start in early childhood  The ways institutions, religion, and caregivers may have taught you to "earn" your worth  Why some people had a vested interest in keeping you feeling unworthy  How these early beliefs follow us into adulthood unquestioned  When Betrayal Meets Unworthiness  Why betrayal can feel like confirmation of unworthiness  The dangerous cycle: tolerating what shouldn't be tolerated, accepting what shouldn't be accepted  How feeling unworthy can set up conditions for future betrayals  The missed opportunity when we don't question who we were and who we're ready to become  The Intuition Factor  Why we sometimes turn down our intuition before betrayal happens  The fear of "pulling the thread" that might unravel everything  How questioning one thing means questioning your entire life setup  Understanding why this is so difficult (and not your fault)  The Beauty in the Shattering  Why betrayal's complete destruction is actually an opportunity  How to intentionally rebuild rather than just return to who you were  The power of questioning decades-old beliefs as an adult  Dismantling beliefs that no longer serve you  The Self-Compassion Struggle  Dr. Debi's personal story: tying worth to productivity and achievement  The belief that "if you're having fun, you're not being responsible"  Why we're compassionate to everyone else but brutal to ourselves  The familiar pattern: "If I spoke to a friend how I spoke to myself, I wouldn't have a friend in the world"  Changing the Internal Dialogue  Dr. Debi's "adorable" practice: replacing self-criticism with kindness  Why being "easy on yourself" feels wrong (and why it's actually right)  The revelation: best ideas don't come from grinding at the computer  How rest and being (versus constant doing) actually increases productivity  The Bicoastal Shift  How moving between New York and California helped break the "hustle and grind" pattern  Recognizing deeply ingrained conditioning that needs undoing  The experiment: testing whether self-compassion affects productivity (spoiler: it improves it)  Key Quotes  "If nothing changes, nothing changes"  "Everything is energy" (referencing Masaru Emoto's water crystal experiments)  "Hard now, easy later. Easy now, hard later. Take your pick."  "Why in the world would you just want to go back to who you were?"  "You're worthy just because you exist—that's enough of a reason"  For Coaches and Practitioners  Critical reminder: Betrayal is a different type of trauma requiring a different way to heal. The right tools at the wrong time will set clients back. Beautiful tools that work with other clients may not work with betrayal clients. If your tools aren't working, there's very likely betrayal at the root.  Action Steps  Question your worthiness beliefs: Where did they come from? Do they still serve you?  Experiment with self-compassion: Try replacing one critical thought with kindness  Test the productivity myth: Take intentional time away and observe what happens  Pull the thread: Start questioning beliefs that no longer serve you  Rebuild intentionally: Don't just heal—decide who you want to become  Bottom Line  Betrayal shatters everything, which means you get to intentionally rebuild. Take on worthiness. Take on self-compassion. You're healing from one of the most painful human experiences—you deserve both.  If you're a coach, healer or practitioner interested in learning how to effectively guide clients through betrayal recovery, learn more about PBT Certification at https://thepbtinstitute.com

Dr. Debi breaks down the fundamental differences between betrayal and other types of trauma, explaining why traditional trauma recovery approaches often fall short for betrayal survivors.  Key Insights  The Three Core Discoveries from Dr. Debi's PhD Research:  Betrayal is a different type of trauma that requires a different approach to heal  Most people who've been betrayed experience symptoms of Post Betrayal Syndrome®  There are five predictable stages of recovery, with most people getting stuck at Stage 3  Why Betrayal Trauma Is Unique  The Dual Rebuilding Process Unlike other traumas where you rebuild your life, betrayal requires you to rebuild both your life AND your sense of self. The core aspects that get shattered include:  Confidence  Worthiness  Trust  Belonging  Sense of safety  Complete Reality Disruption With other traumas (car accidents, natural disasters, loss), your perception of reality stays intact. With betrayal:  Your entire worldview gets destroyed  Past memories become tainted and questioned  Every moment you shared is reexamined through a new, painful lens  Your trust in the person who was supposed to be your safest person is shattered  The Self-Trust Crisis When the person you trusted most proves untrustworthy, you immediately question yourself:  "How did I not see this?"  "What's wrong with my judgment?"  "Can I ever trust my own decisions again?"  This creates a paralyzing fear about moving forward and engaging with others.  Identity Destruction Betrayal triggers a complete identity crisis:  Your roles are questioned  Your sense of self is shattered  You take it personally, wondering if you're lovable, worthy, or deserving  Everything you thought you knew about yourself comes into question  Why Traditional Trauma Treatment Fall Short When it Comes to Betrayal  Standard trauma approaches focus on:  Processing the event  Reducing fear  Building coping skills  Increasing sense of safety  But these don't address:  The shattering of self-trust  The identity crisis  The complete disruption of reality and worldview  The unique isolation that comes with betrayal  The Isolation Factor  Unlike other traumas where communities rally together (like natural disasters or loss of a loved one), betrayal creates unique isolation:  People don't know what to say, so they say nothing  Friends and family may distance themselves out of discomfort  Some may minimize the betrayal to avoid dealing with it  The betrayed often suffers in silence, embarrassed and ashamed  Many cover for the betrayer to maintain appearances, suffering at their own expense  The Impossible Burden  After betrayal, people who've been betrayed are expected to:  Continue caring for children and elderly parents  Maintain their careers  Keep up with daily responsibilities  Function normally in society  All while their entire world has been shattered and they're questioning everything about themselves and their reality.  For Coaches and Practitioners  This is what your clients may be experiencing even if they haven't explicitly told you about a betrayal. They may be:  Struggling and suffering in silence  Unable to hold coherent thoughts  Barely functioning day-to-day  Covering for their betrayer while dealing with the devastation alone  Understanding these unique aspects of betrayal trauma is essential for providing effective support and guidance.    About Dr. Debi Dr. Debi Silber is the Founder and CEO of The PBT Institute, a two-time TEDx speaker, and holds a PhD in transpersonal psychology. Her groundbreaking research on betrayal led to the discovery of Post Betrayal Syndrome® and the 5 Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough™.  Resources  Learn more about becoming a PBT-Certified Coach or Practitioner at ThePBTInstitute.com  Listen to the "From Betrayal to Breakthrough" podcast (top 1.5% globally) 

In this episode, Dr. Debi shares why unhealed betrayal is the hidden barrier preventing your clients from achieving breakthrough results—and how the PBT® (Post Betrayal Transformation®) Certification equips coaches, healers, and practitioners to create deeper, more predictable transformations.  What You'll Learn:  Why time doesn't heal betrayal (and what actually does)  The shocking statistics: How unhealed betrayal impacts health, work, and relationships  Why your best coaching strategies fall short when betrayal is at the root  The research-backed framework that moves clients through the 5 predictable stages from betrayal to breakthrough  How PBT® certification complements (not replaces) your existing coaching tools  Simple diagnostic questions to identify unhealed betrayal in your clients  Key Statistics Revealed:  84% of those who've experienced betrayal struggle to trust (impacting team collaboration and leadership)  81% feel a loss of personal power (leading to self-sabotage)  68% can't focus or concentrate (reducing workplace productivity)  47% experience weight and digestive issues (that no diet can fix)  80% are hypervigilant (preventing intimate connections)  Who This Certification Is For:  Life, health, business, and leadership coaches  Relationship and mindset coaches  Healers, therapists, counselors, psychologists  HR leaders working with impacted employees  Practitioners using modalities like yoga, reiki, EMDR, or EFT  Benefits of PBT® Certification:  Specialize in a massive, underserved niche  Increase income (specialist vs. generalist positioning)  Gain 4 ICF CEUs  Join our certified coaches directory for client referrals  Access retreat opportunities, podcast features, and ongoing mentorship  Bring research-backed credibility to your practice  Current Enrollment Bonuses:  $500 discount with code GIFT500  Listing in the PBT® Certified Coaches Directory  First 10 enrollees: Guest feature on the top 1.5% ranked "From Betrayal to Breakthrough" podcast  PBT Pro Program Add-On Includes:  Featured spotlight in the directory  Podcast guest feature  Discounted retreat pass ($1,800 value)  PBT® Assessment Toolkit with 5 ready-to-use client assessments  Learn More: Visit thepbtinstitute.com/get-certified     Dr. Debi Silber is the Founder and CEO of The PBT Institute, a PhD researcher who discovered Post Betrayal Syndrome®, and creator of the 5 Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough™ framework. With 34+ years of experience, she's helped thousands transform their most painful experiences into unprecedented growth. 

Join host Dr. Debi as she sits down with Gretta Perlmutter, a certified PBT® coach who specializes in helping people heal from ghosting. Gretta shares her personal journey from being ghosted multiple times to becoming an expert in understanding this painful form of betrayal and helping others move forward with confidence.    Key Topics Covered  Gretta's Personal Story  Being ghosted multiple times in business, friendships, and dating  The shocking experience of being ghosted after a multi-day trip invitation  The mental health toll and unhealthy coping mechanisms  The journey from self-blame to self-empowerment  Turning pain into purpose through coaching and content creation  Understanding Ghosting  Why People Ghost:  Avoidance - Unwilling to experience the emotional labor of difficult conversations  Malicious Intent - Using silence to hurt and control others  Accidental - Truly unable to reach out (medical emergencies, lost contact info, tech glitches)  Warning Signs Someone Might Ghost You:  History of ghosting others  Regular use of the silent treatment  Consistent avoidance of conflict and emotional conversations  The "slow ghost" - gradually fading from your life  Actions that don't align with their words  The Emotional Impact  Feelings of unworthiness and invisibility  Grief over the loss of the relationship and imagined future  Anxiety, sadness, and confusion  Physical symptoms like inability to eat or sleep  The shock of going from feeling seen and heard to feeling deleted  The Healing Journey  Key Realizations:  Ghosting says nothing about you and everything about the ghost  You're not responsible for other people's behaviors  Your worth doesn't depend on anyone else's approval or actions  Not everyone shows up in the world with the same level of kindness and respect  Practical Steps to Heal:  Take care of your mind, body, and heart  Honor your emotions without judgment  Focus on people who are actively choosing you  Reach out to understanding friends, family, or specialized coaches  Stop analyzing the ghost and focus on your own healing  Give yourself what you wanted from them  If You Think You're Being Ghosted:  Reach out casually 2-3 times maximum  Give them the benefit of the doubt initially  Don't keep messaging into an echo chamber  End the relationship on your terms with a clear, dignified message  Example: "I haven't heard from you in a while, and I'm not sure why. I'm disappointed that you haven't communicated with me. This dynamic isn't working for me, so I'm ending this relationship. Take care of yourself."  If the Ghost Returns:  Take your time deciding how to proceed  Remember: You don't owe them anything  People can change, but they often don't  If you choose to reconnect, do it slowly after investing in your recovery  They need to show they've changed and are trustworthy  Build an entirely new relationship with clear boundaries  The Power of PBT® Coaching  How the five stages of betrayal recovery framework applies to ghosting  The importance of not ghosting yourself during the healing process  Moving from analyzing the betrayer to focusing on personal healing  The transformation from stage three (learning about the betrayal) to stage four (focusing on self)    Memorable Quotes  "Ghosting says nothing about you, and it speaks volumes about the ghost. This is their behavior issue."  "Your worth doesn't depend on anyone else's approval, feelings or actions. Never put your worth in a ghost's hands."  "Not everyone is showing up in the world like I am, not everyone has the same level of kindness and dignity and respect."  "Stop analyzing the people who have ghosted me, and start focusing on myself. How can I heal? What do I need? How can I not ghost myself?"  "When you take that healing seriously, you become a version of you you didn't have access to."    Resources  Connect with Gretta Perlmutter:  Website: https://www.copingwithghosting.com/  Podcast: Coping with Ghosting  Social Media: @copingwithghosting (TikTok, Instagram)  Facebook Group: Coping with Ghosting (free and private)  Upcoming Book: "Coping with Ghosting in Love and Dating"  Connect with Dr. Debi  The PBT Institute  The PBT Coach Certification Program  Recommended Episode:  "What to Do When the Person Who Ghosted You Returns" (Coping with Ghosting podcast) 

After 450 episodes, the podcast takes a new direction as host Dr. Debi shares the deeply personal story behind the Post Betrayal Transformation® (PBT®) Certification Program—the only research-based program for healing from betrayal using the Five Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough.  What You'll Learn  The Personal Journey  How childhood betrayal and later spousal betrayal led to a transformative healing journey  The decision to pursue a PhD in Transpersonal Psychology while barely functioning  Discovering the Five Stages of Betrayal Recovery through rigorous research and personal implementation  The vulnerable choice to share this private story to help others heal  The Research Behind PBT  Why there was no deep-dive study on the lived experience of betrayal  How the "Fab 14" women contributed to groundbreaking research  The moment a study chair recognized a documented process in the findings  Moving from theory to proven methodology through personal experience  Physical and Emotional Healing  Understanding Post Betrayal Syndrome®  symptoms and their impact  How healing affects sleep, immune system, weight, and overall wellbeing  Why traditional therapy often keeps people stuck in the same patterns  The difference between staying in Stage 3 (quicksand) versus moving to Stages 4 and 5  The Certification Program  Why teaching coaches and practitioners creates exponential healing  How the certification includes personal healing work before teaching others  Real transformations: new businesses, restored health, rebuilt relationships  The vision of reaching thousands through trained practitioners rather than one-on-one work  Impact on Different Professions  Life Coaches: Helping clients who can't focus or move forward  Business Coaches: Supporting entrepreneurs who can't sell or promote themselves  Health Coaches: Understanding why clients sabotage healthy protocols  Leadership Coaches: Addressing trust issues that lead to micromanaging  Parents: Becoming role models of resilience for their children  Key Takeaways  Betrayal is uniquely traumatic—it shatters trust and creates physical symptoms  Healing is possible through a structured, research-based approach  The Five Stages can shorten decades of pain into a manageable healing journey  Transformation creates access to a version of yourself you didn't have before  Sharing your story, despite vulnerability, can create mass healing  Memorable Quotes  "Get out of the way. Your ego and pride are preventing people from healing."  "This work can shorten someone's pain by decades."  "Stage 3 is quicksand—it's where most people get stuck."  "Nothing was as painful for me as betrayal, and nothing feels better than transforming from it."  Resources Mentioned  PBT®  (Post Betrayal Transformation®) Certification Program  The PBT®  Institute  Previous TEDx talks: "Stop Sabotaging Yourself" and "Do You Have Post Betrayal Syndrome?"  Book: Trust Again  About Post Betrayal Syndrome®  Post Betrayal Syndrome includes symptoms such as:  Sleep disruption and fatigue  Weakened immune system  Weight gain (especially around midsection)  Inability to focus or concentrate  Emotional overwhelm and triggers  Who This Episode Is For  Anyone who has experienced betrayal (family, partner, friend, coworker)  Coaches, therapists, counselors, and practitioners wanting to help betrayal survivors  Health and wellness professionals whose clients are stuck or self-sabotaging  Anyone interested in trauma recovery and transformation  People seeking to turn their pain into purpose  Next Steps  If you're interested in the PBT®  Certification Program or want to learn more about the Five Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough, visit the PBT®  Institute or reach out with questions and comments. 

Guest  Dr. Rosenna Bakari - Psychologist, Entrepreneur, and Transformational Guide  Episode Overview  In this powerful conversation, Dr. Rosina BaKari shares her wisdom on letting go of what no longer serves us and stepping into our next best chapters. As a psychologist and entrepreneur, Dr. BaKari brings both professional expertise and personal experience to guide listeners through the challenging but essential process of transformation after betrayal and life's hardest moments.  Key Topics Discussed  The Journey to Entrepreneurship  How becoming an entrepreneur forced Dr. BaKari to stop hiding  The challenge of working alone and the fear that kept her isolated  Recognizing when "personality traits" are actually fear-based responses  Understanding and Navigating Fear  Why action is the only way through fear  How fear gnaws at us when we avoid what needs to be done  Taking baby steps instead of giant leaps  The Art of Letting Go  Why "just let it go" doesn't work  The 7X Framework: Seven areas that prevent us from moving forward  Betrayal and silence  Emotional dependency  Stagnant relationships  Complacency  Indoctrination  Loss of passion and purpose  Ego and identity  Forgiveness vs. Acceptance  Why you shouldn't rush to forgive  Letting forgiveness arise naturally from healing  Striving for acceptance before forgiveness  Meeting yourself where you are instead of where you think you should be  Radical Self-Centeredness  What it really means to be radically self-centered  Why serving from an empty cup doesn't work  Centering yourself in your own healing journey  The importance of self-preservation over people-pleasing  Seeds of Disempowerment  How childhood conditioning shapes our adult responses  The concept of "disempowerment by 1,000 cuts"  Recognizing subtle experiences of emotional disempowerment  Why we acquiesce in adulthood based on childhood patterns  The Morning Practice  Starting your day with five minutes of intentional self-reflection  Deciding who you want to be before your day begins  Creating self-awareness throughout the day  Noticing when you drift from your intentions  Rebuilding After the Crash  Why betrayal can be a catalyst for transformation  The opportunity to create something radically different  Not wasting trauma by just trying to get back to "normal"  Building a life that's bigger and more beautiful than before  Key Quotes & Insights  "If it were that easy, we'd all do it right? It's the processes that matter."  "Don't rush forgiveness. Let forgiveness arise from the healing."  "Be where you are. So often we don't allow ourselves to just be in the present moment."  "You can't pour from an empty cup. The more full you are, the better for everybody."  "Why would you rebuild what you had? Give it everything the old house didn't have."  "There's a gap between what we want and what we really want. Spend time digging into what really brings you joy."  Actionable Takeaways  Practice the Morning Five Minutes: Before getting out of bed, spend five minutes deciding who you want to be that day  Identify Your X Factor: Determine which of the seven areas is blocking your progress  Take Baby Steps: Don't try to transform overnight; take the next closest step in the right direction  Center Yourself: Practice radical self-centeredness in your healing journey  Question Your Conditioning: Examine which behaviors are truly you versus learned responses from childhood  Create Space for Clarity: Ask yourself what you really want, not what you think you should want  Resources  Connect with Dr. Rosina BaKari:  Website: RosinaBaKari.com  Instagram: @RosinaBaKari  Perfect For Listeners Who:  Are recovering from betrayal or major life disruptions  Struggle with letting go of past hurts  Feel stuck in patterns that no longer serve them  Want to create meaningful transformation in their lives  Are ready to step into their next chapter with intention    Want to dive deeper into transformation after betrayal? Subscribe to the podcast and leave a review to help others find these conversations. 

The holiday season can be especially challenging for those who've experienced betrayal. This episode explores how coaches and practitioners can help clients navigate the pain that surfaces during this time and introduces the strategic framework of the five stages from betrayal to breakthrough.  Key Topics Covered  The Holiday Challenge  The holidays bring up complex emotions for those who've been betrayed:  Memories of past celebrations become painful  Questions arise about what the betrayer was thinking during previous happy moments  The season amplifies unresolved trauma  How Unhealed Betrayal Shows Up  Betrayal affects clients across all coaching specialties:  Health Coaches: Clients may struggle with emotional eating, binging, or sabotaging healthy protocols due to underlying betrayal trauma.  Digestive Health Practitioners: 45% of betrayed individuals develop gut issues (Crohn's, IBS, diverticulitis, constipation, diarrhea). Even excellent protocols may fail without addressing the root betrayal.  Business Coaches: Clients may sabotage success, struggle with confidence, avoid promoting themselves, or have difficulty delegating due to shattered trust.  Life Coaches: Clients appear stuck, unable to find clarity or purpose because they're trapped in betrayal trauma.  The Five Stages Framework  Understanding where clients are stuck is crucial:  Stage 2: Nervous system dysregulation prevents clients from hearing suggestions  Stage 3: The most common stuck point where clients settle for "solid ground" rather than pursuing growth  Stages 4 & 5: Where transformation happens—new health levels, passion projects, businesses, and relationships become possible  Signs Your Protocols Aren't Working  Client demonstrates patterns of self-sabotage  Excellent strategies fail to produce results  Client seems unable to move forward despite wanting to  Symptoms persist despite proper treatment  The Transformation Process  When betrayal is addressed:  Health protocols begin working effectively  Confidence returns for business pursuits  Trust rebuilds systematically  Physical symptoms of Post Betrayal Syndrome disappear  Clients look years younger as chronic stress reduces  Common Pitfalls to Avoid  Therapy Without Betrayal Expertise: Well-meaning therapists may keep clients feeling heard but stuck in Stage 3  Couples Counseling Issues: Often minimizes betrayal, lacks accountability, and frustrates the betrayed partner  Support Groups: Can inadvertently encourage people to sabotage healing to maintain their community  Numbing Behaviors: Medication, substances, work, or scrolling prevent actual healing  Why People Stay Stuck  Fear of outgrowing their support system  Fear of outgrowing their betrayer  Settling seems safer than risking more pain  Not knowing there's a roadmap forward  The Power of PBT Coaching  Certified coaches use the five-stage roadmap while bringing their unique strengths:  Some work with couples, others with individuals  Specializations include military families, faith-based approaches, empaths, men, women  All share the strategic framework while applying personal gifts  Results of Moving Through the Stages  New levels of physical health and vitality  Transformed or new relationships  Passion projects and new businesses  Access to opportunities not visible while stuck  Deep sense of fulfillment and purpose  Upcoming Opportunity  Free Masterclass: Becoming a Certified PBT Coach or Practitioner  Date: December 11 at 11am Pacific  For: Coaches, practitioners, HR professionals, therapists, doctors, counselors  Special Offer: Holiday bonus gifts available (details revealed in masterclass)  Register: ThePBTinstitute.com/certification-masterclass  Note: Replay available to all registrants  Key Takeaway  Whether you're struggling with betrayal during the holidays or you're a professional who wants to help others heal, there's a proven roadmap that shortens years of pain. The goal isn't just to return to the old life—it's to create something richer, healthier, and more fulfilling.    "The more coaches certified with their own spin, talents, and strengths, the more people get the help they need to move through something they never saw coming." 

In this transformative episode, I sit down with my own teacher and mentor, Dr. Karen Parker, to explore the fascinating world of Quantum Human Design and how our stories literally shape our biology. Dr. Parker is a pioneer who studied with the founder of traditional Human Design and has taken the system to its next evolution—helping people not just understand who they're not, but consciously create who they want to become.  What You'll Discover  Understanding Quantum Human Design  The difference between traditional Human Design and Quantum Human Design  How Human Design synthesizes Eastern and Western astrology, the Chinese I Ching, Hindu chakra system, and Judaic Kabbalah  Why getting back into your body is essential for authentic decision-making  The evolution from learning "who you're not" to consciously creating "who you choose to become"  The Biology of Our Stories  How victim-based narratives actually lower immune response (IgA levels)  The physiological changes that occur when you reframe your story  Why optimists live longer and have longer telomeres  The connection between storytelling and post-traumatic growth  Moving Beyond Survival  Why defining ourselves as "survivors" keeps us stuck at a minimal baseline  The danger of stopping your story at the cliffhanger  How to move from surviving to thriving through the redemption arc  The Stage 3 trap: how repeating our betrayal story keeps us stuck  The Story Lab Process  A creative, fun approach to rewriting your narrative (yes, it can be enjoyable!)  Using creative writing to bypass logic and reasoning patterns  Why taking your story "out of time" creates powerful shifts  Real-life example: How one woman transformed from victim to empowered protector  Key Takeaways  Your story creates your identity, and your identity calls in experiences that validate it. Breaking this cycle requires conscious narrative reframing.  Healing doesn't have to be a crisis. The Story Lab process proves that transformation can actually be creative, playful, and fun.  Check in with your body. After sharing your betrayal story, does your body feel light, open, and expansive? Or heavy and contracted? Your body knows the truth.  The power of the redemption arc. Your story doesn't end at the betrayal—that's just the catalyst. The real story is what happens next and who you become.  Powerful Exercise to Try  Draw a horizontal line across a piece of paper. The left represents your birth, the right represents where you are now. Mark all the significant experiences in your life along this timeline. Then ask yourself: "Did I stop my story at the cliffhanger, or have I defined myself by what happened next?"  If you're still hanging at the cliffhanger, you deserve better than that.  About Dr. Karen Parker  Dr. Karen Parker holds a PhD in transpersonal psychology and is the creator of Quantum Human Design. She studied directly with the founder of traditional Human Design and spent three years in a Sound Lab testing the frequency of vocabulary to create an entirely new system that helps people consciously write their sovereign story. She's also the author of multiple books, including Quantum Wellness, which walks readers through the Story Lab process.  Connect with Dr. Karen Parker  Website: QuantumHumanDesign.com  Instagram & Facebook: @DrKarenParker22  Book: Quantum Wellness (available at major online retailers)  Stay in Touch  The PBT Institute: https://thepbtinstitute.com   My Personal Connection  As a 4/6 Manifesting Generator (Time Bender) myself, studying with Dr. Karen was life-changing. Learning about the triphasic life cycle of the 4/6 profile helped me understand why my life crashed and burned at exactly age 50—and why that was actually the beginning of my true purpose work. The concept of "finding shortcuts" as a Manifesting Generator perfectly explains why the five stages of Post Betrayal Transformation showed up in my research—it was THE shortcut to healing! 

Dr. Debi Silber, founder of the PBT® Institute, shares groundbreaking research on betrayal recovery and introduces the #1 betrayal recovery certification program specifically designed to help coaches, practitioners, and healthcare professionals guide clients through healing from betrayal.  Key Topics Covered  The Hidden Impact of Unhealed Betrayal  How unhealed betrayal shows up in relationships through repeat patterns or emotional walls  The connection between betrayal and stress-related health conditions  Impact on workplace performance, confidence, and decision-making  Three Groundbreaking Discoveries  Discovery #1: Betrayal is Different  Unlike other traumas, betrayal shatters the sense of self  Affects trust, confidence, worthiness, and belonging in unique ways  Requires a specialized healing approach  Discovery #2: PBS® Post Betrayal Syndrome®  A documented collection of physical, mental, and emotional symptoms  Based on over 100,000 data points  Time alone doesn't heal these symptoms  Discovery #3: Five Proven Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough  Predictable pathway from pain to transformation  Clear markers at each stage  Specific strategies to progress through healing  Statistics on How Betrayal Affects Work Performance  84% struggle with trust (impacts collaboration and teamwork)  88% experience extreme sadness (reduces motivation and creativity)  68% cannot focus or concentrate (decreases productivity)  78% feel overwhelmed (increases mistakes and burnout risk)  83% carry significant anger (creates workplace conflict)  47% develop weight and digestive issues  These symptoms persist regardless of when the betrayal occurred  The Transformation Model  Using the house metaphor: betrayal isn't about restoring what was (resilience), it's about rebuilding something entirely new (transformation)  Who This Certification Serves  Life, health, business, and leadership coaches  Therapists, counselors, and psychologists  HR professionals and organizational leaders  Healers and practitioners  Anyone working with clients affected by broken trust  The Certification Program  Self-paced training on the Five Stages  Includes the signature "Betrayal to Breakthrough" program  Case study work and practical coaching tools  Provides coach or practitioner designation  ICF continuing education credits available  Additional Growth Opportunity: PBT Pro  Monthly membership offering:  Live business-building sessions with Dr. Debi  Legal support and protections  Marketing and scaling strategies  Client scenario coaching  Guidance on podcasting, speaking, publishing, and more  Resources Mentioned  PBT® Institute Certification: thepbtinstitute.com/get-certified  From Betrayal to Breakthrough Podcast (top 1.5% globally)  National Forgiveness Day (September 1st annually)  Key Takeaways  Betrayal creates unique symptoms that persist until deliberately healed  Most people stay stuck in Stage 3 without proper guidance  Healing is predictable and achievable with the right framework  Specializing in betrayal recovery creates opportunities to serve an underserved population  This work complements existing coaching practices rather than replacing them  Special Bonuses Mentioned  Featured listing in coaching directory  Guest appearance on From Betrayal to Breakthrough podcast  In-person retreat ticket ($1,800 value for PBT® Pro members)  Five ready-to-use client assessments  Legal disclaimer templates  For more information about becoming certified in Post Betrayal Transformation, visit thepbtinstitute.com/get-certified