Elixir Mentor podcast

Filipe Cabaço on Vitro

6.11.2026
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1:46:11
15 Sekunden vorwärts
15 Sekunden vorwärts

Filipe Cabaço, team lead on Realtime at Supabase, returns after two years to talk about his side projects: Vitro, a browser for every AI agent with a replayable timeline of what each one did, and Ampoule, which packs an Elixir release into one file by compiling the BEAM to WebAssembly. We also get into MCP, persona testing with agents, token costs, why launching is the scary part, AI and security, and what learning and hiring look like now that agents write the code.

00:00 - Introduction

02:35 - Welcome back and ElixirConf in Chicago

05:31 - Vitro: observability for browser agents

11:01 - Persona testing with agents

13:56 - Why MCP is the right interface

16:59 - Compute off your laptop, subsidies ending

22:30 - Three AM agents and attention

24:06 - Token costs and picking models

27:47 - Side projects: doodle discs and a patio defender

33:31 - Reverse engineering bad apps with agents

37:14 - AI, hiring, and skipping university

47:07 - iHub and entrepreneur networks

49:32 - Afraid to launch your side projects

51:28 - Open source and self hosting

54:14 - Security and vibe coded leaks

57:49 - MCP auth should be SSO

59:34 - How Vitro is built: Elixir and Firecracker

1:02:48 - Market the result, not the features

1:05:51 - Tool sprawl and agent subscriptions

1:10:53 - A local AI gateway

1:14:40 - Home servers and bare metal

1:17:42 - Ampoule: Elixir anywhere via WebAssembly

1:22:48 - An Elixir mesh network on phones

1:27:32 - Cold email and deliverability

1:34:11 - Naming agents after Star Trek

1:36:39 - Why every agent needs its own browser

1:42:10 - Cloudflare's MCP and too many tools

1:44:21 - Peter Ullrich and funding the Erlang Foundation

Resources Mentioned:

- Vitro: https://vitro.run/?utm_source=elixir-mentor

- Ampoule: https://filipecabaco.github.io/ampoule/?utm_source=elixir-mentor

- ex_tauri: https://github.com/filipecabaco/ex_tauri?utm_source=elixir-mentor

- Burrito: https://github.com/burrito-elixir/burrito?utm_source=elixir-mentor

- KinSwitch: https://kinswitch.app/?utm_source=elixir-mentor

Connect with Filipe:

- X: https://x.com/filipecabaco?utm_source=elixir-mentor

- GitHub: https://github.com/filipecabaco?utm_source=elixir-mentor

- LinkedIn: (fill in)

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