RR006: How leaders must adapt now to successfully scale AI, with Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, AWS

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.In a world defined by constant change, leaders must evolve from rigid hierarchies to emotionally intelligent, empowering leadership. By fostering adaptability, continuous learning, distributed leadership, and a culture of curiosity, organisations become better equipped to navigate technological disruptions, such as AI, with resilience and innovation.This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, Executives in Residence at AWS to explore what it really takes for organisations to thrive in a world of continuous transformation, and why rigid hierarchies, control, and over-designed change programmes so often get in the way.  TLDR00:42 – Guest introduction and overview of this week’s theme01:26 – Team dig-in: A new cycle of change is on it's way19:27 – In‑depth conversation with Jana and Phil57:37 – Octopus playlist and case study highlights GuestJana Werner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janawerner1/Phil Le-Brun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillebrun/https://www.theoctopusorganization.com/ A Guide to Thriving in a World of Continuous Transformation HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.Technology and AI are rapidly transforming marketing, challenging old assumptions and shifting the focus toward analytics‑driven precision, smarter segmentation, and multimodal content. As attention becomes harder to capture and creative workflows evolve, the real advantage lies in adapting for an AI‑first environment, especially by rethinking overlooked segments like the mid‑market and being far more specific in strategy and execution. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Carlos Corredor, founder and CEO of Condor, to discuss the difference between value metrics and vanity metrics in modern marketing and why many organisations still struggle to connect marketing activity to real business results. TLDR00:32 – Introduction00:59 – Hang out: Staying healthy06:10 – Dig in: The valuable to measure with metrics17:52 – Conversation with Carlos Corredor47:15 – Looking ahead to the World Cup football GuestCarlos Corredor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-corredor-condor/HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly know nas Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.After years of remote‑first work built on swift trust, companies are asking a harder question: what does a organization really stand for when people rarely show up together? As AI accelerates change, leaders are rethinking presence, team design, and collaboration to fuel trust, innovation, and growth. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Dr. Tim Currie, disruptor, author, innovator, and advisor, to examine transformation versus trust, the role of AI, and whether organisations can truly build culture without deeper human connection. TLDR00:42– Introduction01:10 –  Hang out: New film releases07:17 – Dig in: The trust gap in remote work17:57 – Conversation with Dr. Tim Currie54:07 – The Wizard of Oz at the Sphere in Las Vegas and staying connected GuestDr. Tim Currie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-tim-currie-37756a/Book Swift Trust: https://swifttrustbook.com/HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.Business messaging is transforming customer engagement by enabling brands to move conversations into familiar, always‑on messaging platforms. The result for customers is greater convenience, quicker resolutions, and more meaningful, personalized interactions. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Kathleen Tandy, Global Director and Head of Business Messaging Marketing and WhatsApp for Business at Meta , to explore how companies are using messaging platforms to engage customers, what customers expect from these experiences, and the challenges of scaling messaging in tech.TLDR00:35 – Introduction01:00 –  Hang out: The new Remarkable05:25 – Dig in: Using messaging to enhance customer experiences20:49 – Conversation with Kathleen Tandy55:26 – The passion for college football and championship weekend!GuestKathleen Tandy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kptandy/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry, and tech. Energy transportation is a deeply local business, safely delivering gas and electricity, more and more from renewable sources, directly to the communities it serves. Technology and AI help make that possible by strengthening safety, bringing companies closer to customers, and enabling teams to build the future together. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by John Koerwer, CIO of UGI Corporation, to explore explore why “the business” and tech still struggle to speak the same language, nd what helps close the gap.TLDR00:35 – Introduction01:17 – Hang out: new toys and coffee07:55 – Dig in: the business - tech divide21:07 – Conversation with John Koerwer59:40 – The amazing AI technology in The Sphere's version of The Wizard of OzGuestJohn Koerwer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-koerwer-46102127/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, and tech. Hosts Dave Chapman, Esmee van de Giessen, and Rob Kernahan unpack 2026’s defining trends, from AI and sovereignty to adaptability and automation, offering fresh insight, candid reflections, and forward‑looking conversations shaping the year ahead. TLDR00:20 – Introduction of Realities Remixed02:30 – Why the show evolved?04:50 – Dig in with the team: Predictions for 202606:40 – Macro trends13:00 – Sovereignty 17:40 – Agentic AI22:17 – Human–AI interaction26:06 – Cloud trends30:42 – AI scaling, domain‑specific models35:03 – Adoption lag39:34 – Physical AI43:47 – Quantum computing48:21 – Hardware acceleration50:30 – Cybersecurity52:38 – Season outlook HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

On Cloud Realities, the real insight rarely came from technology alone, it emerged at the intersection of People, Culture, Industry, and Technology. In the remix we bring back familiar voices and topics while going deeper into the wider impacts, influence, and potential of today’s tech across society. The 2026 season trailer, arriving a little later than planned, opens with this renewed focus and sets the stage for Episode 1, launching on February 19. Here’s a quick trailer to get you ready!TLDR00:11 The emergence of insight from Cloud Realities01:00  Where the magic happens 01:42 The real impact on People, Culture, Industry and Tech HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

From all of us at Cloud Realities, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! Back in our December 2022 Christmas special, we explored the far reaches of reality, asking whether we live in a simulation and if that even matters. Now, we return to that question with fresh perspectives and new challenges…In this last Cloud Realities podcast of 2025, Dave, Esmee and Rob return to the simulation with Anders Indset, philosopher, author, and long-time friend of the show, revisiting a question that’s been quietly running underneath everything we’ve discussed since 2022: If reality itself is information and what does that mean for being human? TLDR:00:58 – It’s Christmas!08:32 – Major announcement and reflections on the Cloud Realities podcast journey15:32 – Celebrating three big wins: B2B Marketing Awards (Best Content, Best Customer Retention) and The Drum (Best Creative Audio)22:55 – Is there a next thing?23:30 – Welcoming Anders Indset, who shares his vision for practical philosophy and the future of human/AI co-evolution32:02 – Exploring the Quantum Economy and the Singularity Paradox58:10 – Deep dive into the Simulation Hypothesis, revisiting the 2022 discussion and Rob is again confused...01:27:45 – Anders enjoying Christmas in the Norwegian wilderness01:29:40 – Edit pointGuestAnders Indset: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ or andersindset.comAdditional information: thequantumeconomy.com and tomorrowmensch.comHostsDave Chapmanger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Gluhwein: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Snowmananahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionDr Mike van Der Buabbles: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapmanger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Jingle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Snow:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

In this last episode of the special AI mini-series, we now explore the human side of transformation, where technology meets purpose and people remain at the center. From future jobs and critical thinking to working with C-level leaders, how human intervention and high-quality data drive success in an AI-powered world.This week Dave, Esmee , Rob sit down with Johanna Hutchinson, CDO at BAE systems about why data matters, the rise of Sovereign AI, and the skills shaping the intelligence age. TLDR00:55 Introduction of Johanna Hutchinson02:09 Explaining the State of AI mini-series with Craig06:01 Conversation with Johanna34:20 Weaving today’s data tapestries with AI40:20 Going to a rave GuestJohanna Hutchinson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johanna-hutchinson-95b95568/ HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/with co-host Craig Suckling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigsuckling/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

AI is transforming software development—redefining roles, creativity, and community, while challenging developers to embrace ambiguity, orchestrate specialized agents, and stay human through empathy and curiosity. Will AI make developers more creative, or will we forget how the machine really works under the hood?This week Dave, Esmee , Rob sit down with Scott Hanselman, VP Developer Community at Microsoft for a wildly energetic, deeply human, and brilliantly practical conversation about how AI is reshaping software development and what that means for creativity, careers, and all industries. TLDR00:30 – Scott Hanselman introduced as a special guest from Microsoft Ignite 2025.02:16 – Scott discusses how AI is fundamentally redesigning all industries.09:50 – Don’t anthropomorphize AI, I want the computer from Star Trek!15:30 – Delegation: contrasting the roles of humans and agents.18:30 – The importance of supporting early career growth and learning.26:30 – Why specificity matters in AI and coding.35:30 – Making AI delightful and fun.45:30 – Always put humans first in AI development.46:00 – Each morning I think about lunch. GuestScott Hanselman: https://www.hanselman.com/The Hanselminutes Podcast: https://www.hanselman.com/podcasts with over 1025 podcasts! HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini