Balanced literacy didn’t work—will balanced math? with Ben Solomon (Ep 54)

In this episode, Anna Stokke speaks with Dr. Ben Solomon, professor and researcher at the University at Albany with expertise in math assessment and intervention. Ben returns to the podcast to discuss “balanced math” and the recently released New York math briefs, which are part of the state’s numeracy initiative, and are set to shape professional development across New York. He explains why he and his colleagues launched a petition calling for the retraction of the briefs, pointing to omissions, misleading claims, and misuse of the term “evidence based.” They also unpack common math myths, such as the claim that timed tests cause math anxiety, and highlight the importance of explicit instruction while drawing parallels to balanced literacy and the reading wars. This timely conversation is essential for educators, policymakers, and anyone committed to improving math education. This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke Petition to Retract the New York Math Briefs: https://shorturl.at/bN7PF Masterclass: Evidence-informed Mathematics Teaching, La Trobe University https://shortcourses.latrobe.edu.au/masterclass-evidence-informed-mathematics-teaching   TIMESTAMPS [00:00:23] Introduction [00:04:22] Understanding the New York Math Briefs [00:09:46] The science of learning and its frameworks [00:16:18] Myth 1: Time Testing causes Math Anxiety [00:22:00] Myth 2: Explicit Instruction is Only for Students with Disabilities [00:27:10] What is Explicit Instruction? [00:29:45] The Importance of Explicit Instruction [00:34:07] Similarities between Balanced Literacy and Balanced Math [00:38:30] The Fundamental Misunderstandings of Explicit Instruction [00:41:51] Myth 3: Structured Practice of Math Facts and Standard Algorithms Isn’t Useful [00:43:56] Misconceptions about Conceptual Understanding [00:47:13] Myth 4: Discovery Learning Should be Prioritized in the Early Stages of Acquisition [00:51:50] The New York Math Scores [00:57:03] The Benefits of Math Fluency Programs [00:58:52] Replacement Documents for the New York Math Briefs [1:05:38] Final Thoughts   RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES  Red flags in education research with Dr. Ben Solomon https://www.annastokke.com/podcast/episode/3a372141/red-flags-in-education-research-with-ben-solomon-ep-23 How to build automaticity with math facts (Anna Stokke) https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3ny3k-17323a9 Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/math-fact-crisis-strategies-for-improving-numeracy-with-brian-poncy/ Do timed tests cause math anxiety? with Robin Codding https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-17-do-timed-tests-cause-math-anxiety-with-robin-codding/ Universal screening in math with Amanda VanDerHeyden https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/universal-screening-in-math-with-amanda-vanderheyden-ep-50/ From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/from-decline-to-top-rankings-how-england-transformed-education-with-nick-gibb-ep-49/ Teachers Talk Radio https://www.ttradio.org/   RESOURCES Found here: https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-54-resources/   EPISODE TRANSCRIPT Found here: https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-54-transcript/   MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social

In this episode, Anna Stokke chats with Brendan Lee, a teacher and educational consultant focused on bridging the gap between educational research and classroom practice. They discuss the instructional hierarchy and how teachers can tailor their teaching based on where students are in their learning journey––whether it’s the acquisition, fluency, generalisation, or adaptation stage. Brendan shares practical strategies and actionable advice that teachers can immediately apply in the classroom to better support student learning. This is an insightful discussion that will leave educators feeling informed, inspired, and ready to take on their next lesson.   Brendan Lee’s website: www.learnwithlee.net This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke   TIMESTAMPS [00:00:23] Introduction [00:03:15] Understanding the Instructional Hierarchy [00:04:40] The acquisition stage [00:08:28] Teacher’s Talk Radio [00:10:39] Students’ struggles in the acquisition stage [00:12:48] Effective teaching techniques in the acquisition stage [00:19:37] Think-alouds: The meaning and purpose [00:23:45] Concrete-Pictorial-Abstract [00:33:47] Backwards fading method [00:34:58] Make or break method [00:36:50] Fluency stage: what teaching techniques work best [00:47:34] Generalization/adaptation stage [00:55:11] When to use teaching tools [01:00:55] Advice for new teachers using the Instructional Hierarchy   RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES  Reclaiming learning time to boost literacy and numeracy with Ross Fox https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpy4n-188c9c5 Supporting students with math difficulties with Sarah Powell https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-ciqgm-17def6b Math fact crisis: Strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773 Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f793 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-53-transcript  MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social

In this episode, Anna Stokke has an engaging conversation Dr. Alex Kontorovich, a math professor at Rutgers University with a strong passion for math outreach. They explore why practice in math is often undervalued compared to disciplines like music or sports. They also discuss Math Corps, which is a summer math program for kids that combines evidence-based learning strategies with high expectations. Alex recently founded a Math Corps chapter in New Brunswick, New Jersey.  The episode wraps up with a lively discussion about A Mathematician's Lament by Paul Lockhart, sparked by a comment from a listener. Whether you're a teacher, a parent, a mathematician, or simply someone interested in education, this episode has something for you. This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction   [00:02:54] The value of math practice  [00:08:11] Engaging in math outreach  [00:11:44] Rutgers Math Corps: Structure and curriculum  [00:21:41] When research confirms what experience already knew  [00:24:05] Why times tables fluency matters  [00:30:07] Science of learning techniques in Math Corps  [00:35:42] Using hand gestures and building classroom culture  [00:40:01] Gamification  [00:42:23] Why well-meaning schools still produce poor results  [00:49:37] Discussion on A Mathematician's Lament  [01:16:03] Conclusion and final thoughts  RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES How we learn:  Naïve, purposeful, and deliberate practice with Stephen Chew https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-mrwn2-18adce0 Math Academy: Optimizing student learning with Alex Smith and Justin Skycak https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jawpr-181e0c3 Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1 Modern relevance in the math curriculum with Brian Conrad https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-gek66-148967a EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-52-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-52-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social  

In this episode, Anna Stokke chats with Bruno Reddy, a math teacher and the creator of Times Tables Rock Stars. They discuss his journey from founding a school to creating Times Tables Rock Stars to address foundational skill gaps. Bruno shares great ideas for generating excitement in the math classroom and motivating students to practice essential math facts. They also discuss the importance of math fluency, insights from a teacher exchange in Shanghai, and effective teaching strategies such as mastery learning and variation theory.  This is an energizing conversation full of useful takeaways for anyone passionate about improving math outcomes. Times Tables Rock Stars will be running national and regional competitions in Australia and New Zealand in August, September and October, 2025.  Follow their socials on Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn for more information. Times Tables Rockstars: https://ttrockstars.com TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction [00:04:50] The origin story of Times Tables Rock Stars [00:14:20] Global times tables competitions  [00:15:38] The impact of TTRS on math outcomes [00:18:20] How to motivate students to practice [00:22:56] The importance of positive math experiences [00:28:25] Choral chants and community building [00:30:54] Lessons learned from the Shanghai teacher exchange program [00:34:50] Variation theory [00:43:37] Implementing mastery learning  [00:50:28] Fluency: What most math programs get wrong [00:52:29] The importance of times tables [00:56:05] Finding common ground in educational debates  RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-zps9p-18c1e97 Math fact crisis: Strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773 Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f7937 How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-3ny3k-17323a9 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-51-transcript MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions: Avoiding the Backroom, Neatly Folded, Cornicob, Partly Sage Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social  

Host and math professor Anna Stokke talks to Dr. Amanda VanDerHeyden about a topic many Chalk & Talk listeners have asked about: universal screening in math. Amanda explains what universal screening is, why it matters, and how schools can use it to identify students who need extra support.  They also discuss how to choose validated screeners, common mistakes to avoid, and how screening connects to effective intervention. This is a practical, informative episode for teachers, school leaders, and anyone looking to strengthen math instruction. [00:00:00] Introduction   [00:04:17] Overview of universal screening  [00:07:51] Universal screening in math vs reading  [00:11:36] How to find validated screening tools  [00:19:32] Should screeners match the curriculum?  [00:23:31] 145 math skills that forecast success and when to teach them  [00:29:24] The problem with making screeners too easy  [00:31:37] Is Acadience a good screening tool?   [00:32:43] Comparing reading and math screening systems  [00:37:09] Recap: What to look for in a good screener  [00:40:12] Frequency and timing of screening  [00:44:18] The growing importance of math screening  [00:48:45] Addressing teacher concerns with screening results  [00:52:31] Conclusion and final thoughts  RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bksbz-13c732d Math and the myth of ability with John Mighton https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-22c7a-139dc72 Reading and math: Parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6 Supporting students with math difficulties with Sarah Powell https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-ciqgm-17def6b Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-50-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-50-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Podington Bear:  No Squirrel Commotion Blue Dot Sessions:  Avoiding the Backroom, Momentary Ease Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social  

In this episode, Anna Stokke interviews The Right Honourable Sir Nick Gibb, former Minister of State for Schools in England. Nick discusses the bold, evidence-based reforms he led over a decade to reverse declining academic performance in English schools. From phonics-based reading instruction to math mastery, he explains how high expectations, rigorous curricula, and a focus on teacher training transformed outcomes—helping England rise to 4th in the world in reading on PIRLS and one of the highest-performing countries on TIMSS.  This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in meaningful education reform. TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction  [00:04:05] The state of English education in 2005 [00:05:50] Problems with progressive education [00:08:12] Math teaching in England before the reforms [00:13:13] Education: A non-partisan issue [00:14:48] Learning about math teaching from Shanghai and Singapore [00:18:01] Competency-based curriculum debate [00:22:00] Reading reforms  [00:26:09] Resistance to the phonics movement [00:32:10] Math reforms implemented for primary education [00:38:08] Attention to detail in curriculum development [00:41:11] Debates on educational standards [00:42:41] Reforming initial teacher training [00:48:24] The Education Endowment Foundation [00:50:21] Liberating the teaching profession  [00:55:07] How the reforms improved student outcomes [00:57:42] Educational outcomes in Scotland and Wales [01:00:38] The future of education reforms [01:06:24] Advice for policymakers and advocates [01:16:00] Reflections and closing remarks RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Education myth-busting with Daisy Christodoulou https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080 The tweet that roared with Tom Bennett https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpgqn-14326ef Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sachdeva and Jim Hewitt https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-49-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-49-resources  MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Oy Studio: Light comedy Blue Dot Sessions: Avoiding the Backroom, Neatly folded, Momentary Ease, Balti Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social

Join math professor Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Stephen Chew, a cognitive psychologist at Samford University. They explore the different types of practice—naive, purposeful, and deliberate—and why understanding these distinctions can transform teaching and improve learning. The discussion also covers how to use feedback effectively, structure worked examples in math class, address common student misconceptions, and build trust in the classroom. They even tackle the term “active learning"—whether it actually means anything useful, and why the research on it may not be as clear as it seems. Packed with practical advice and research-based strategies, this episode is a must-listen for educators at all levels. NOTE: The resource page contains research articles mentioned in the episode: https://www.annastokke.com/resources/episode-48-resources TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction [00:02:53] Understanding naive, purposeful, and deliberate practice [00:13:46] The importance of feedback in learning [00:20:03] Effective use of worked examples [00:25:13] Addressing student misconceptions [00:31:18] Debunking learning myths: Struggle and engagement [00:34:58] Is active learning just a buzzword? [00:37:40] The problem with research on active learning [00:42:35] Nine cognitive challenges for effective teaching [00:44:51] Building trust in the classroom [00:47:55] Desirable difficulties vs. unnecessary challenges [00:51:23] Formative assessment techniques for large classes [00:53:47] The complexity and importance of teaching [00:54:32] Bridging the gap between research and practice RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 2. Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df Ep 4. Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashman https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-thbad-13cea56 Ep 7. How to excel in math and other tough subject with Barbara Oakley https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bqs8p-14068f2 Ep 16. Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-48-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/resources/episode-48-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Cornicob, Momentary Ease, Town Market, Noe Noe Podington Bear – Proliferate Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social  

In this special mailbag episode, Anna Stokke tackles two listener questions and a comment. She breaks down a logic puzzle that stumped some fans, explains why relying on calculators isn’t a substitute for math fact fluency, and highlights comments from a listener about encouraging literacy trends in several Southern U.S. states. TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction and Mailbag Announcement [00:01:08] Question 1: Logic Problem from Episode 40 [00:04:47] Question 2: Can calculators replace math fact fluency? [00:12:00] Comment on states that buck the declining scores trend The Southern Surge: Understanding the Bright Spots in the Literacy Landscape https://www.karenvaites.org/p/the-southern-surge-understanding RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES  Ep 40 From math to science: How weak math skills hurt students https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-mqims-17b512f Ep 36 How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3ny3k-17323a9 Ep 29 Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773 Ep 30 Math Fluency matters with Brian Poncy  https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e Ep 45 A decade of decline: Examining falling test scores with Mike Petrilli https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-qeajx-187272a EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-47-transcript MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Momentary Ease, Neatly Folded Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social

In Episode 46, Anna Stokke chats with Australian education leader Ross Fox. As the former Director of Catholic Education for the Archdiocese of Canberra and Goulburn, Ross led a major shift in teaching practices that led to significant gains in both literacy and numeracy.  The episode begins with an overview of the Australian education system.  They then explore Ross’s implementation of the Catalyst program—an initiative grounded in the science of learning. Ross discusses how high-impact teaching strategies and high-quality instructional materials led to measurable improvements in achievement, reduced inequities, and enhanced student motivation and behaviour.  They also explore why the science of learning movement is critical for the future of education in Australia—and beyond.  This episode will be of interest to educators, school leaders, policymakers, and anyone passionate about improving teaching and learning outcomes. ANNOUNCEMENTS Free Webinar with Dr. Anna Stokke and Dr. Ben Solomon: The Science of Math Instruction: Using Evidence-Based Practices in the Classroom, May 8, 2025.  Registration link: https://home.edweb.net/webinar/mathskills20250508/ researchED Toronto:  https://researched.org.uk/event/researched-toronto-2025/ TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction and announcements  [00:02:33] Introducing Ross Fox  [00:04:14] Understanding the Australian education system  [00:09:56] Challenges in education and the Catalyst program  [00:11:03] The importance of effective teaching and learning  [00:19:22] Implementing the Science of Reading  [00:26:10] Defining and supporting learning  [00:30:45] High impact teaching practices  [00:32:12] Knowledge-rich curriculum  [00:36:17] Implementing effective math pedagogy   [00:40:49] Supporting teachers with high-quality math instructional materials  [00:44:28] Addressing educational inequities  [00:47:34] The Catalyst program: Goals and implementation  [00:49:10] Assessment and feedback for effective teaching  [01:00:53] Professional learning and teacher support  [01:04:09] Future directions and optimism in education  RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 26 Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f7937 Ep 27 Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac Ep 33  Educational leadership:  Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17 Ep 36  How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-3ny3k-17323a9 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-46-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-46-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Podington Bear - Kitten Blue Dot Sessions – Town Market, Momentary Ease, Mazamorra, Squirrel Commotion Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social    

In this episode, host and math professor Anna Stokke interviews Mike Petrilli, President of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, about the role of standardized testing in K–12 education. They discuss the benefits and criticisms of standardized tests, the methodologies behind tests like NAEP, international comparisons with PISA and TIMSS, long-term trends in student performance, and the consequences of declines in student achievement.  Highlights include a discussion of Mississippi's educational success despite high poverty rates, and the potential influences of modern educational policies and smartphones. Mike Petrilli emphasizes the importance of accurate measurement for policymaking and shares advice on influencing educational policy.  This episode is a must-listen for educators, policymakers, parents, and anyone interested in the future of education. FREE WEBINAR: The Science of Math Instruction: Using Evidence-Based Practices in the Classroom, May 8, 2025.  Registration link: https://home.edweb.net/webinar/mathskills20250508/ TIMESTAMPS [00:00:00] Introduction   [00:03:18] Discussion on standardized testing  [00:06:14] Criticisms of standardized testing  [00:12:25] Frequency and levels of testing  [00:20:04] International perspectives on testing  [00:23:11] Understanding NAEP  [00:28:07] Recent trends in NAEP scores  [00:28:41] Impact of the pandemic   [00:31:16] Pre-pandemic declines   [00:32:26] Comparing international trends: PISA scores  [00:33:08] The role of smartphones  [00:35:26] TIMSS scores  [00:38:16] Long-term impact of declining academic achievement  [00:39:20] Efforts to address learning loss  [00:42:12] States that bucked the trend: the “Mississippi miracle” [00:46:44] Low-performing states  [00:49:54] Future strategies for education systems  [00:53:22] Influencing educational policy  [00:55:49] Conclusion and final thoughts  RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Ep 33.  Educational leadership:  Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17 Ep 32. Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-y6cxs-16ad6f1 Ep 25.  Understanding reform math ideology with Tom Loveless https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-7ih4c-15dbf9a Ep 18.  Education myth-busting with Daisy Christodoulou https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/ep-45-transcript EPISODE RESOURCES https://www.annastokke.com/ep-45-resources MUSIC Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it Blue Dot Sessions – Mazamorra, Tarte Tatin, Willow Willow, Betty Dear, Lissa Website: www.annastokke.com X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social