013: Stop Selling Websites to Low-Budget Clients - Kevin Geary vs Robert DeVore

In this episode, Robert DeVore joins us to face off in a friendly but spirited debate about WordPress website pricing!Kevin and Robert recently had a back-and-forth on X about whether $5K should be the minimum price for professional websites, so we're bringing them together to hash it out live. Read the full thread on X here: https://x.com/thekevingeary/status/1911757639068889327Whether you're a WordPress developer, agency owner, or small business looking for website solutions, this conversation impacts you!Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

In this episode of WP Townhall, Kevin and Mark are joined by Jake Goldman, Founder of 10up, to discuss scaling WordPress agencies and navigating enterprise-level work.Jake shares the early strategy behind building 10up to serve larger clients from the start, the importance of recurring revenue, and how prior agency experience positioned him for rapid growth. The conversation dives into how AI is reshaping development workflows, pricing expectations, and what the future holds for WordPress in enterprise contexts. It’s an insightful episode packed with lessons for freelancers, agency owners, and anyone interested in moving upmarket.This episode of WP Townhall is sponsored by Omnisend: https://wptownhall.show/omnisendWant to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

This episode of WP Townhall is sponsored by Omnisend: https://wptownhall.show/omnisendIn this episode of WP Townhall, Kevin and Mark dive into a critical discussion about the flawed foundation undermining almost every page builder. They explore how a single misguided assumption can derail functionality, frustrate users, and limit creative potential while providing ideas for how the next era of page building can be radically different and vastly innovated.Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

Has social media truly won the content war? Matt joins us to unpack how platforms like X, TikTok, and Instagram have reshaped the way creators, businesses, and communities engage with audiences. From the decline of traditional websites to the rise of algorithm-driven feeds, we explore what this shift means for WordPress users, content creators, and the future of online storytelling. Expect sharp insights, practical takeaways, and a lively debate about whether the battle for content supremacy is truly over—or just heating up. Tune in for a conversation that’s as thought-provoking as it is actionable! Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

Join us for another packed episode of WP Townhall where we explore the divide between code and no-code approaches in modern web development. Our guest Mike McAlister, creator of Ollie, a block theme for WordPress (https://olliewp.com/), shares his journey from designer to developer and his perspective on where website building is headed. The conversation heats up as we dive into whether lay people should be building their own websites, the role of craftsmanship in web development, and how WordPress's mission to "democratize publishing" may be at odds with the technical nature of the platform. We explore the challenges agencies face in delivering maintainable, scalable solutions while balancing client demands for simplicity and control. Our townhall attendee speakers also chime in with valuable perspectives on client education, WordPress admin customization, the importance of maintaining code access, and the ongoing battle between democratization and professional standards.Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

On this episode of WP Townhall, we chatted with Chris Pearson, a name that might ring some bells – he created the first million-dollar WordPress theme and made waves in 2010 during his GPL licensing dispute with Matt Mullenweg. We dove into Chris's provocative take on why modern websites are broken, exploring how the rise of social media has fundamentally changed user behavior and why he believes this requires a complete rethinking of web design. Things got particularly interesting when Chris shared his perspective on horizontal layouts, navigation menus, and his theory that websites are no longer destinations but rather "off-ramps" from social media and email. We also explored his new web platform project, which sparked a fascinating discussion about open source, licensing, and the future of web development. Matt Medeiros joined us near the end to bring up open source philosophy and what it really means in practice. Throughout the episode, Chris challenged conventional wisdom about web design and content management systems, offering a unique perspective that, whether you agree with it or not, provides plenty to think about.Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

In this episode of WP Townhall, we're discussing Kevin's "3-3-3 plan" for improving WordPress. Our conversation examines three key issues: neglect of core CMS functionality, challenges with the block editor implementation, and insufficient emphasis on design/UX.We explore potential solutions including native custom post types, improved content management tools, and unified UI/UX standards. The discussion covers WordPress's evolution from a blogging platform to powering business websites, with guest speakers like Patrick Gallagher providing insights on the feasibility of forking WordPress. We tackle the dynamics between WordPress's open source nature and commercial interests, examining Matt Mullenweg's leadership and its impact on the platform's development. The conversation highlights different perspectives on WordPress's future direction while maintaining focus on practical improvements. We conclude with a discussion of video content hosting and distribution strategies for WordPress sites.Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

In this episode of WP Townhall, we're joined by special guest Mark Westguard, creator of WS Form, to explore the anatomy of a great forms plugin. Mark, known for his expertise in WordPress form development and exceptional customer support, shares insights from his six-year journey building one of WordPress's most respected form solutions. The discussion delves into various aspects of form development, including WS Form's powerful conditional logic system, extensive field customization options, and deep integration capabilities with platforms like WooCommerce and custom field plugins. Our conversation explores how WS Form tackles complex challenges like accessibility, responsive design, and dynamic form building. Throughout the episode, we examine crucial topics such as the recent CSS styling overhaul, AI integration through OpenAI, and the future of form development in WordPress. Mark shares valuable insights from his extensive experience helping agencies and developers build sophisticated form solutions, while maintaining a focus on user experience and code quality. Join us for this in-depth exploration of modern form development, where we discuss best practices, technical innovations, and how WS Form is pushing the boundaries of what's possible with forms in WordPress.Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

In this episode of WP Townhall, we're joined by special guest Adam Preiser to explore the current state of e-commerce in WordPress. Adam, known for his expertise in WordPress e-commerce solutions (SureCart, SureMembers, SureTriggers) and educational content (WP Crafter), shares his insights on the evolving landscape of online selling within the WordPress ecosystem.The discussion delves into various aspects of WordPress e-commerce, including WooCommerce, emerging alternatives like SureCart, and outside solutions like Shopify. Our conversation explores the challenges faced by store owners, developers, and agencies when building and maintaining e-commerce sites on WordPress.Throughout the episode, we examine crucial topics such as performance optimization for e-commerce sites, the role of page builders in online stores, and the future of WordPress as an e-commerce platform. Adam shares valuable insights from his extensive experience helping others build successful online stores and his perspective on where the industry is heading.Join us for this in-depth exploration of WordPress e-commerce, where we discuss best practices, common pitfalls to avoid, and predictions for the future of online selling in the WordPress space.Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.

A lively debate exploring the implications of people being able to easily set up shop in the web design industry. Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? Is it good for the industry long-term, or not? And what challenges do our clients face under this model?Throughout the show, we examine questions about the value of formal education in web design, the importance of understanding underlying web technologies, and the balance between democratizing web design and maintaining professional standards.We encourage listeners to share their own experiences and opinions on this topic, whether they're seasoned professionals, newcomers to the field, or business owners.Join us for this insightful exploration of one of the most relevant discussions in today's digital landscape, as we ponder whether the ease of entry into web design is a boon for innovation or a challenge to professional standards.Want to participate in the next episode? Follow @thekevingeary and @markjszymanski on X and look for WP Townhall Spaces scheduled events. Visit wptownhall.show for upcoming episodes and additional resources.