Five Fold or One Fold? The Myth of Restored Apostles and Prophets

John welcomes Sam to share his story of involvement in the Shepherding Movement, setting the stage by describing how it emerged as an outgrowth of Branham's influence and helped shape what later became the NAR. Sam recounts how he first encountered the movement as a young believer in the early 1970s, describing Christian coffeehouses, Pentecostal fervor, and the excitement of discipleship, which soon shifted into rigid submission and authoritarian leadership. Together, they discuss the figures at the heart of the movement such as Derek Prince, Charles Simpson, Bob Mumford, and Don Basham, while exploring how teachings about demons and submission created an atmosphere of fear and control. John adds context by connecting the movement's roots to Branham, T.L. Osborn, and Christian Identity influences, showing how these networks interlinked. As the discussion deepens, Sam shares personal experiences of exorcism meetings, authoritarian control, and the emotional toll it took, leading to years of anxiety and mental health struggles. John and Sam connect this to broader patterns in Pentecostal and charismatic history, drawing lines from Branham to Shepherding, to the Jesus Movement, to later revivals like Toronto and Bethel. They reflect on how sincere intentions turned extreme, how networks amplified destructive ideas, and how control was often marketed as discipleship. The conversation ends on reflections about leaving behind controlling systems, the challenges of processing trauma, and the importance of finding healthier faith expressions. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Bob discuss the parallels between the New Apostolic Reformation and aspects of Islam, focusing on how both use structures of authority, wealth, and control. They highlight how religious movements throughout history have sought to dominate through institutions, often blending faith with political or cultural power. The conversation explores the danger of leaders who claim unique spiritual authority and the way these systems create dependency through fear and promises of blessing. They also examine historical events, such as oil politics in the Middle East, and how cultural misunderstandings helped shape modern dynamics. Drawing from personal experiences and historical knowledge, John and Bob compare themes of prosperity, population growth, and information control in both systems. They conclude by reflecting on Jesus' teachings as an alternative to domination, emphasizing compassion, humility, and authentic relationships over institutionalized control. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Adam discuss a recent message from Bethel and analyze the language used in both the promotional email and Bill Johnson's sermon. They identify recurring themes such as "divine identity," "manifest wisdom," and "radical obedience," drawing connections between these phrases and older teachings rooted in Branhamism and other movements. They explain how subtle changes in wording can carry heavy implications, leading audiences toward elitist or cult-like mindsets. Adam notes how the sermon referenced Romans 5, while John highlights how the marketing framed it with additional loaded language not found in the original teaching. The conversation then turns toward broader concerns: the use of esoteric language resembling mystery cults, comparisons to cultural references like Men in Black, and the theological dangers of DNA-based identity teachings. They expose how concepts of perfectionism, obedience, and carnal-mindedness often serve to control rather than liberate followers. The discussion concludes with warnings about financial motivations, misuse of authority, and the risks when leaders adopt language historically tied to divisive or extremist beliefs. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Chino discuss the rise of the five-fold ministry teaching and its impact on religious movements, starting with personal experiences and false predictions within Hobart Freeman's ministry. They explore the inconsistencies in early prophecies, such as the case of Bruce Kinsey, and how failed predictions were later ignored or explained away. Their conversation highlights how unfulfilled expectations often sank like quicksand, disappearing from memory while leaders continued promoting the system. The discussion broadens to examine the restorationist claim of reviving lost ministry offices, contrasting biblical foundations with modern self-appointed leaders. John and Chino reflect on Freeman's shifting recognition of figures like Branham, Osborne, and Hagen, eventually denouncing those he once upheld. They also review the legendary "apostle from Denmark" story and its flaws. In closing, they emphasize the historical role of true apostles and prophets in laying the foundation of the early church, contrasting it with today's claims, which lack biblical and historical grounding. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Laura-Lynn discuss the disturbing theological overlaps between William Branham's teachings and modern charismatic leaders, particularly focusing on a recent sermon by Bill Johnson titled "The Dead Can't Sin." The episode opens with Laura-Lynn reflecting on the weight of recent episodes, and John explaining how Bill Johnson's sermon eerily parallels the cult-like doctrine he grew up hearing. They dig deep into how perfectionism, spiritual abuse, and identity theology are repackaged in modern movements like Bethel, exposing the subtle shifts in language and theology that manipulate audiences. As the discussion unfolds, they unpack the dangerous implications of claiming Christians have "God's DNA," tying it back to the Christian Identity movement, the Manifested Sons of God doctrine, and even historical white supremacist theology. John connects the dots between Branham, Jim Jones, and present-day teachings that emphasize dominion, radical obedience, and elite spiritual hierarchy. Drawing on historical accounts, personal experience, and scholarly sources, they explore how these doctrines twist Scripture to lead followers toward control, fear, and exclusion. The conversation culminates in a powerful warning about the resurgence of these teachings under new branding. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham

John invites Nancy to share her story about how spiritual confusion, controlling influences, and false teachings shaped her early Christian experience. Nancy recounts how her exposure to charismatic circles, deliverance teachings, and cultic thinking left her emotionally drained and spiritually stifled. She describes the environment as manipulative, performance-driven, and filled with fear, offering humorous yet painful reflections on how joy and authenticity were suppressed. Together, she and John explore how individuals caught in unhealthy groups often carry deep trauma and wrestle with guilt, doubt, and fear long after leaving. As the conversation unfolds, Nancy reveals her background before conversion, including involvement with alternative belief systems and how she eventually came to faith through the influence of genuinely joyful believers. She discusses the influence of a specific institution and how it contributed to spiritual deterioration. John adds historical context, linking these experiences to broader religious trends like the post-war revival era and the roots of certain fringe movements. The discussion ultimately moves toward healing and encouragement, with both reflecting on the slow, patient work of untangling harmful ideas and relearning faith through honesty, questioning, and quiet persistence. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Charles discuss how mid-20th-century renewal streams shaped later movements, tracing links among healing revivals, Latter Rain circles, and newer trends. They examine claims around the Brownsville revival's ties to Full Gospel networks and the role of Steve Hill; explore how specialized terms like "Ecclesia" gained layered meaning; and address wide variation inside Latter Rain—from worship styles to doctrines such as five-fold leadership and "manifested sons." They also revisit how certain Detroit-area congregations intersected with a future harmful leader, the ways ideas and personnel cross-pollinated, and why so much institutional storytelling was later rewritten or minimized.  They further unpack debates within Branham-influenced groups: the existence of a faction that treats the founder with divine-level status, contrasting with others who deny such devotion; the rapture timeline split between amillennial and premillennial branches; and the backstory of the Church Ages book—compiled from sermons, heavily edited, and drawing on earlier authors. Additional myths are assessed, including accident narratives, fundraising practices, and royalties on recordings, while urging readers to evaluate claims against primary evidence rather than inherited legends. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Chino discuss the prophetic claims made by Hobart Freeman over Bruce Kinsey, exploring the psychological and theological issues surrounding such declarations. They open with John's personal story about a similar prophecy given to his grandfather by William Branham, noting the manipulative potential of "guaranteed salvation" promises. Chino introduces rare archival material from 1973, when Freeman proclaimed Bruce Kinsey would carry a "mantle of a prophet" to minister to both Jews and Gentiles. The conversation examines how this early praise and empowerment later contrasted with Freeman's eventual public rejection of Kinsey when he disagreed with the leader's teachings, illustrating the inconsistency and control tactics common in high-control religious groups. They move into a detailed look at Faith Assembly's atmosphere in the fall of 1984, describing the civil lawsuits, legislative changes, increased media scrutiny, and rising death toll that created a siege mentality in the congregation. Chino analyzes how Freeman's authoritarian personality traits intensified under external pressure, leading to an increase in manipulative prophecies and fear-based preaching. The discussion connects these patterns to broader historical examples, highlighting the dangers of personal prophecies when used as tools for manipulation rather than genuine encouragement. The segment closes by contrasting biblical prophecy with what occurred in this case, encouraging listeners to measure such claims by scriptural standards and real-world outcomes. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Jed discuss the recent speech defending Mike Bickle and how it attempted to frame the public perception of her brother, Mike. They reflect on how her tone and phrasing followed recognizable manipulation strategies, and how those techniques were familiar to anyone who had grown up under strong religious authority. Jed explains why Lisa's words were especially difficult for him to hear, given his own history, and outlines how attempts to minimize or excuse misconduct affect survivors. John adds his perspective on what it felt like to hear the language as if he were in the congregation and how the approach mirrored experiences from his past. Together they examine the wider implications for the International House of Prayer community and beyond. They compare how prophetic authority and promises of revival can be used to cover wrongdoing, and how this dynamic has played out repeatedly. They also highlight how leaders in the broader movement have responded, often with silence, and the consequences this has for accountability. Throughout the discussion, both hosts emphasize how the rhetoric of forgiveness has been misapplied in ways that silence those raising concerns, and they call out the difference between genuine redemption and using faith to maintain power.______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ - Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org