What the REF?! podcast

What the REF is the CoARA Open Science Toolkit?!

11/10/2026
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Michael and Ola unpack what the US midterms could mean for science funding, and why Research England is scrapping its ring-fenced pots for research culture, policy engagement and practice-based research. Then James talks to Javiera Atenas (University of Suffolk) about the COARA Open Science OER Toolkit: free, GitHub-hosted, and built for under-resourced universities. Why is data still undervalued? How can institutions reward community work, from citizen science to bat surveys, without turning openness into a checklist? Plus some REF folklore-busting: can an output be both a CKU submission and an impact case study?


Our hosts are all members of the Hidden REF committee based at the universities of Southampton and Bristol: Ola Thomson, Michael Donnay and James Baker. Our producer is Ben Thomas.

Find out more about the HiddenREF campaign at Hidden-REF.org


'What the REF' is made possible by the Embedding Trust in Evaluation (E-TIE) research grant from Research England.


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WTreF is co-produced by Simon Hettrick, Gemma Derrick, James Baker and Ben Thomas. Video and Sound production by Ben Thomas.

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