Seeds of Legacy - Samantha Cook

In this first episode of a two-part special from The Underground Podcast, hosts Kate and Phil dig into the root of the industry’s biggest environmental pivot—going peat free. With decades of dependency on this “gold standard” of growing media, why is it now so crucial to leave peat behind? And why is it proving so hard to replace?From the carbon cost of extraction to the slow regeneration of peatlands, this episode explores the environmental urgency driving the move away from peat. But this is no simple switch. Through conversations with leading scientists, manufacturers, campaigners, and trade leaders, we uncover what made peat so effective—and why sustainable alternatives must work harder to match its performance.Whether you’re a professional grower, a home gardener, or simply peat-curious, this episode lays the groundwork for understanding what’s at stake and what’s next in this growing media revolution. Episode 2 will pick up the trail, delving into the practical realities of making peat-free work.Featuring:Elaine Gotts – Research & Development Scientist, Levington / Evergreen Garden CareSimon Blackhurst – Horticulture ConsultantWill Scott – Team Leader, Heart of Eden (AHS Limited)Jane Hartley – Brand Portfolio Manager, Evergreen Garden CareSteve Harper – Chair, Responsible Sourcing Scheme & Managing Director, Southern TridentSally Nex – Environmental Gardener & Campaigner, Peat-Free PartnershipFran Barnes – Chief Executive, Horticultural Trades AssociationJane Lawler – Marketing Consultant & HTA Board MemberDan Durston – National Sales Director, Durston’sToby Thomas – Managing Director, RocketGro

In this special episode of The Underground Podcast, Kate and Phil take you behind the scenes at the Garden Press Event 2025, held at the Business Design Centre in Islington, London. A key date in the gardening industry calendar, this event brings together brands, innovators, and industry experts to showcase the latest trends, products, and sustainability initiatives shaping the future of gardening.As they weave through the bustling exhibition hall, Kate and Phil catch up with a diverse mix of exhibitors, from household names like Gardena, Evergreen Garden Care, and Westland to passionate independents driving innovation in the sector. From the latest in peat-free compost and eco-friendly packaging to high-tech gardening tools and educational initiatives for future generations, this episode is packed with fascinating conversations and exclusive insights. Whether you're a green-fingered enthusiast or work in the industry, this is your chance to get the inside scoop on what’s next for gardens and green spaces.Your hosts:Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate sit down with internationally acclaimed garden designer, TV presenter, and horticulturalist Peter Donegan. Known for his visionary approach to garden design, Peter shares his journey from growing plants under his bed as a child to designing breathtaking landscapes around the world. His passion for storytelling through gardens shines through as he discusses transformative projects, including a poignant garden in Melbourne honouring veterans and a hidden courtyard garden in a 13th-century French castle (links to view below)Peter also delves into the importance of biodiversity, how small urban gardens can make a big impact, and why gardens should evoke emotion rather than just tick design boxes. With his signature blend of insight, humour, and deep expertise, Peter offers a fresh perspective on what it really means to create meaningful green spaces.Don't miss Peter Donegan as he presents the APL (Association of Professional Landscapers) Awards on Friday 14th March at The Brewery, London.Tune in for an inspiring episode filled with passion, creativity, and a little bit of rock and roll in garden design!Peter Donegan: https://doneganlandscaping.comMelbourne Garden: https://doneganlandscaping.com/blog/2024/03/24/peoples-choice-award-melbourne-international-flower-and-garden-show-2024/French Garden: https://doneganlandscaping.com/blog/2022/06/28/inauguration-chateau-de-peronne-jardin-philophrosyne/Laburnocytisus 'Adamii': https://www.suttons.co.uk/laburnocytisus-adamii_MH12152Your hosts:Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground, Phil & Kate continue their deep dive into the role of green spaces in our built environment. They sit down with Neil Beamsley, Group Head of Biodiversity at Bellway Homes, to uncover how one of the UK’s major housebuilders is tackling biodiversity net gain. Neil shares insights on the legal requirements for developers to improve biodiversity, the challenges of balancing nature with new homes, and why small changes—like hedgehog highways and native planting—can make a huge impact.Later in the episode, garden writer and wildlife champion Debi Holland joins the conversation to discuss how homeowners can transform new build gardens into biodiversity hotspots. From embracing No Mow May to creating habitat-rich hedges, Debi shares practical advice for making green spaces work for both people and wildlife.If you’ve ever wondered whether new housing estates can be a force for good in the natural world, this episode will challenge your perspective and offer inspiring ways to make a difference—one garden at a time. Bellway Homes: www.bellway.co.uk Plantlife: www.plantlife.org.uk Debi Holland: debihollandgardening.com Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate dive into the often-overlooked green spaces that weave through our urban environments—verges, car park borders, roundabouts, and other ‘in-between’ spaces. These utilitarian landscapes may seem insignificant, but as horticultural consultant and garden designer Tom Angel explains, they have an enormous role to play in biodiversity, social wellbeing, and urban resilience.Tom brings his unique perspective, shaped by his background in geography, landscape contracting, and garden design, to highlight how these neglected areas could be transformed into thriving green assets. He shares fascinating insights into the challenges faced by the grounds maintenance industry, the missed opportunities in urban green infrastructure, and the urgent need to bridge the gap between landscape architects, property managers, and contractors. From mulching and maintenance to the power of perception and policy, this conversation will change the way you look at the spaces around you.Tune in to discover why the green patches outside your local supermarket might just be the most important landscapes of all. Tom Angel: https://www.tomangel.co.uk/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com ⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate are joined by Peter Burks, CEO of the Garden Centre Association (GCA), to dig into the evolving landscape of garden centres. With over 40 years in the industry, Peter shares his fascinating journey from growing up on a farm to leading the GCA, offering insights into how garden centres have adapted to challenges and consumer trends. They explore the shift to peat-free compost, the rise of garden centre cafés and farm shops, and the crucial role of education and industry collaboration in keeping garden retail thriving. Plus, Peter reveals his favourite plants, gardening habits, and the best garden centre treats (spoiler: he’s a mince pie connoisseur!). This episode is packed with knowledge, inspiration, insight and character, a must listen for anyone working with garden centres. Garden Centre Association: https://gca.org.uk Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate sit down with Ed Hill, founder of Horti House, a groundbreaking collective of British houseplant nurseries. From his unconventional journey—from professional sailing to working in tech start-ups—Ed shares how his diverse background equipped him to champion British growers and reshape the houseplant industry.Discover how Horti House is bridging the gap between nurseries and retailers, solving logistical challenges, and advocating for sustainability with initiatives like peat-free growing and biomass heating. Ed explains the importance of collaboration in an industry often seen as traditional and highlights how innovation can enhance the value of British-grown houseplants. Whether you're an avid gardener or simply plant-curious, this conversation offers unique insights into the future of horticulture and the role of green spaces in our lives. The Horti House: https://www.thehortihouse.co.ukDouble H Nurseries: http://Doubleh.co.uk/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this captivating episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate sit down with Samantha Cook, head gardener at the historic Bardney Manor. But there’s more to Sam than meets the eye—she’s not only the visionary behind the garden’s restoration but also the custodian of an extraordinary legacy.Sam shares her journey from a childhood immersed in horticulture to becoming a Lady of the Manor and a champion of seed preservation. Discover the fascinating history of Bardney Manor, once home to renowned 18th-century seedsman John Sharp, and how Sam has woven his pioneering spirit into her modern-day restoration efforts. From transforming a neglected garden into a public treasure to championing educational initiatives for future generations, Sam’s story is one of passion, heritage, and inspiration.Tune in for a delightful virtual tour of the garden, tips on seed saving, and Sam’s reflections on the deep connections between horticulture, history, and community. This is an episode that celebrates the magic of gardens and the people who bring them to life. https://www.bardneymanorwalledgarden.comhttps://www.instagram.com/ladyb_gardening_tales/https://hardy-plant.org.ukhttps://www.gardenmediaguild.co.uk Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground, Phil and Kate sit down with Tony Clare, the Commercial Director of Henry Bell, a premium manufacturer of wild bird food and care products. With over 200 years of history, Henry Bell is leveraging its legacy and expertise to bring innovation and sustainability to a rapidly evolving market. Tony shares the company’s journey from manufacturing for other brands to launching its own. He discusses the growing importance of bird feeding for biodiversity, how garden centres can maximise their offerings with dedicated spaces and education, and why sustainable practices, like 100% recyclable packaging and environmentally friendly feed options, are key to the company’s ethos. From insights on seasonal feeding trends to the surprising role of Calciworms in bird nutrition, this episode is packed with practical takeaways for garden centres looking to grow their customer base and support wildlife. Henry Bell: https://www.henrybell.co.uk/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode, Kate and Phil chat with Dan Durston, National Sales Director of Durston Garden Products, and Simon Blackhurst, a consultant working on Durston’s groundbreaking peat-free compost range. Join the conversation as Dan delves into the rich history of this Somerset-based family business, from humble beginnings to its modern, innovative approach to sustainable horticulture. Simon shares his expertise on the challenges and triumphs of creating high-performing, peat-free growing media, shedding light on the science behind the transformation. The duo discusses the importance of education, the myths surrounding peat-free compost, and what it takes for the industry—and gardeners—to embrace sustainability. Durston Garden Products: https://durstongardenproducts.co.uk/Simon Blackhurst: https://www.sjbqc.com/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk