Heads Down Building, Battlefield Autonomy, and Chaos Industries with Will Hurd

 Will Hurd joins Callye to break down autonomy at the tactical edge—and why time, not just tech, decides outcomes. He explains Chaos Industries’ approach to expeditionary radar, delivering minutes of warning instead of seconds and working in comms- and EW-denied environments. Topics We CoverAutonomy in contested battlespaces: giving operators time to understand, decide, and act Expeditionary radar that sets up fast, survives harsh conditions, and scales via clustered nodes Two-way time transfer, picosecond sync, and separating TX/RX for wider, smarter sensing Building over marketing: why working hardware + rapid iteration wins every time Partnerships that unlock capability (e.g., Forterra autonomous ground vehicles)Key TakeawaysTime is the decisive edge: moving from “~22 seconds” of warning to “10 minutes and 22 seconds” changes survivability and employment of effects. Speed > might: OTA updates at the edge, rapid two-week sprints, and modular product deltas outcompete exquisite, slow systems. Credibility is earned in T&E and combat use: build something that works out of the box in tough places—and prove it.

Edward Ge – Co-founder & CEO, Aethero. Building the Nvidia of space: why edge compute, autonomy, and distributed satellite clusters change everything. Episode SnapshotAethero’s Edward Ge joins Callye to unpack the next wave of space: pushing real compute to orbit so satellites can process data and act autonomously instead of waiting on ground links. We dig into why most spacecraft still run on ancient processors, what it takes to harden COTS GPUs for radiation, and how distributed “orbital data centers” unlock defense and commercial missions faster and cheaper.Topics We CoverWhy on-orbit edge computing beats “download everything” architecturesHardening COTS compute (radiation, thermal, power) for real missionsDistributed clusters in space: orchestration, reliability, and use casesFunding timing and building in public with defense customersWhat’s actually launching next and how fast iteration happens in spaceTimestamped Highlights00:00 | Welcome and setup — “edge compute in orbit” premise.02:18 | Why satellites still run decades-old processors; the Moore’s Law gap in space. 05:42 | Consumer device vs. spacecraft life cycles—designing for 7–10 years without freezing tech. 07:02 | Fundraising cadence: closed in November, announced in June—why timing matters in defense. 10:51 | Hardening COTS compute: radiation, thermal paths, and redundancy. 14:51 | From single nodes to clusters: building “orbital data centers.” 17:31 | “There are really only two customers in space right now: telecom and defense.” 20:37 | Advice to young founders: why shipping fast trumps credentials. 22:52 | Closing thoughts & how Aethero is sequencing the next launches. Resources & LinksAethero — https://www.aethero.com/Aethero $8.4M seed (press release) — Business WireKratos Constellations: “4 Takeaways: Aethero CEO on Building Space-Grade Computers” — summary of Ed’s thesis on space compute kratosspace.com

Callye Keen and Bret Boyd discuss the challenges and opportunities in the manufacturing sector, particularly in relation to supply chain management and defense manufacturing. They explore the importance of connecting small manufacturers, the role of technology and AI in procurement, and the need for a robust ecosystem to support manufacturing growth. Boyd shares insights from his experience in the military and how it informs his approach to building Sustainment, a company focused on improving supplier discovery and connectivity in the manufacturing space. The discussion also touches on compliance challenges and the future of defense manufacturing in the U.S.TakeawaysPeople and mission excite us.Building teams and solving problems is essential.Manufacturing is a long tail of small businesses.Finding U.S. manufacturers can be frustratingly hard.The military's logistics and sustainment groups face supplier challenges.AI can help identify manufacturing suppliers.Ecosystem development is crucial for manufacturing growth.Compliance costs can be prohibitive for small manufacturers.National strength is tied to industrial strength.A manufacturing ready reserve could enhance defense capabilities.Chapters00:00 Connecting People and Purpose04:27 The Challenge of Supply Chain Management10:04 Navigating Manufacturing Complexities15:43 Building Manufacturing Ecosystems21:35 The Cost of Compliance in Defense Manufacturing26:46 Bridging the Gap Between Innovation and Tradition

Andy Markoff joins Callye to unpack why he left uniformed service to build Smack Technologies—and how his team is pursuing “decision dominance”: fusing multi‑modal data and using reinforcement learning to turn analysis into actions faster than adversaries. Andy explains where Smack sits in the modern “kill web,” why teaming beats rip‑and‑replace, and the biggest mistake he sees new defense founders make (hint: losing touch with the end user). The conversation closes with an honest look at culture—how to let scientists and engineers coexist under a shared mission without blowing deadlines or technical rigor. Key TakeawaysMission → Company: Andy’s service in Iraq and Afghanistan—and the pain of running the “kill chain in Office 365”—pushed him to build technology outside the wire and bring it back in.Where Smack fits: Not a data‑integration shop. Smack focuses on the model/reasoning layer (reinforcement learning) and the application layer that surfaces decisions—designed to plug into others’ data layers and UI/briefing tools (think Palantir for integration, OneBrief for CONOPS visualization).Teaming > Turf: Modern defense delivery splits across four components: data integration, model/reasoning, application, and an operating layer. No single vendor wins everywhere—learn to team or walk away.Don’t forget the user: The pendulum swung from “only talk to end users” to “only sell to program offices/Congress.” You must work all three—user, program office, and appropriators—or you’ll ship tech that gets funded but never used.Iterate in the field: Replace “perfect‑then‑procure” with rapid fielding, frequent touchpoints, and continuous deployment—even for HW/SW systems supporting AI at the edge.Comms in contested environments: A future fight breaks our assumption of fat pipes. Andy highlights secure 5G efforts (e.g., Cape) and calls for autonomous communications relay as an under‑served, solvable gap.Power is a feature: Edge systems die without expeditionary power—solve it early, not after the ruck weighs 200 lbs in batteries.Culture that ships: Balance “what’s right” (scientists minimizing tech debt) with “ship it” (engineers hitting milestones). Mission alignment is the glue.Chapters & Timestamps00:00 — Cold open & intro00:23 — What Andy’s passionate about now: service, purpose, and the national‑defense mission01:14 — Marine Corps to Marine Raider: finding purpose, then deciding to build from the outside03:22 — 2016 Iraq: running the kill chain in Office 365 & the moment of founder clarity05:56 — From PowerPoint and whiteboards to decision dominance07:41 — The “four components” of defense decision tech & where Smack sits10:46 — Teaming with Palantir/Anduril/OneBrief vs. competing with them12:23 — What new entrants get wrong: forgetting end users (or only courting PMOs)14:38 — Rapid fielding mindset: iterate with real users, not just SBIR slides16:22 — Hardware as the house where AI lives; why iteration matters18:18 — Startups to watch & the comms relay gap; secure 5G in the mix20:32 — Moving data ≈ asking better questions; legacy links won’t carry modern fusion22:19 — Power at the edge & unsexy problems that win fights24:37 — Golden nugget: build cultures where scientists and engineers both thriveAbout Andy MarkoffAndrew brings more than a decade of leadership in the U.S. Marine Corps, including roles as a Marine Special Operations Officer, Fires Instructor at MAWTS-1, and Special Operations Forces J3 during the Battle of Mosul. His experience spans four combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as leading operations and strategy at Palantir. Andrew holds a BA in Political Science from Princeton University. 

Callye Keen interviews Robert Fehlen about his work with Mission Cultivate and Dark Corner Solutions. They discuss the importance of community and networking in the defense innovation space, the challenges of duplication of efforts within military projects, and the need for a centralized platform to connect industry capabilities with military needs. Robert shares insights on the significance of teaming in defense contracts and the future plans for Mission Cultivate, which aims to create a more effective ecosystem for defense innovation.TakeawaysRobert Fehlen's passion is rooted in his family's military background.Dark Corner Solutions focuses on uncovering overlooked stories in defense.Networking is crucial for success in the defense industry.Duplication of efforts in military projects is a significant issue.Mission Cultivate aims to connect industry capabilities with military needs.Building a community is essential for fostering innovation.Teaming is the only way to succeed in defense contracts.The defense marketplace is complex and requires strategic navigation.Quality over quantity is a key principle for Mission Cultivate.Human connections are vital in the defense contracting space.About Robert FehlenWebsite: https://www.missioncultivate.com/

Andre Wegner believes the biggest choke-point in defense manufacturing isn’t hardware—it’s the months (or years) lost inside data-starved black boxes. He and host Callye Keen unpack how capturing every shred of context across design, engineering, and shop-floor workflows—then feeding it to AI—can turn a decade-long program into a months-long sprint. If you care about rebuilding U.S. industrial agility, hit play.Topics We CoverWhy “idea → part” speed is now a national-security metricThe cost of invisible data: 16k+ parts “too expensive to reverse engineer”Creating a new categoryKey TakeawaysTransparency beats paperwork. Drawings alone can’t scale or automate production; live context must flow from concept through machining.AI makes the unsexy sexy. Large language models can surface risks and bottlenecks instantly—if the data exhaust is captured.Own the ability to build. You don’t truly own IP when the know-how to make it sits outside your walls.Chapters00:00 | Welcome & guest intro02:58 | The Authentise journey—from secure print streaming to DoD prime 05:12 | Obsessing over months-not-years product cycles 10:18 | The “blind-men & elephant” parable of fragmented manufacturing data17:21 | Why the golden-thread metaphor fails in a multidimensional world 23:40 | Naming a new category: Continuous Engineering Operations 26:17 | $700 pocket sculptures & reframing value 31:58 | Cheap drones, culture change, and AI-enabled transparency 34:48 | Closing thoughts & future collaborationResources & LinksAuthentise — https://authentise.comKform — https://kform.comConnectAndre: LinkedIn / X / AuthentiseCallye: LinkedIn / X / Kform“You don’t really own your IP if you can’t make it.” — Callye KeenEnjoyed the episode? Follow The StartupDefense and share it with a fellow builder. Powered by Kform—defense tech transformation from concept to production.

Callye Keen and Steve Simone discuss the evolving landscape of defense technology, particularly in countering unmanned aerial systems (UAS). Steve shares his passion for building businesses in this sector, the challenges of developing effective counter-drone solutions, and the importance of private capital in fostering innovation. They explore the dynamics of the defense market, the acquisition processes, and the need for startups to anticipate future requirements rather than react to current demands.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Defense Tech and Passion for Building01:38 The Shift to Counter UAS and Drone Warfare03:58 Challenges in Developing Kinetic Solutions06:17 Navigating the Defense Startup Landscape09:27 Funding and Innovation in Defense Tech11:10 Overcoming Challenges in Defense Startups15:09 Market Changes and Acquisition Processes18:16 Future Opportunities in Defense TechAbout Steve SimoniSteve is a Navy veteran and a nuclear engineer who worked on instrumentation and control systems for Navy nuclear reactors. He previously was CEO and co-founder of Bbot, a software and robotics restaurant technology startup which was acquired by DoorDash. He’s also held sales, product and engineering roles in marketing technology. LinksWebsite: https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevensimoni/

Callye Keen interviews Noam Oz, a former director of innovation operations at Naval X, discussing his extensive background in defense and technology innovation. They explore the challenges of navigating the defense acquisition landscape, the importance of iterative development, and the need for effective communication between operators and solution providers. Noam emphasizes the significance of understanding risk and readiness in defense technology, as well as the potential of new acquisition pathways like SBIRs and OTAs. The discussion also touches on future trends in defense technology, particularly the need for modularity and adaptability in solutions.TakeawaysNoam Oz has a rich background in defense and technology innovation.90% of success in defense innovation is about managing personalities.Iterative development and user feedback are crucial for effective solutions.Embedding operators in the innovation process enhances relevance.New acquisition pathways like CSOs and OTAs are changing the landscape.Understanding risk and readiness is essential for defense tech.The operator community often feels neglected in the acquisition process.Modularity in defense technology can enhance operational effectiveness.Startups should focus on how their products can be easily deployed in the field.There is a growing opportunity for additive manufacturing in defense.About Noam OzDefense Acquisition Expert & Former Director for Innovation Operations at NavalX, Office of Naval ResearchNoam Oz is the former Director for Innovation Operations at NavalX, the innovation arm of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps, where he led efforts to quickly equip Sailors and Marines with needed capabilities and coordinated efforts with innovation cells across the armed services. In addition to his corporate experience at Lockheed Martin and Noblis, Mr. Oz has dedicated more than 16 years as a DoD civilian serving in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition & Sustainment, Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Research, Development & Acquisition), and Naval Sea Systems Command.

Callye Keen and Chelsea Roberts (Meggitt) discuss the evolving landscape of the defense industry, particularly for small businesses. Chelsea shares insights on recent changes in government contracting, the importance of rapid prototyping, and the need for small businesses to adapt to new acquisition processes. They also explore the role of Collaborative Compositions in supporting small businesses and the common pitfalls to avoid in government contracting. Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Defense Industry and Small Business Opportunities02:00 Recent Changes in the Defense Acquisition Landscape07:20 The Importance of Rapid Prototyping and User Feedback12:45 Navigating Traditional vs. Non-Traditional Acquisition Methods20:23 Chelsea Meggitt's Background and Collaborative Compositions28:46 The Need for Education and Resources in GovCon34:25 Advice for Innovators and Startups in the Defense SectorAbout ChelseaChelsea is the founder and CEO of Collaborative Compositions, a consulting firm dedicated to guiding small and mid-sized businesses through the complexities of federal contracting. With over a decade of experience in the industry, Chelsea specializes in helping clients launch and expand their government contracting ventures, ensuring they have the strategies and systems in place to secure and manage contracts effectively.LinksLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelseadroberts/Website: https://collaborativecompositions.com/

Callye Keen sits down with community-builder Jesse Levin to explore why people, not hardware, are the decisive edge in modern defense. From grassroots networks in Ukraine to DEF’s “virtuous insurgency,” the conversation unpacks how informal connectors accelerate innovation and why manufacturing talent is America’s silent super-power.Topics We CoverHuman capital as the “non-sexy” but essential innovation layerLessons from two-plus years on the ground in Ukraine and the rise of 24-hour tech cyclesManufacturing-at-the-edge and fixing gear in theaterDEF 2.0, local AgorasRe-energizing trades & STEM talent for national resilienceKey TakeawaysHumans over hardware. Innovation succeeds when high-trust “movers and shakers” inside and outside the institution link up .Informal networks are a strategic capability. DEF’s community acts as a “bat-phone” that can move mountains during crises .Edge manufacturing is mission-critical. Ukraine proved that rapid repair skills often outclass shiny new drones .A cultural shift is coming. An emerging cohort craves purposeful, hands-on work—opening new on-ramps to defense tech .Highlights00:02 | Callye welcomes Jesse and sets the stage02:00 | Why human terrain beats shiny gear06:30 | Ukraine and hard truths about wasted hardware09:45 | Manufacturing at the edge & Building Momentum shout-out16:40 | Humanizing the defense industry for outsiders25:30 | DEF 2.0 launch, Agoras, and moving the convo to SignalResources & LinksDEF.org – Join an Agora or learn about DEF 2.0Tactivate – Jesse’s community activation workBuilding Momentum – Hands-on rapid-prototyping coursesConnectJesse Levin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesse-levin/Callye Keen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/callyekeen/“Informal networks are a weapon system.” — Jesse LevinEnjoying the show? Leave us a review and share this episode with a friend.