War Machines feat Stop Killer Robots and PAX

This week Gus and Caitlin discuss what it means to be normal, where the concept comes from, and the impact that it has on the design of technological systems. Links/Further Reading- Normal People by Ian Hacking: https://www.scribd.com/document/259318963/Hacking-1996-Normal-People- English heritage on the history of eugenics in Britain and Francis Galton: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/blue-plaques/blue-plaque-stories/eugenics/- The Grammar of Society by Cristina Bicchieri: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227389527_The_Grammar_of_Society- Extract from Discipline and Punish by Foucault: https://foucault.info/documents/foucault.disciplineAndPunish.panOpticism/

From Spiderman, to Toy Story, to One Night Only, this week we’re talking about some of the summers biggest and weirdest movies, as we think about the use of technology and surveillance in film.Links- Silicon valley has a science fiction problem: https://aeon.co/essays/silicon-valley-has-a-science-fiction-problem- One night onlyGuardian review: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/aug/05/one-night-only-movie-reviewNY Times review: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/05/movies/one-night-only-review.htmlMovies we watched in order discussed: - Spiderman: Brand New Day and Spiderman: Far from Home- Coyote Vs. Acme- Toy Story 5 (and Toy Story 3)- One Night Only- Super Mario Galaxy (Derogatory)- Minions and Monsters- Project Hail Mary- The Odyssey- Devil Wears Prada 2- "The Box" Brooklyn 99 S5 E14

This week we're talking about how the militarisation of tech is shaping civic spaces and what 'dual use' technology actually means with Sophie from Corporate Watch. LinksCorporate watch: What's driving the militarisation of tech - and what can we do about it: https://corporatewatch.org/whats-driving-the-militarisation-of-tech-and-what-we-can-do-about-it/Case studies and info about military tech companies: https://privacyinternational.org/military-tech-companiesSkydio case study: https://privacyinternational.org/report/5734/dual-use-tech-skydio-exampleAxon taser drones for schools: https://www.wired.com/story/axon-taser-drones-ethics-board/Skydio/The Verge podcast: https://www.theverge.com/podcast/949195/skydio-ceo-adam-bry-autonmous-drones-china-red-lines-militaryBAE systems case study: https://privacyinternational.org/report/5766/dual-use-tech-bae-systems-examplePokemon go: -> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jun/12/pokemon-go-data-trained-ai-that-could-assist-military-drones-in-war-zonesNiantic sell games division including Pokemon Go to Scopely:https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardnieva/2025/05/21/niantic-scopely-pokemon-go/Elbit systems case study: https://privacyinternational.org/report/5735/dual-use-tech-elbit-exampleIsrael Aerospace Industries (IAI) case study including their relationship with EU Horizon funding: https://privacyinternational.org/report/5703/dual-use-tech-israel-aerospace-industries-iai-exampleAirbus case study: https://privacyinternational.org/report/5720/dual-use-tech-airbus-exampleLeonardo case study: https://privacyinternational.org/report/5733/dual-use-tech-leonardo-exampleProscription of Palestine Action: https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/breaking-down-the-court-of-appeal-judgment-on-palestine-actions-proscription/ Elbit systems factory raid: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce950111xk7oElbit systems factory close down: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-defense-giant-elbit-said-to-quietly-shut-down-uk-plant-targeted-by-activists/

This week we're talking to Marianne from SMEX about their new report looking at the differing dynamics of producing, testing, and deployment of militarised technology across the Southwest Asia and Northern African region (SWANA). Links* Report - Produced, tested, deployed: the Miltarisation of technology in the SWANA region* Vodafone in Egypt story: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/jul/26/vodafone-access-egypt-shutdown* Lebanon and Israel leaflet drop: https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2026/03/13/israeli-warplanes-drop-leaflets-over-beirut-causing-panic-* More about QR code leaflet drop: https://smex.org/smex-warns-of-risks-related-to-scanning-qr-codes-on-israeli-leaflets/* More about the data security problem in Lebanon: https://smex.org/lebanons-data-security-problem-explained/* Open Season - PI's old report on Syria: https://privacyinternational.org/report/1016/open-season-building-syrias-surveillance-state* PI's Militarisation of Tech project: https://privacyinternational.org/campaigns/militarisation-of-tech

This week we're discussing borders, biometrics and more, as we take a look at what kind of surveillance you might experience if you're traveling to the World Cup, or to the EU schengen area. Acronyms- ETIAS: European Travel Information and Authorisation System (new for visa exempt; no biometrics - run by a central unit operated by frontex; this is where manual checks carried out if automated checks flag problems)- VIS: Visa information System (obvs for visas; age lowered to 6? - will soon check other systems)- EES: Entry/Exit system (biometrics on entry; records all border crossings)- CIR: Common Identity Repository (only non-eu citizens; weak anti-discrimination; identity info from visa and ta - data from other databases lives here and is used for purposes beyond travel e.g. police checks in country)- Eurodac: (all asylum seekers, and trying to add undocumented migrants)- ECRIS-TCN: European Criminal Records Information System for Third-Country Nationals (data on non-EU citizens convicted in one or more EU member state)- SIS: schengen information system (an EU database for police, judicial and border control/cooperation, to see whether they are wanted by the police or subject to an entry ban; checked on crossing external schengen border inc eu citizens)- MID: Multiple-Identity Detector- SLTED: Interpol’s Stolen and Lost Travel Documents database (checked on crossing external schengen border inc eu citizens)LinksWorld Cup: https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/5759/moving-goalposts-football-facial-recognition-and-expansion-surveillanceUSATrump Administration: https://privacyinternational.org/news-analysis/5713/trump-administration-wants-your-dna-and-social-mediaAirport Phone searches: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-phone-search.htmlCustoms and Border Protection phone searches: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority/border-search-electronic-devicesSnooperbowl 2000/2001 NFL seasonhttps://www.aclu.org/press-releases/firm-defends-snooper-bowl-technologyOmar Artan, the Somali Referee not allowed in to the US: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cnv9drg0qzgo Some more info on the Iranian team's travel restrictions https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/iran-thank-tijuana-after-world-cup-exit-support-mexico-second-team-2026-06-30/The EU's database complex - the EES and ETIASPI on EU travel surveillance from 2020 https://privacyinternational.org/explainer/4119/travel-surveillance-euStatewatch on the ETIAS https://statewatch.org/news/2026/april/europe-s-uncertain-plans-for-rolling-out-the-automated-border-system-etias/; Statewatch's full report: https://statewatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/sw-automated-suspicion-full.pdfStatewatch on expanding EU stravel surveillance: https://statewatch.org/news/2026/january/eu-member-states-want-to-expand-police-surveillance-of-travel/Court cases against Passenger Name Record directive: https://freiheitsrechte.org/en/themen/freiheit-im-digitalen-zeitalter/nopnr-enUN Counter TerrorPI's Travellers' Surveillance report from 2024 https://privacyinternational.org/sites/default/files/2024-12/PI Travellers surveillance report dec 2024_0.pdfPI's briefing: https://privacyinternational.org/report/5481/pis-briefing-travellers-surveillanceUK Border Search of digital devices https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2023-12-05/debates/D4EA367E-312B-4FA4-A441-0C4E7967C5D6/DigitalDevicesSearchPowersAtTheUKBorderUK's law on seizure of electronic devices from asylum seekers and migrants https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/powers-and-operational-procedure-caseworker-guidance/border-security-asylum-and-immigration-act-2025-seizure-of-electronic-devices-policy-guidance-accessibleTommy Robinson Court Case https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tommy-robinson-cleared-terror-charges-over-refused-phone-access-1752352Muhammad Rabbani - Director of Cage - Schedule 7 terror charges: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41394156

This week we're joined by Bill Goodwin, investigations editor at Computer Weekly and award-winning journalist, to discuss Europol's secret shadow IT system — and what it tells us about how law enforcement agencies evade oversight.LinksComputer Weekly investigation: https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366642525/They-protect-the-law-while-breaking-it-Inside-Europols-shadow-IT-systemWe Are Solomon: https://wearesolomon.com/en/mag/focus-area/accountability/they-protect-the-law-while-breaking-it-inside-europols-shadow-it-system/Privacy International's 2019 FOI on Europol: https://privacyinternational.org/report/3225/challenging-drivers-surveillance-eu-access-documents-requestsSpanish police and cryptophone intercepts: https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366643318/Spanish-police-systematically-hid-cryptophone-intercepts-from-courts-claims-ex-chiefBill's caseGoodwin v United Kingdom: https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/cases/goodwin-v-united-kingdom/The Independent — Reporter's rights violated: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/reporter-s-rights-violated-1438583.htmlHorizonParliamentary committee on Horizon redress: https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/365/business-and-trade-committee/news/212661/post-office-horizon-it-scandal-serious-structural-failings-persist-in-redress/Bill at TCIJ on breaking the Horizon story: https://tcij.org/summer-conference-event/breaking-horizon-post-office-scandal/

This is the third and final edition of our series on young peoples’ digital health and human rights.Today we’re talking to Alberta Nadutey - a research officer for working on the Digital Health and Rights project about how young people in Ghana interact with digital health, and Minh Anh a young person from the Vietnam community advisory team about her participation in the research in Vietnam, and what she sees as the biggest digital health concerns as a medical student interested in public health policy.LinksDHRP report: https://digitalhealthandrights.com/resource-library/report-paying-the-costs-of-connection/Ghana policy brief DHRP: https://digitalhealthandrights.com/resource-library/national-policy-brief-navigating-human-rights-and-risks-online-young-ghanaians-and-the-future-of-digital-health/Vietnam policy brief DHRP: https://digitalhealthandrights.com/resource-library/paying-the-cost-of-connection-vietnam-policy-brief/Ghana law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghanaian_anti-LGBTQ_bill

This week we're talking to Natalia Andrade and Laura Grisales Silva from Fundación Karisma about dating app data, the commodification of intimacy, and talking to Colombian young people about their experiences.Fundación Karisma are a member of the ⁠Digital Health and Rights Project⁠. LinksMore from Fundación Karisma: https://info.karisma.org.co/2018 Grindr shared HIV status and more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-436243282021 Norwegian DPA fines Grindr: https://www.edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2021/norwegian-dpa-imposes-fine-against-grindr-llc_enOngoing UK case in which Grindr is being sued: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj7mxnvz42no$40 million Bumble and Badoo class action settlement: https://www.jjlmlaw.com/news/bumble-biometric-privacy-40-million-settlement-approvedCriteo loses appeal on their fine: https://cybernews.com/privacy/french-ad-tech-giant-criteo-eur40m-privacy-fine/Karisma's work on WorldCoin in Colombia: https://blog.karisma.org.co/investigar-lo-invisible-del-iris-a-worldcoin-herramientas-de-investigacion-para-transformar-la-curiosidad-en-accion/WorldCoin in Colombia: https://cadeproject.org/updates/colombia-orders-worldcoin-shutdown-over-biometric-data-violations/

This week we're talking to Joan Musenya about life in Kenya as a young person - from mobile money, to data protection, to government surveillance. Joan is a member of the Kenyan Community Advisory Team (K-CAT) helping to steer the Digital Health and Rights Project. Links- Digital Health and Rights Project report: https://digitalhealthandrights.com/resource-library/report-paying-the-costs-of-connection/- Find more from Joan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joan-musenya/- PI's low cost tech work: https://www.privacyinternational.org/campaigns/privacy-shouldnt-be-luxury- More about shame based debt collection in Kenya: https://biznakenya.com/digital-lenders-kenya-debt-collection-warning/- More about what to do if you're experiencing harassment from debt collectors in Kenya: https://dealfish.co.ke/2025/03/mobile-loan-recovery-harassment-in.html- More about the history of M-Pesa: https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianstadler/2024/06/11/m-pesa-why-the-worlds-first-large-mobile-payment-platform-keeps-on-winning/- CNN apology to Kenya: https://www.newtimes.co.rw/article/121633/Latest%20News/cnn-boss-apologizes-to-kenya-over-terrorism-slur- PI's work on sim card registration: https://privacyinternational.org/learn/sim-card-registration

This week we're joined by Professor Peter Asaro from Stop Killer Robots, and Frank Slijper, Arms trade project lead at PAX to discuss military uses of AI, including Anthropic's stand-off with the US Department of Defense.Please note this podcast was recorded on the 20th March.**Links**Stop Killer Robots: https://www.stopkillerrobots.org/stop-killer-robots/Pax: https://paxforpeace.nl/who-we-are/organization/Stop Killer Robots at the UN: https://www.stopkillerrobots.org/news/reports-of-ai-enabled-targeting-in-iran-bring-real-world-impacts-to-the-un/Stop Killer Robots on Anthropic stand off: https://www.stopkillerrobots.org/news/press-release-stop-killer-robots-responds-to-the-anthropic-pentagon-standoff/**The Case**- The Anthropic case: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq571w5vllxo- The Anthropic supply chain designation: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5g3z3xe65o- Access, Tech Justice, and more's amicus: https://techjusticelaw.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Anthropic-amicus-press-release_updated.pdf**War and AI systems**- : https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/12/who-bombed-the-iranian-girls-school-killing-more-than-170-what-we-know- Lavender and Where's Daddy: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/- Project Maven: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/project-maven-ai-us-airstrike-iraq-anthropic-b2929138.html- More on Project Maven: https://www.businessinsider.com/palantir-project-maven-ai-demonstration-pentagon-2026-3?op=1- More on Project Maven: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven