
How to transition from a lead gen to demand gen and ungated marketing strategy
10/16/2025
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We're joined by guest Niall Sullivan to discuss why MQLs (at least the traditional way of defining MQLs) suck and how to shift to more demand gen and buyer-friendly marketing practices. We chat about:
• Moving away from gating content and focusing on educating buyers
• Measuring marketing's impact through pipeline and revenue metrics instead of MQLs
• Showing more product details and UI to help buyers understand the value
• Creating content that serves prospects, not just internal team needs
• Setting proper expectations when making big marketing strategy shifts
Niall drinks a traditional British ale 🍺
Ben drinks an All Day IPA 🍻
Natalie drinks tea 🫖
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