"He Said He Said" - The Confession of Mumia Abu Jamal

July 2nd resonates with profound significance – marking both the launch of this podcast four years ago and the day Pixie Africa broke free from MOVE with her five children. That courageous exodus, described as "driving a tank through a concrete wall," shattered decades of silence and control, allowing truth to finally emerge from within the organization.This date now stands as an Independence Day for MOVE survivors – a powerful counterpoint to the dates MOVE itself commemorates. When those born and raised inside finally said "no more lies, no more fear," they changed the trajectory of the organization forever and reclaimed their narrative. Their testimony revealed shocking truths about life inside MOVE: physical abuse, psychological manipulation, medical neglect, educational deprivation, and such profound despair that some children contemplated suicide.Yet MOVE continues operating openly – in classrooms, on campuses, and in political spaces. They're even collaborating with Hollywood figures like Lee Daniels and Regina Hall to adapt Mike's book into a movie, potentially burying victims' stories beneath a sanitized narrative. Their motto – "never give up, never back down" – isn't just a slogan but a warning that demands our vigilance and truth-telling.I'm expanding my platforms to continue this vital work. Subscribe to my new Substack "Beth is Not Afraid" for behind-the-scenes details and latest reporting. Check out my merchandise featuring designs that spark conversations about MOVE's realities – including the infamous "Ham Africa" moniker that exposes how leaders secretly ate meat while their followers and children subsisted on inadequate raw food diets. And their supporters praised them for being animal rights leaders on the scale of PETA.  To every source who trusted me with their story: I care for you, respect you, and am immensely proud of you. You showed extraordinary courage in speaking truth when it still cost you something. And to everyone listening – share this podcast, amplify these voices, and join me in ensuring this story that began with MOVE ultimately ends with truth and justice. Because the mirror MOVE holds up shows not just who they are, but who we are by what we choose to tolerate, ignore, or excuse.July 2nd, 2021 - put it on the timeline of MOVE's 50-year history as the day their victims exposed them as a dangerous cult.  Read Kevin Price's Blog post The producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

WARNING: disturbing language and content.Behind the veneer of revolutionary rhetoric and claims of natural living lies a darker reality that few have ever glimpsed. For decades, MOVE has carefully cultivated an image of a loving, principled liberation movement, but newly uncovered internal communication reveals something far more sinister.These never-before-seen letters—what can only be described as "hate mail" between MOVE members—expose the psychological warfare waged against anyone who showed signs of independent thought or questioning. They reveal how cult leader Vincent Leapheart (John Africa) maintained iron-fisted control through a sophisticated system of emotional manipulation, public humiliation, and threats."You're a criminal motherfucker," reads one letter to a MOVE member who dared express doubt while imprisoned. "Prison is where you belong." Another eight-page tirade calls a recipient "a worthless bitch, a freak" whose "goddamn head should be cut off" for the crime of communicating with a family member who had left the group. These aren't isolated incidents but part of a systematic approach to thought control documented across multiple letters.What makes these documents particularly chilling is their perfect alignment with established criteria for thought reform and cult indoctrination. Every psychological manipulation tactic identified by experts appears within these pages—milieu control, mystical manipulation, demand for purity, confession, sacred science, loaded language, doctrine over person, and dispensing of existence. They represent the complete toolkit of coercive control.Meanwhile, contemporary MOVE supporters continue selling a narrative of love and liberation, seemingly unaware—or deliberately ignoring—the mountain of evidence proving otherwise. After hearing these letters, no honest person can maintain the fiction that MOVE was anything other than what these documents reveal: a destructive cult that weaponized progressive rhetoric to mask authoritarian control.Listen to the actual words MOVE leaders wrote to their followers, then ask yourself: would you support an organization that treated human beings this way? And if you've already voiced support, what responsibility do you bear to acknowledge the truth now that it can no longer be denied?Resources:Dr. Robert Jay LiftonDr. Janja LalichAlexandra SteinThe producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

“I love y’all so much. Ain’t nothing I wouldn’t do for y’all.” —John Africa (Vincent Leaphart), founder of MOVEThanks to a confidential source, we gained access to dozens of private MOVE letters sent to incarcerated followers. At first glance, some of these letters appear warm, loyal, even loving - representative of what MOVE says they are - a chosen "family". But beneath the surface lies a deeply sophisticated system of control.Using Dr. Robert J. Lifton’s landmark framework for thought reform—developed in his seminal book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism—this episode unpacks the emotional and psychological manipulation embedded in MOVE’s prison correspondence.MOVE’s founder, Vincent Leaphart (known as John Africa), fused affection with control, cloaking coercion in the language of love. We identify all eight of Lifton’s classic markers of ideological subjugation:Milieu Control – Isolation from outside informationMystical Manipulation – Events reframed as divine guidanceDemand for Purity – Eradication of doubt or dissentCult of Confession – Compelled vulnerability used against membersSacred Science – Doctrine presented as ultimate, unquestionable truthLoading the Language – Slogans replace independent thoughtDoctrine over Person – Personal experiences denied if they contradict the groupDispensing of Existence – Only true believers are granted moral or spiritual legitimacyMost disturbing is how MOVE weaponized parenthood. In letter after letter, imprisoned parents were told how strong, loyal, and “revolutionary” their children were becoming when the reality was neglect and abuse. These so-called love letters were more than emotional support. They were tools of indoctrination, surveillance, and control, designed to maintain ideological loyalty even behind bars.To further understand how cults keep their hold through isolation and imprisonment,  check out the works of Dr. Lifton and Dr. Janja Lalich, whose powerful book Bounded Choice explores how seemingly rational people remain devoted to manipulative groups under high control.The producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

*warning: discussion of violence, threats, and the use of a racial slur that is explained but is censored.     What happens when a cult's carefully crafted narrative faces public scrutiny? The answer lies in this shocking exploration of MOVE's 2005 radio appearance and their confrontation with America's Most Wanted five years later.Following Fox 29's coverage of John Gilbride's unsolved murder, MOVE members secured two hours of airtime on Philadelphia's WURD Radio. What unfolded wasn't a defense or clarification—it was a masterclass in manipulation tactics. Through strategic deflection, character assassination, and veiled threats, they demonstrated exactly how high-control groups maintain their grip on both members and public perception.The broadcast reveals multiple layers of MOVE's operational playbook. When former MOVE member Tony Allen calls in to ask what happened to John Gilbride, he's immediately attacked as "nobody" and "a cop"—classic dehumanization techniques designed to silence dissent.  Tony Allen's Defector Blog Meanwhile, Gary Wonderlin (who married MOVE leader Alberta weeks after John's murder) calls in under an alias, and it seems that pretending to be someone else is kind of his "thing".Most revealing is what happened in 2010 when America's Most Wanted was producing an episode about Gilbride's murder and was seeking comment from Alberta and MOVE - a profanity-laden confrontation captured by multiple cameras that ended in a racial slur. This pattern of deflection, intimidation, and narrative control isn't random—it's calculated. By examining these tactics through the lens of cult psychology, we gain crucial insight into how MOVE has avoided accountability for decades while simultaneously portraying themselves as victims.For those seeking the truth about John Gilbride's unsolved murder, this episode provides essential context for understanding why this case remains open. The question remains: if MOVE truly had nothing to hide, why go to such extraordinary lengths to shut down legitimate questions about the murder of someone they knew very well?If you have any information about the John Gilbride unsolved homicide case , The Burlington County Prosecutor's Office tip line email is [email protected]. This email address can be used to report information about a crime or incident. Additionally, you can reach the office through their website, burlpros.org, or contact the Victim Witness Unit at 609.265.5048. The producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

When MOVE feels threatened, they turn to friendly media outlets to control their narrative. This episode takes you inside a revealing 2005 WURD Radio broadcast where MOVE members responded to a Fox News segment about the unsolved murder of John Gilbride. The previously unreleased audio exposes how cult propaganda works in real-time.Ramona Africa, MOVE's Minister of Information, leads a coordinated response where members employ classic manipulation tactics: denying involvement in John's murder while simultaneously casting doubt on whether he was actually killed, deflecting attention to a mysterious "Dominican wife," and portraying themselves as victims of media persecution. Most disturbing is their repeated suggestion that John's son was MOVE's property, not an individual with rights to know his father.What makes this exploration particularly powerful is hearing MOVE members' own words contradicting themselves over time. Mike Africa Jr, who in 2005 participated in MOVE's character assassination of John, portrays him as "a good dude" and even a friend in his 2024 memoir—claiming John's murder "fucked him up." These contradictions reveal how propaganda evolves when organizations fear losing control of their narrative.The episode also connects dots around Alberta Wicker's strange decision to change her surname to "Gilbridge" after John's death—matching a typo on his autopsy report—raising questions about possible financial motivations.Former MOVE members have alleged that they believe the group is somehow involved in John's murder. Their testimonies, combined with MOVE's own recorded words from 2005, paint a disturbing picture of how authoritarian groups weaponize media to intimidate critics, rewrite history, and maintain control over their followers.The producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

Here is the very interesting Howard Stern show mentioned in previous episode about Mumia - TC 01:30:47 -01:51:08 (thanks to listener Alex).A prison friendship leads to an unexpected confession that threatens to collapse the entire Free Mumia movement. Twenty-five years after a bombshell Vanity Fair article claimed Mumia Abu-Jamal admitted to killing Officer Daniel Faulkner, the source of that revelation speaks out in his own words.Philip Bloch wasn't supposed to be part of this story. A former radical turned prison volunteer, he formed an unlikely intellectual bond with America's most famous death row inmate through philosophical conversations about justice, violence, and remorse. What transpired during those visits would eventually make national headlines and challenge everything supporters believed about Mumia's case.Bloch takes us inside the maximum-security prison where he and Mumia discussed everything from Thoreau to the Los Angeles riots, revealing the complex humanity behind the political symbol. When Bloch asked if Mumia regretted killing Faulkner, the one-word answer—"yes"—remained private for seven years until Bloch, disturbed by attacks on Faulkner's widow, decided to come forward.The aftermath was explosive: media firestorms, public smears, and Mumia's vehement denial. Yet Bloch's account defies simple categorization. Neither right-wing crusader nor attention-seeker, he maintains that Mumia is "not a monster" while standing by his account. His testimony raises profound questions about what happens when movements become more important than truth—when human beings transform into symbols that can't be allowed to show weakness, change, or express remorse.Connect with us on social media or email [email protected] with information about Mumia's case, John Gilbride's murder, or missing child Shaeida Holloway. Rate, review, and share this podcast to help others find this untold story.The producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

A powerful moment in 1999 captures everything you need to know about how MOVE operated. When Rage Against the Machine held a benefit concert for Mumia Abu-Jamal, they didn't just pack an arena with passionate fans—they delivered approximately $75,000 straight into MOVE's coffers. The organization's leadership understood that Mumia's case was their golden ticket to Hollywood, mainstream visibility, financial support, and fresh recruits.  Here is the Howard Stern show mentioned - TC 01:30:47 -01:51:08 (thanks to listener Alex).Through meticulous research into archived recordings, Beth unveils the calculated recruitment strategy that played out when Mumia delivered a commencement address at Evergreen State College. Behind his revolutionary rhetoric was a 13-minute advertisement for MOVE and its founder, Vincent Leaphart (John Africa).  LINK TO VIDEO of CommencementThe speech reveals the organization's chameleon-like ability to mirror whatever values potential recruits held most dear—a classic cult tactic that expert Dr. Janja Lalich calls "Bounded Choice."Examining Mumia's commencement speech is an opportunity to unpack the recruitment and control dynamics in MOVE - lots of word play, virtue signaling and creating alignment in order to create connections that foster support for both Mumia and MOVE.  The investigation takes a darker turn when examining how MOVE specifically targeted teens and young adults using romantic relationships to lure young men, especially those with weapons training, into Vincent's clutches. What looked like love and purpose was actually calculated grooming and for many, like Mike Davis, it would lead to decades in prison following the 1978 shootout with police.Most telling is Mumia's continued accessibility to supporters while remaining completely unavailable to those investigating MOVE's alleged abuses aka "That Beth McNamara" as MOVE refers to me. Despite reaching out multiple times, Beth has received no response from Mumia regarding the serious allegations made by former MOVE children who have come forward on this podcast. The contrast between his public persona as a revolutionary truth-teller and his silence on these matters speaks volumes.Why does this matter now? Because understanding how effective MOVE's recruitment tactics were in 1999 helps explain how MOVE and other high control groups aka cults and extremist groups continue to operate today. When someone appears to be all things to all people, mirroring your values perfectly while asking for your trust and resources, it might not be aliThe producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

The haunting story of the MOVE bombing unfolds through the eyes of Philadelphia police officer Jim Berghaier—the Stakeout Cop who rescued 13-year-old Birdie Africa, the only child to survive when authorities dropped explosives on a West Philadelphia rowhouse on May 13, 1985.Standing in the same narrow alley where it happened, Berghaier walks us minute by minute through his experience of that day. His visceral recollections take us back to the moment a satchel of explosives—meant to disable a fortified rooftop bunker—missed its mark. A fire quickly spread, engulfing the MOVE compound and surrounding homes. Through the smoke and chaos,  Berghaier spots a young boy emerging from the flames. Ignoring warnings that it might be a trap, he sprinted into the water-filled alley to save him.The emotion in Berghaier’s voice is unmistakable as he recalls Birdie’s first words: “Don’t shoot me, don’t shoot me.” Followed by the painfully ordinary: “I’m hungry. I want something to eat.” These moments cut through the political narratives that have long defined the MOVE bombing—revealing something more human, more immediate.What makes this account especially powerful is Berghaier’s candor. Officers had been told there were no children in the house. They expected the fire to be extinguished. They thought MOVE members would come out. But they didn’t. Eleven people—six adults and five children—died inside 6221 Osage Avenue. Sixty-one homes were destroyed in a predominantly Black middle-class neighborhood.This episode offers a first-hand account—but doesn’t claim to provide a definitive conclusion. Forty years later, many questions remain. But hearing directly from those who were there adds a crucial layer to understanding what happened that day.Let It Burn - Michael and Randi Boyette https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31202750-let-it-burnTemple University Archive - MOVe https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll18The producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

The shadows of Philadelphia's MOVE organization stretch far beyond the infamous 1985 bombing on Osage Avenue. Through an exclusive interview with Richard Garland—a former gang member who encountered MOVE while incarcerated at Holmesburg Prison—we uncover the cult's prison recruitment tactics and the mysterious figure at its center.Garland reveals his extraordinary three-day encounter with Vincent Leapheart (John Africa) through prison cell walls, describing a "soft voice that commanded you would listen." His testimony provides rare insight into how MOVE maintained control over members, even those behind bars, through a sophisticated system of coded communications and psychological manipulation.The interview raises disturbing questions about May 13th, 1985. Was Vincent Leapheart actually in the house when police dropped the bomb? Why did MOVE members tell Garland that John Africa was "still alive" afterward? And what explains the medical examiner's notation that "Body F"—presumed to be Vincent—was missing its head, which appeared to have been "sawed" off?For decades, these questions have remained largely unanswered as MOVE members have pursued financial settlements rather than scientific verification through DNA testing. Garland's story serves as a crucial puzzle piece in understanding how MOVE functioned both in and out of the Pennsylvania prison system and how 40 years later, there are more stones to turn over in the MOVE story.As we mark the 40th anniversary of the MOVE confrontation, this episode challenges listeners to examine all aspects of this complicated story—the victims, the survivors, the uncomfortable truths that continue to haunt everyone involved, and the questions that MOVE still avoids answering.Materials for this episode are on the website - Page S3 Ep 5Information on Holmesburg Prison:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmesburg_Prisonhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/988758.Acres_of_SkinThe producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.

When memoir meets mythology, what happens to historical truth? This gripping episode investigates Mike Africa Jr.'s vivid account of his childhood in Richmond, Virginia, revealing a remarkable disconnect between his published narrative and documented reality.Through painstaking research, including interviews with the retired detective who led the 1980 operation, the prosecutor who brought charges, and the attorney who represented MOVE women, we uncover the actual circumstances surrounding the removal of 14 malnourished MOVE children from a Richmond house. Medical reports, court documents, and newspaper accounts directly contradict Mike's dramatic tale of police sirens, an orphanage with cruel nuns, and a daring escape.The investigation places Mike at just 16 months old during these events, not the nearly three years he claims in his memoir. Photos taken during medical examinations show a distended belly and no dreadlocks, contradicting key elements of his story. Most significantly, there were no orphanages in Richmond at that time—the children were taken to a hospital and placed with foster families.Beyond fact-checking, this episode reveals the profound connection between this little-known Richmond chapter, a lawyer who, if he had made a different choice, might have prevented 6 children from being with MOVE on May 13, 1985.  You will hear that Pixie Africa, who escaped MOVE in 2021 with her 5 children when this podcast launched - she was not the first to attempt that - there is a woman that MOVE never speaks of because she got away and took her two children. The producers of this podcast wish to stress that all individuals reference in this series are presumed innocent unless or until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law in the United States of America.Support the showExecutive Produced, reported, hosted, and edited by Beth McNamaraAdditional research by Robert HelmsMurder At Ryan's RunInstagramFacebook PagePodcast Press If you have questions, comments, tips, or media inquiries, please reach out on social media or via email: [email protected] individuals referenced in this podcast are presumed to be innocent unless or until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a United States court of law.