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EP 140: Bullshit, Lying, and the Truth with John V. Petrocelli

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In this episode, Kimberly and John discuss his newest book “The Life-Changing Science of Detecting Bullshit” which explains the differences between bullshitting, lying, and deciphering the truth. John explains many different facets of how humans are susceptible to bullshit and lying, especially from someone close or familiar to us, as well as how to have a productive conversation with someone who makes biased claims posing as truth. 

 

Bio

John V. Petrocelli is an experimental social psychologist and Professor of Psychology at Wake Forest University. His research examines the causes and consequences of BS and BSing in the way of better understanding and improving BS detection and disposal. Petrocelli’s research contributions also include attitudes and persuasion and the intersections of counterfactual thinking with learning, memory and decision making. His research has appeared in the top journals of his field including the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Petrocelli also serves an Associate Editor of Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin.

 

What He Shares:

—Difference between bullshitting and lying

—How cross-field research is most credible

—Questions to ask when someone makes a claim

—Humility in seeking the truth

—Seeking truth amid echo chambers and polarization 

 

What You’ll Hear:

—Difference between bullshit and lying

—Liar interested in truth in order to tell a successful lie

—BSer doesn’t care about truth, could state truth but BSer wouldn’t know it

—Liar doesn’t believe what they’re communicating and knows they’re lying

—BSer does believe in what they say

—We assume BS has no harm or effects and that we cant detect it (false)

--Those most confident in detecting BS are most duped by it (research shows)

—Those who have strongest beliefs about something can be often most clueless about the evidence & truth

--Research behind MMR vaccine and debunked link to autism

—Cross-discipline agreements trend as most credible

—Confirmation bias is only caring about what appears to be evidence or explanation that confirms our pre-existing beliefs or hypothesis

—Preferences va attitudes

—Own personal/professional experiences inform our beliefs

—Data collection regarding experiences is messy and random

--Information we get from personal and professional experience is often counterintuitive and not necessarily data we want to count

—When people obtain good information, research shows tends to suggest people are pretty reasonable in inferences they make from information presented

—-Major problem treating anecdotal, small data points of interest as much weight as we would give data on a mass scale

—How do we know when something is credible? How do we tell inside of ourselves? How do we tell outside of ourselves?

—Data shows only need to hear BS one time, mind tends to signal truth i

—Mind signals truth is felt familiar (heard before) easily confuse familiarity with truth

—Interpersonal BS (people we care about, communicate with frequently) is most potent

--People we don’t communicate with is somewhat potent

—Who are they? What do they know? How do they know that claim? What is their agenda?

—Calling BS and being challenged on our beliefs is rare to occur especially when it’s easy to be locked into our echo chambers

—Living in era where vehicles for expression, making recordings and content leads us exposed to many things an equalizer and messiness of truth and reality

—Cultural ideas coming to forefront of there is no truth, everything is relative

—“Gullability” (when are cues that suggest person isn’t interested in truth)

—We feel obligated to have opinions on things at an expanded magnitude from previous times

—Passively receiving information vs. actively sorting through information for truth

—BSers use abstract explanations/heady values and reasons and less hardcore genuine evidence

—HOW do you know this is true? HOW do you think this claim might be wrong?

—Listening and communicating to win or prove we’re right doesn’t get us as far 

—Having intellectual humility 

—Tribalism we see today resembles cults

—Spade for other ways of knowing, mystery, and magic

—What can’t be studied or measured (“love”)

 

Resources

Website: https://psychology.wfu.edu/about-the-department/faculty-and-staff/john-petrocelli/

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    EP 138: Cultish - The Language of Fanaticism with Amanda Montell

    47:09

    In this episode, Kimberly and Amanda discuss language, cultism, and community. Amanda explains aspects of her book “Cultish” to describe how religious principles still permeate much of our secular culture, how groups such as fitness brands and start-ups use language similar to cults, and how we can give ourselves and each other more flexibility in how we use language, identify with groups, and hold disagreements. Ultimately, they discuss how language is based on context, evolves over time, and requires a genuine understanding as we use it to communicate with each other.   Bio Amanda Montell is a writer, language scholar, and podcast host from Baltimore. She is the author of two critically acclaimed books: Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism, an indie bestseller about the language of "cults" from Scientology to SoulCycle and Wordslut: A Feminist Guide to Taking Back the English Language. Amanda's books have earned praise from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic, Time Magazine, Harper's Bazaar, and Kirkus Reviews, among others, and Amanda is currently developing Wordslut for television with FX Studios, serving as creator, writer, and executive producer. Amanda is also the creator and co-host of the comedy-cult podcast, Sounds Like A Cult. As a reporter and essayist, Amanda's writing has been featured in Marie Claire, Cosmopolitan, Teen Vogue, Refinery29, DAME Magazine, The Rumpus, and Who What Wear, where she formerly served as the Features & Beauty Editor. She holds a degree in linguistics from NYU and lives in Los Angeles with her partner, plants, and pets.   What She Shares: --How religious principles still exist in secular culture --Aspects of cults that can be harmless and harmful --How social media is cultish --Finding space in the grey areas    What You’ll Hea:r --American protestant principles infiltrates culture through finding meaning, community, transformation --Fitness brands like SoulCycle and CrossFit act as religions in a secular society --Cult definitions vary despite sensationalized media portrayals --Most cults have not been linked to criminal activity --Everyone is susceptible to cultish influence --Language clues us to cultish groups or communities --Protestant ethic deeply embedded in ideas of meritocracy and cleansing self of badness found in culture --Many cults of 60s and 70s use Evangelical concepts appropriated with Eastern religious language --Obsession with word art is similar to Protestant shift from images to text  --Buzz words from psychology, feminist politics, etc. used as codes in various communities --”Thought terminating cliches” as expressions that are easily remembered and shut down any questioning --Semantic stop-signs in conspiritualist circles --Intuition vs. facts --Admitting when we’re wrong and overwhelmed by information --No spaces culturally exist for grey areas of life --Evolving language and incredibly challenging time of reckoning what language feels inclusive and accurate --Cults aren’t always necessarily as extreme as Jonestown but can be exploitative, abusive, and trauma-inducing --Mainstream groups that function as certain dangers and exploitation --”Cult” definition is varied and nuanced --Language is dependent on context --Social media cultivating cultism in ourselves, our interests, our beliefs, etc. --Being able to recognize our full humanity outside of groups and communities   Resources Website: http://amandamontell.com/ IG: @amanda_montell

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