Kirk Jones and Robert Aramayo on the making of ‘I Swear’

This week, Kim Masters speaks with director Kirk Jones and actor Robert Aramayo about I Swear, the BAFTA winning film about Tourette’s advocate John Davidson. Jones talks about using his own life savings to self-finance the project after potential backers pushed him to tone down the film’s language, and how that decision allowed him to cast Aramayo in the lead without studio oversight. Aramayo discusses the physical and emotional demands of portraying Davidson, a role that required extensive preparation and ultimately earned him a BAFTA. They also reflect on the widely publicized moment at the BAFTA ceremony that brought renewed attention to Tourette’s syndrome. Plus, in the aftermath of the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, Kim Masters and Matt Belloni unpack the FCC scrutiny facing The Walt Disney Company over a recent late-night jab from Jimmy Kimmel. The duo also explore the unexpected box office strength of a controversial Michael Jackson biopic and the delicate balancing act at Lionsgate as it weighs a potential sequel amid ongoing public backlash.  

This week, Kim Masters speaks with Ben McKenzie about his documentary Everyone Is Lying to You for Money, which examines fraud in the cryptocurrency world. The actor discusses leaning into his popularity as Ryan on The OC as a narrative device in the film—one that helped get him in the room for a cringe-inducing interview with now-convicted crypto figure Sam Bankman-Fried. McKenzie also explains how he bet against crypto to help finance the project and shares some thoughts on the celebrities who profited from crypto endorsements. Plus, as the White House Correspondents’ Dinner approaches—with Donald Trump expected to attend and a mentalist booked instead of a comedian—Masters and Matt Belloni examine concerns about the event’s legitimacy, media boycotts, and the broader political entanglements facing outlets like CBS News under David Ellison’s leadership.

This week, Kim Masters speaks with Riz Ahmed about his modern retelling of Hamlet. The actor and producer discusses the decade-long journey of adapting the Shakespeare classic and how the project evolved from a planned Netflix streaming release to securing theatrical distribution with Focus Features. He also jokes about family members misinterpreting the significance of his Oscar-nominated performance in Sound of Metal and traces the origins of the “Riz Test,” a Bechdel-adjacent measure of Muslim representation in storytelling. Plus, as theater owners and studio executives share their views on the Paramount–Warner Bros. deal at CinemaCon, thousands of industry professionals—including Ben Stiller, Kristen Stewart, and J.J. Abrams—have signed a petition to block the merger. Kim Masters and Matt Belloni examine Hollywood’s opposition and consider whether the growing outcry will have any real influence as the company seeks approval from regulators and shareholders.

This week, Kim Masters sits down with Drew Goddard to discuss adapting Andy Weir’s novel Project Hail Mary for the big screen. He reflects on how his early days writing on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Alias, and Lost trained him to move fast, as he did when he was tasked with turning around the script for Cloverfield after Paramount greenlit the project from an outline. He also talks about being brought in to rescue World War Z, and shares the advice he gave Andy Weir about a potential Project Hail Mary sequel. Plus, Masters and Matt Belloni dig into the fallout from Jeff Shell’s exit as Paramount president, tied to allegations of leaking company information. The banter partners also spotlight a bit of good news in the industry following last week’s box office report: the Writers Guild’s unexpected four-year contract extension with studios, which could help build momentum ahead of SAG-AFTRA negotiations set to resume later this month.

The Academy Awards are behind us, but we’re sharing unheard stories from Kim Masters’ interviews with some of the recently minted Oscar winners. That includes director Joachim Trier, who shares how he landed on casting Elle Fanning in his Best International Feature winner, Sentimental Value. Trier also talks about getting to a place where he can cast well-known actors who sign on to his films without reading a script, just because it’s him. And we hear more from Autumn Durald Arkapaw, the first woman to win an Academy Award for Best Cinematography. She breaks down the challenges of shooting Sinners for IMAX, and recalls Christopher Nolan’s advice to Ryan Coogler about the best way to shoot the movie. Plus, Masters and Matt Belloni dig into the theatrical bounce-back, with the box office up 23% from last year. They point to big wins like Project Hail Mary and The Super Mario Galaxy Movie, which is on track to pull in $200 million domestically and $350 million worldwide. The banter partners also unpack a stacked summer slate from Universal and Disney, and weigh in on superhero fatigue, with the latest Avengers movie set to drop this December.

And just like that, Josh D'Amaro’s first week as CEO of The Walt Disney Company proved challenging, to say the least. From a brewing Bachelorette scandal to the abrupt cancellation of Sora by OpenAI, and fresh turmoil at Epic Games amid layoffs, Matt Belloni and Lucas Shaw unpack the challenges facing Disney’s new chief. Plus, we revisit our conversation with Daryl Hannah, who joined Masters last year to discuss her Neil Young concert film Coastal, which had a limited theatrical run in 2025. Hannah reflects on her years of acting and activism, pursued alongside figures like Willie Nelson, Joan Baez, and… Robert F. Kennedy Jr. She also recounts a painful experience with Harvey Weinstein during the Kill Bill press tour, and reveals what prompted her to proclaim “Slava Ukraini” at last year’s Academy Awards.

This week, Kim talks to Diane Becker and Ted Tremper about The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist. The producers discuss how they managed to land big names in machine learning, including the CEOs of OpenAI and Anthropic. Becker and Tremper also explain how they nearly got Elon Musk—until, surprisingly, he ghosted. They also share how they kept their brains from melting while tackling a subject as overwhelming as AI. Plus, Masters and Matt Belloni break down the first week of Disney’s new CEO, Josh D’Amaro, who outlined his goals for the company in a memo to employees, emphasizing creative storytelling and the embrace of new technology. Meanwhile, the banter partners examine Wall Street’s negative reaction to the Paramount–Warner Bros. merger and why California Attorney General Rob Bonta has vowed to scrutinize David Ellison’s acquisition of the legacy studio.  

This week, Kim talks with Tilly Norwood creator Eline Van der Velden, who defends her controversial synthetic character. Van der Velden argues that Tilly Norwood is simply another character, an extension of herself, not so different from others she’s created during her years as an actress. The Particle6 Productions co-founder explains why she believes entertainment built with generative AI will find a place in the industry and predicts that more agents will follow CAA’s lead in signing synthetic characters. Plus, Kim Masters and Matt Belloni discuss Ben Affleck’s investment in AI through his company Interpositive, which he sold to Netflix in a deal that could reach $600 million. The banter partners also address Live Nation’s ticketing practices, including a lawsuit with evidence of employees joking about price gouging fans — comments that later prompted the company to distance itself from those involved.

This week, Kim talks with SAG-AFTRA president Sean Astin about stepping into the job during a tumultuous year for Hollywood. His early tenure has already included an FCC clash involving Jimmy Kimmel, the arrival of synthetic “performers,” and some wonky legal maneuvering from OpenAI. Astin discusses the most pressing issues facing the union as bargaining is underway, including wages and working conditions as well as the challenges posed by AI companies scraping copyrighted material. Plus, David Ellison has unveiled plans to merge Paramount+ and HBO Max into a single streaming platform. Kim Masters and Matt Belloni dig into the proposal – which comes with about $80 billion in debt and the strong likelihood of layoffs –  and the familiar promise that “synergies” in tech, ad sales and platforms will do the heavy lifting. They also examine how the shake-up may affect HBO leadership, the uncertain future of CNN, and how Donald Trump’s influence could complicate an already fraught moment for media companies.

This week, Kim sits down with Brazilian writer-director Kleber Mendonça Filho to discuss his Oscar-nominated political thriller The Secret Agent. A former film critic, Mendonça explains why he still reads every review of his work. He also reflects on the backlash that followed his 2016 Cannes red carpet protest against Brazil’s leadership and the fallout that complicated the Oscar hopes for Aquarius. Plus, a special guest drops in for a brief chat. Meanwhile, in an unexpected turn of events, Netflix has dropped out of the Warner Bros. bidding war, leaving Paramount as the winner. Masters and Matt Belloni dive into the streamer’s decision to bow out, what could lie ahead for Warner Bros. and its news networks, and the legal hoops Paramount may expect with the Department of Justice. Do you love listening to The Business? We want to hear from you! Please take a moment to share your feedback in this survey so we can make your listening experience better. Thank you!