
Tiny Experiments: What If You Didn't Need a Five-Year Plan? with Anne-Laure Le Cunff
Imagine being told you need urgent surgery for a blood clot, and your first instinct is to check your work calendar.
That's exactly what happened to Anne-Laure Le Cunff.
And if that doesn't make you question the relationship between ambition, success and the ridiculous things we sometimes expect of ourselves, I don't know what will.
This week, I'm joined by neuroscientist, former Googler and founder of Ness Labs, Anne-Laure Le Cunff, author of Tiny Experiments: How to Live Freely in a Goal-Obsessed World.
Anne-Laure describes her early career as climbing the corporate ladder, chasing promotions and being the woman who said yes to absolutely everything. Until a frightening health scare made her reconsider what success actually meant.
Now, I should probably confess that Anne-Laure has been in bed with me for months. Before anyone gets excited, I'm talking about her audiobook, which I've been listening to, making notes on and thoroughly enjoying.
Because I blinking well love the idea behind Tiny Experiments.
We've become so accustomed to setting goals, making plans and deciding what success should look like that we sometimes forget we can learn an awful lot by simply trying something and seeing what happens.
And that's where this conversation gets really interesting.
We get into:
- How Anne-Laure went from climbing the career ladder at Google to building Ness Labs through a writing experiment she never imagined would become a business.
- Why uncertainty makes us uncomfortable and how an experimental mindset can change our relationship with failure, progress and success.
- The wonderfully simple idea of tiny experiments, and Anne-Laure's PACT framework for turning curiosity into something you can actually try.
- Why procrastination might be telling you something useful, including her Triple Check of the head, heart and hand.
- The difference between achieving an impressive goal and actually enjoying the life you're creating along the way.
- Why we've become so bloody uncomfortable with doing nothing, from reaching for our phones in supermarket queues to my childhood memories of watching raindrops race down bus windows.
And then there's Anne-Laure's Six-Word Memoir, which rather beautifully captures the whole conversation.
"found freedom through running tiny experiments"
There's something rather liberating about that, isn't there?
You can have ambition, you can have plans and you can want to do something meaningful with your life without having to know exactly how every chapter is going to unfold.
Sometimes the most useful thing you can do is try something small, pay attention to what happens and let what you learn inform what comes next.
So, have a listen. And if you know someone whose calendar is currently making far too many of their life decisions, perhaps send this their way.
Find out more about Anne-Laure:
- Explore Anne-Laure's work at Ness Labs
- Discover Tiny Experiments, the book
- Subscribe to the Ness Labs newsletter
And if you're looking for somewhere to put more of your own curiosity into practice, FoundHer Fire brings together coaching, community and human scaffolding for experienced women navigating business, leadership and life.
Content note: This episode includes a brief account of a serious medical emergency.
Sarah is the founder of FoundHer Fire; a women in business membership and community. She is also the author of The Human Scaffolding System - the personal operating system for cracking on, on purpose.
FoundHer Fire provides coaching, peer intelligence, expert input, practical development and real-time support in one ecosystem, so the woman behind the job title, behind the business has somewhere to strengthen her clarity, courage, confidence and energy while she is still doing the job, running the business and managing everything else around it.
And why now? Because the environment these women are leading through keeps asking more of them. Change, uncertainty, restructures, business transformation, career transitions and the collision of work with life load do not arrive one at a time. Capable women compensate for a long time, which can make the cost almost invisible until something gives, they disengage, reconsider what they want or decide they would rather take their experience somewhere else. FoundHer Fire gives them scaffolding before that point.
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