Never Broken Just Misunderstood

In this candid episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood sits down with Jenny Lucas to peel back the layers behind the late-diagnosed neurodivergence experience. Joanne invites listeners to reflect on what it really means to live authentically while navigating misconceptions, burnout, and the pressure to “fit in.” Together, they unravel the stigmatised journey many autistic and ADHD adults face, exploring neurodivergent masking, the exhaustion of constant performance, and the liberation found in deep self-acceptance. Practical strategies for managing neurodivergence in work and life soon emerge, with both guests sharing how self-awareness—and even AI—become critical accessibility tools rather than liabilities. Jenny Lucas is a late-diagnosed autistic ADHD woman, coach, and best-selling author of “Autism, ADHD and Me.” She founded Audhdistically Me to guide adults newly confronting their neurodivergence, helping them shed internalised stigma and the exhausting practice of masking. Jenny’s approach is grounded in lived experience, offering translation for the chaotic reality of late realisation. Through her story, Jenny highlights the often-overlooked research gap around neurodivergence in women, the emotional aftermath of discovery, and her innovative use of technology to overcome executive dysfunction. She is notably active across social media and operates her own podcast, writing, and coaching platforms. The conversation sees Joanne and Jenny demystifying the unique traits of neurodivergence, questioning the pressure for formal diagnosis, and discussing how personal authenticity transforms workplace and social engagement. They explore the intersection between autistic routines and ADHD spontaneity, surfacing the reality of competing needs and the need to renegotiate self-expectations. Lively anecdotes about memory, social exhaustion, and the role of digital tools make these themes relatable and practical.

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne and Darren Tompkins grapple with the evolving meaning of inclusion beyond the traditional confines of the CV. The discussion ranges from inclusive hiring and the complexities of matching people to work, to the role that technology and AI now play in shaping candidate experience and culture. Joanne probes deeply into what it truly takes for organisations to foster belonging, and Darren shares real-life stories from his own company and industry, highlighting the significance of seeing beyond performance metrics and rigid job descriptions. Darren is the founder and CEO of Vader-Rey Companies, with 21 years immersed in the interplay between practical business needs and people-centred workplace culture. With roots in the oil, gas, construction, and technology sectors, he’s built an enterprise that unites recruiting expertise, engineering contractors, and a global virtual workforce. Darren’s philosophy is firmly built on treating every individual—regardless of contract type or geography—with humanity, dignity, and a strong sense of value. Throughout the conversation, he shares reflections as both an entrepreneur and a veteran, openly discussing the challenges and triumphs of building genuinely inclusive workplaces, even when that means making tough decisions or walking away from clients whose values don’t align. The episode surfaces several key themes: the limitations of hiring simply for technical fit; the tension between anonymous, “box-ticking” recruitment and authentic representation of self; the risks of a “hire slow, fire fast” approach when not balanced ethically; and the ongoing struggle against the tides of political systems that threaten progress on diversity, equity and inclusion. Joanne and Darren also explore the impact of AI and automation on hiring, questioning whether human connection might be lost amid the promise of efficiency. A standout point is Darren’s insistence on embracing and learning from failure, not hiding from it—a message echoed by Joanne’s own stories.

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Tatiana Koval to explore how we can cultivate happiness through inclusive workplace cultures. Joanne sets the stage by shining a light on the rapidly shifting dynamics within our organisations, from demographic changes and generational diversity to the rise of artificial intelligence. Tatiana, drawing on her broad international experience, examines how inclusion and empathy are not just aspirations, but vital practices for organisational success and personal well-being. Their discussion navigates the practicalities of leading diverse teams, tackling the biases of age and experience, and redesigning roles for a healthier, more engaged workforce. Tatiana is a global workplace happiness advocate and corporate culture expert whose career spans multiple continents and cultures. Originally from Russia and now based in São Paulo, Tatiana has lived and worked in Asia and Latin America, offering her a firsthand appreciation of diversity in action. She describes her superpower as a blend of empathy, adaptability, and creativity—qualities evident in her approach to building people-centred cultures across generations and geographies. Tatiana's expertise lies in her ability to bridge gaps, whether across cultural divides or between employees at different life stages, and in helping organisations implement tangible, positive changes rather than relying on ideology alone. Throughout their exchange, Joanne and Tatiana discuss reverse mentoring, the sandwich generation, and the evolving demands on leaders to be both system-thinkers and empathetic facilitators. They highlight how organisational happiness can be measured not only in positive emotions but in meaning, engagement, and psychological safety. These elements, they argue, are essential in a world where both younger and older employees must find belonging and purpose amidst technological and societal transformation.

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Kate Gaskell to explore what authentic belonging means beyond one’s background, social status, or upbringing. Their conversation traverses the unspoken rules and systemic barriers that can limit social mobility, highlighting the nuanced interplay of privilege, identity, and opportunity. Joanne and Kate reflect on their early life experiences, addressing the stigma attached to socioeconomic status and the emotional journey of advancing into new spaces, from state school and free school meals to Oxford University and leading a purpose-driven business. The episode unpacks the realities of imposter syndrome, assimilation, and why contextual recruitment is crucial for genuine inclusion within organisations. Kate is the CEO of Flex Legal, where she heads the Flex Trainee social mobility scheme—an initiative dedicated to inclusive hiring in the legal sector. Drawing from her background as a lawyer, hypnotherapist, yoga teacher, sound meditation guide, and breath work practitioner, she champions whole-person wellbeing and somatic workplace wellness. Raised by a single mother after moving to England from Scotland, Kate is passionate about demystifying privilege and widening access for aspiring legal professionals from non-traditional backgrounds, using both lived experience and professional insight to mentor and uplift others. Together, Joanne and Kate dissect the pitfalls of traditional recruitment, the dangers of sanitising individuality in favour of ‘fitting in’, and the power of networks and peer support for maintaining confidence. They spotlight the importance of creating psychologically safe environments where everyone can contribute, thrive and be themselves. With practical anecdotes—ranging from surviving council estates to navigating magic circle firms—the discussion brings lived experience to the forefront and asks: are we really designing systems that allow true belonging, or merely new forms of assimilation?

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Lynnae Brown for a thought-provoking exploration of the role that clarity plays in fostering belonging within organisations. Joanne and Lynnae move beyond the buzzwords to interrogate the real dynamics of inclusion. They examine why simply stating a commitment to belonging is not enough, highlighting the gap between organisational values and lived experience. Their discussion draws on practical examples and delves into why employees often sense a lack of trust, the frustration caused by ambiguity, and how the vital, often overlooked work of managers profoundly affects workplace culture. The episode unpacks the nuanced difference between true belonging and merely fitting in, questioning whether workplaces should aspire to emotional investment or maintain a more transactional relationship that empowers individuals to thrive elsewhere. Lynnae is a consultant, trainer, and speaker whose expertise centres on helping individuals and teams achieve clarity in their work. With a background working on programmes supporting people with lived experience of mental health conditions and marginalisation, she brings a unique perspective to how individuals can transition from service users to invaluable contributors. Lynnae's strength lies in "finding the shape inside the blob": translating nebulous concepts of belonging and value into concrete steps and conversations. Her approach combines compassion with rigour, ensuring that the clarity she instils helps others understand how their work fits into the larger purpose—making it easier to navigate, sustain, and ultimately flourish in demanding environments. The conversation navigates psychological safety, imposter syndrome, and the hidden emotional labour that workers, especially managers, carry every day. Joanne and Lynnae dissect the importance of role clarity and genuine trust, taking listeners into the practical realities of what must change for true inclusion to take root. They reflect on the need for organisations to value people both for their contributions and their humanity—reminding us that belonging starts by making our work matter and by validating people openly and honestly.

In this inspiring episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood invites Gemma Davies to share her own lived experience with chronic illness and disability, challenging the boundaries of traditional wellness and accessibility. Their discussion reveals the reality of navigating a world where wellness support often overlooks those with fluctuating or invisible conditions. Joanne probes the gap between physical treatment and holistic support, exposing the ways society and health systems sometimes fall short for those living with disabilities. The conversation interrogates not only gaps in the NHS, but also social attitudes, the stigma of “not looking sick,” and the pressing need for more joined-up, person-centred care. Gemma, founder of Wellness Without Barriers, is driven by her own sudden health transformation after a functional neurological disorder left her with long-term symptoms and profound life changes. She helps people with chronic illness and disability access gentle, realistic, and inclusive wellbeing support. Gemma’s mission is to turn her hard-won experience into tangible connection and advice for others who find themselves negotiating the often bewildering healthcare and social support landscapes. She collaborates with organisations such as Ablepreneurs and FND Friends, advocates for better signposting and support, and remains deeply committed to ensuring no one faces such challenges alone. The episode moves beyond diagnosis and disability legislation, tackling social and attitudinal barriers, the importance of self-advocacy, and the value of recognising fluctuating conditions. Joanne and Gemma explore practical adjustments, such as energy management, and reflect on the difficult process of acceptance, self-care, and giving permission to grieve and seek community. Their exchange is filled with warmth, honesty, and practical wisdom for anyone affected by chronic health issues or supporting someone who is.

In this thought-provoking episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood explores the complex interplay between clarity and complexity with Simon Mont. The conversation delves into how individuals and organisations navigate competing perspectives, particularly in the context of diversity, equity, and inclusion. Both reflect on how tensions arise when different lenses—be they race, gender, power dynamics or psychological approaches—are used to interpret the same scenario. Simon introduces the idea that real progress comes from holding space for multiple viewpoints and discerning which lens will be most constructive in a given moment. Together, Joanne and Simon discuss how the need for belonging, individual and collective power, and the search for authenticity influence how people show up at work and in wider society. Simon is a lawyer, strategist, facilitator, and mystic with a deep commitment to helping mission-driven organisations align their values, vision, and impact. His special talent lies in balancing the intricacies of organisational life while staying focused on the essentials—enabling people to thrive and contribute meaningfully. Simon draws on a wealth of experience in social justice, organisational development, and systems thinking, bringing a nuanced understanding to the challenges faced by both leaders and teams. Grounded in his own journey, he brings candour, philosophical insight, and psychological depth to conversations about transformation and inclusive cultures. Joanne and Simon examine how individuals can become trapped in communities or ideologies that do not truly serve them, leading to the adoption of 'masks' or identities that mask their core selves. They highlight the courage it takes to step into the unknown, shed limiting beliefs, and pursue a deeper sense of belonging and purpose. The discussion touches on practical tools for navigating polarised perspectives, the subtlety of organisational power, and the importance of leader self-awareness when shaping culture and facilitating change.

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Jo Berry for an open-hearted exploration of empathy’s transformative power in the aftermath of terrorism and conflict. Joanne reflects on how Jo’s perspective fundamentally shifted her approach to difficult conversations, inspiring deeper self-reflection and compassion. The conversation courageously confronts the complexities of trauma, othering, and the human capacity for healing, with both delving into how empathy can disarm division, build trust, and open the door to honest dialogue even in the most polarised settings. Together, they examine contemporary issues around exclusion, political rhetoric, and toxic masculinity, with practical discussion on how language, media, and leadership fuel either polarisation or peacebuilding. Jo Berry is an international speaker and dialogue facilitator whose life was irrevocably changed at age 27 when her father, a Conservative MP, was killed in the IRA bombing at the Grand Hotel, Brighton. Driven by a silent pledge for understanding rather than retaliation, Jo devoted her life to reconciliation and transformative dialogue. Over the past 26 years, she has fostered unlikely conversations—including with the man responsible for her father’s death—to model restorative justice and authentic healing. Through her charity, Building Bridges for Peace, and her extensive work in schools, corporates, and peacebuilding contexts, Jo helps individuals and organisations address conflict with courage, self-awareness, and humanity. Joanne and Jo unpack the dangers of dehumanisation, unravelling how political leaders, the media, and online influencers shape divisive narratives. The conversation also highlights the emotional skill and support required to foster compassion and accountability across divides—whether addressing generational trauma, toxic online cultures, or societal resource-guarding. Jo’s real-life experiences and practical insights offer a compelling case for empathy-led change.

In this edition of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Shalece Daniels for a profound exploration into the art of steady leadership under pressure. Together, they unpack the often-unseen impact of upbringing, identity, and psychological safety on professional and personal resilience. The conversation flows from honest reflection on past adversity through to practical strategies for emotional regulation, such as the transformative power of the 90-second pause, downshifting the nervous system, and redefining everyday leadership. Listeners are drawn into discussions of vulnerability, emotional honesty, and the intersection of personal healing with inclusive leadership. Shalece is an executive rest strategist and the founder of the Live as If company. Drawing upon her lived experience and professional insights, she guides leaders to downshift their nervous systems and communicate with clarity even when stakes are high. Her superpower lies in transforming internal chaos into clear, practical action, enabling others to bring their best selves forward with psychological safety. Beyond her work in executive coaching, Shalece is also a real estate investor who has cultivated both financial independence and a deep understanding of nervous system regulation. Her approach blends scientific research with accessible, everyday techniques—from box breathing to joyful play—enabling sustainable wellbeing in high-pressure environments. Joanne and Shalece dig deep into what it means to truly feel and process emotion, rather than masking or conforming, and explore the critical role of authentic self-expression in fostering spaces where everyone feels they belong. They debate the balance between regulation and honesty, gendered expectations in leadership, and the barriers many face in speaking out due to workplace power dynamics.

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood uncovers the realities and nuances of power, belonging, and marginalisation within the Latina community with guest Vanessa Alonso. Their conversation traverses the unique challenges faced by Latina women striving for professional autonomy while negotiating historical traditions, restrictive power structures, and entrenched expectations in both family and society. Joanne and Vanessa reflect on how resilience, allyship, and community create new models of ownership and empowerment—redefining what it means to build influence 'the Latina way' amidst adversity, shifting societal attitudes, and shifting political currents. Vanessa Alonso is a visionary CEO, co-founder, and immigration attorney based in San Antonio, Texas. Driven by her commitment to Latinas and their families, Vanessa leverages her lived experience as a first-generation professional and business owner to empower and advocate for marginalised communities through legal and entrepreneurial guidance. She specialises in bridging cultural divides, tackling economic and power gaps, and lifting Latina entrepreneurs to live and lead with courage, purpose, and legacy. Her work is grounded in activating core cultural strengths—such as family values and community solidarity—while challenging the status quo that has systematically limited access to ownership and decision-making for Latinos in the US. Joanne and Vanessa explore themes such as the social and cultural barriers faced by Latinas, the dynamics of assimilation, the myth of meritocracy in immigration, and the lived impact of anti-immigration rhetoric. They examine the necessity for underrepresented groups to create infrastructures and networks tailored to their reality, the intersection of migration and workforce sustainability, and how political shifts alter the climate for inclusion and representation. The conversation is both a stark analysis and an empowering call to reframe worthiness and power in minoritised spaces.