'What I Learned from Virgil' Kai-Isaiah Jamal on Virgil Abloh and Following Your Dreams

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Anita Bitton - founder of Establishment Casting one of the fashion industry’s premier casting agencies, renowned for launching iconic faces, redefining beauty, and forging long-standing creative partnerships. A defining force behind the scenes in the fashion industry Anita shares her own journey, from being taken into careas a child to building her own an extended family, career and community. From i-D magazine intern to writing music reviews while at University, from moving to New York and hitting a personal rock bottom; Anita describes what motivated, and what transformed her life, and how sobriety became the catalyst for moving forward. This conversation explores belonging, identity and the long journey of becoming who you already are, finding your people, learning to pause and trusting yourself until your outside matches your inside.Anita Bitton founded Establishment Casting in 2003. She has worked with many of fashion’s most influential brands, creatives, and image-makers, and is known for her eye, her empathy, and for her role in shaping modern fashion representation. Her work includes campaigns and runway shows for brands including Celine, Burberry and Chanel and Marc Jacobs. She grew up in South London, was inspired by emerging magazines and club culture and post university moved to New York where she got a job at Next Model Management. She has collaborated with photographers such as Tim Walker, Peter Lindbergh and Irving Penn and Creatives Katie Grand (at Marc Jacobs and Louis Vuitton), Daniel Lee (at Bottega Veneta and Burberry), Mathieu Blazy (at Bottega Veneta and Chanel) to help cast the best faces, fit and models to communicate their creative vision.About I’m Fine:“I’m Fine is more than a Podcast, it’s a service. A space for the millions of people navigating pain in silence, often without the resources or language we all deserve. The world isn’t set up to support people in pain and we want to help change that.” Jean Campbell. I’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbellit’s a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly, often humorously, about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success. Jean has navigated chronic pain since she was 12 years old, this experience inspired her to create I’m Fine to help reshape the stigma around pain - emotional, physical, and mental - to give a voice to the many who hide behind the words: ‘I’m Fine’. The series features conversations about mental health, identity, resilience, and how we cope when life doesn’t go to plan.With Very Special Thanks to Anita BittonTechnical Production by CopperbeachSocial Media Ruby FernCreative Production Patrick Armstrong of Sidekick ProductionsSeries Producer Camilla Morton Founder and Executive Producer Jean Campbell 

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Bobby Rich Judo Champion and one of the most respected elite coaches in UK combat sports. In this episode Bobby discusses a life shaped prepping for tournaments, training, stamina, discipline, discomfort and redefining pain. Aged five he started Judo - and went on to compete at youth and senior levels right up to being competitor level for Team GB, 2008 Olympic reserve. In this conversation Bobby looks back on his experience, the demands of high-performance, finding success beyond medals and how pain — physically, mentally, emotionally — and your own identity becomes intertwined with athletic performance. From success to sacrifice, injury, relationships, burnout, and the quiet reckoning and reinvention that comes with ‘retirement’ when the question becomes: who am I without this? we discuss the importance of communication, intuition, recovery, and why sustainability and self-awareness is the true mark of strength.Bobby Rich is the London-based performance coach, entrepreneur and former elite athlete with over two decades of experience in high-level sport and fitness. A former international Judo competitor for Team GB, 2008 Olympic reserve, and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Bobby now works across the worlds of performance, wellness and brand consultancy. Bobby is the founder of ONUS – a consultancy that designs and builds fitness brands and high-performance training spaces, and as a coach trusted by cultural icons to competitive athletes. He aims to help people feel stronger, live with purpose and above all is a proud father, shaping a life that thrives.About I’m Fine:“I’m Fine is more than a Podcast — it’s a service. A space for the millions of people navigating pain in silence, often without the resources or language we all deserve. The world isn’t set up to support people in pain and we want to help change that.” Jean Campbell. I’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbell it’s a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly, often humorously, about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success. Jean has navigated chronic pain since she was 12 years old, this experience inspired her to create I’m Fine to help reshape the stigma around pain - emotional, physical, and mental - to give a voice to the many who hide behind the words: ‘I’m Fine’.With Very Special Thanks to Bobby Rich Filmed by PodshopHailey Rovner Malach of Wicked Child ProductionsTechnical Production by CopperbeachSocial Media Ruby FernCreative Production Patrick Armstrong of Sidekick ProductionsSeries Producer Camilla MortonFounder and Executive Producer Jean Campbell

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Nikki Lilly - award-winning creator, British charity campaigner, social media personality, model author and founder of the Butterfly AVM Charity. In this episode Nikki shares her experience growing up with a rare and life-threatening AVM, she explains what this is and how she navigated childhood between hospitals and surgeries, how living with chronic illness that has shaped her identity, how she has shaped her outlook on life and how she found escape, joy and creativity. From launching her YouTube channel to becoming a powerful voice for representation, Nikki reflects on visibility, vulnerability, and the support and quiet strength that inspires her. This honest and intimate discussion explores resilience and choosing to live fully, even when life looks nothing like you imagined. From beauty as armour, creativity as survival to compassion and the importance of play, rest and meeting yourself where you are this is a powerful reminder that living fully doesn’t mean living perfectly.Nikki had a carefree childhood, until she was diagnosed with AVM aged 6 when her world flipped upside down and went from a normal childhood to hospitals, surgery, home. But Nikki is extraordinary not ordinary - in 2012 the Butterfly AVM Charity was founded, in 2013, then aged only eight, she started to share her experiences of living with a 'visible difference' on YouTube covering life with: chronic illness, bullying, mental health, baking and beauty. She has won many awards for her courage, her cooking and creativity. In 2016 she won CBBC’s Junior Bake Off and presented the CBBC show ‘Nikki Lilly Meets’. In 2019 won an Emmy for ‘Best Factual Programme’ and was the youngest ever recipient of the BAFTA Special Award. In 2020 she published her first book, ‘Nikki Lilly Come on Life: Highs, Lows and How to Live Your Best Teen Like’. In 2024 she became a patron of Face Equality International, an alliance of Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs), charities and support groups which are working at national, regional or international levels to promote the campaign for ‘face equality’. In 2025 Nikki spoke at the United Nation Human Rights Council about her experiences of facial differences and was honoured as ‘Fashion and Beauty Creator of the Year’ on TikTok, partnered with L’Oreal at the Cannes Film Festival and was one of the first people with a facial difference to walk a show in Paris Fashion Week, with Vogue calling it the most powerful moment of the show and at the end of 2025 announced her podcast ‘Live a Little’ where she talks about the in-between of modern life, where you can have a lot on but still wondering if you are missing something deeper.Her journey has garnered recognition and numerous accolades, including:- The WellChild Award for Courage (2013), presented by Prince Harry- The Princess Diana Award for Exceptional Bravery (2014)- The Pride of Britain Award for Child of Courage (2016)- Winner of CBBC’s “Junior Bake Off” (2016)- Nominated for a BAFTA for her work on the CBBC series “My Life: Born to Vlog”- Winner of the 2018 Emmy Award for Best Factual Program- Japan Grand Prix Award for her documentary workAbout I’m Fine:I’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbell it’s a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly, often humorously, about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success.With Very Special Thanks to Nikki Lillyhttps://www.instagram.com/nikkililly/?hl=enhttps://www.butterflyavmcharity.org.uk/nikki-lilly/https://www.cadence-talent.com/Technical Production CopperbeachSocial Media Ruby FernCreative Produc

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback In this bonus episode, Kai-Isaiah Jamal reflects on what they learned from Virgil Abloh about following your dreams, not compromising, and creating without ego.

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Poet, Model, Musician and Trans Activist Kai Isaiah Jamal to talk about their journey creating their debut EP Impatiently Waiting, reclaiming autonomy through music, and what it means to build an authentic identity – in fashion, music, the everyday – to own who you are and go beyond other people’s gaze.Acclaimed South-London spoken word poet, writer, performer and trans visibility activist, Kai Isaiah Jamal dedicates much of their creative time to writing about personal experiences, discrimination, and dysphoria, they also work to educate others on how to be a better ally to trans people and helping long marginalised communities play a greater role in shaping cultures around the world. In 2020 they were appointed as the Institute of Contemporary Art’s first-ever poet in residence in 2020. The following year, Jamal became the first Black trans model to walk the runway for Louis Vuitton. Through their powerful work spanning multiple types of media, Jamal has become “the voice of their generation,” as the late designer Virgil Abloh told Vogue in 2021.About I’m Fine:“I’m Fine is more than a Podcast — it’s a service. A space for the millions of people navigating pain in silence, often without the resources or language we all deserve. The world isn’t set up to support people in pain and we want to help change that.” Jean Campbell. I’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbell is a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success. Jean has navigated chronic pain since she was 12 years old, this experience inspired her to create I’m Fine to help reshape the stigma around pain - emotional, physical, and mental - to give a voice to the many who hide behind the words: ‘I’m Fine’. The series features conversations about mental health, identity, resilience, and how we cope when life doesn’t go to plan.With Very Special Thanks to Kai-Isaiah Jamal Technical Production by CopperbeachSocial & Creative Content Producer Ruby FernCreative Production Sidekick EntertainmentSeries Producer Camilla MortonFounder and Executive Producer Jean Campbell

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Natasha Silverbell, mother of three, former model, and CEO of Silver Bell Global, to explore parenting, identity, and the myth of the ‘perfect’ parent. Recorded at The Falcon, Natasha’s psycho-education retreat space, this episode explores what it really means to raise children in a world shaped by social media, pressure, and constant distraction while navigating work, recovery, single parenthood, and self-doubt. Natasha reflects on what she got right and what she’s learned about presence, boundaries, and repair. This conversation is about humility, nervous systems, and showing up as a human being - not an ideal. Whether you are a parent or a child, a carer, sibling, or someone who grew up feeling unseen, this episode is for you. Parenting is not about getting it right all the time. It’s about presence, honesty, and repair and how it’s never too late to begin again.Natasha Silverbell is the CEO of Silver Bell Global, a former model and a leading voice in psycho-education and family systems. She works with parents, educators, and clinicians to build healthier, more connected family environments, grounded in nervous system awareness and emotional literacy. Natasha is a mother of three, and speaks candidly about recovery, work, and the realities of raising children without a blueprint.About I’m Fine:I’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbell is a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success. Jean has navigated chronic pain since she was 12 years old, this experience inspired her to create I’m Fine to help reshape the stigma around pain - emotional, physical, and mental - to give a voice to the many who hide behind the words: ‘I’m Fine’. The series features conversations about mental health, identity, resilience, and how we cope when life doesn’t go to plan. With Very Special Thanks to:Natasha SilverBell, CEO SilverBell GlobalWith thanks to Sarah Silver Natasha Silver Bell is thrilled to announce the lineup for SilverBell Global’s 2026 wellness & psychoeducation retreat, East Meets West & Beyond, June 3rd - 7th at The Falcon at Castle Ashby® :•⁠ Polyvagal Theory pioneer Deb Dana•⁠  ⁠Somatic trauma-resolution specialist Betsy Polatin•⁠  ⁠Jungian psychotherapist Dan Lawrence•⁠  ⁠Meditation Expert Megan Monahan•⁠  ⁠Psychiatrist Terry Eagan, M.D and more... Visit SilverBell Global Events for details. Filmed on location at the SilverBell Global 2025 Retreat at the Falcon –with thanks to Bea Austin Production @dogstar.studio and Filming: Allen Brothers •⁠ Technical Production by Copperbeach @copperbeachuk•⁠ Creative Production Patrick Armstrong of Sidekick Productions•⁠ Series Producer Camilla Morton•⁠ Founder and Executive Producer Jean CampbellThis episode of I’m Fine Series Two is kindly supported by Natasha SilverBell and SilverBell Global https://silverbellglobal.com@Natasha SilverBell is the CEO and Founder of SilverBell Global, established in 2012 to provide informed care and attuned presence to individuals and families navigating the complexities of mental health. A thought leader and keynote speaker, Natasha curates dialogues with leading practitioners around mental health, wellbeing, and spirituality. She participated in the first Lord Mayor's Global Family Office Summit at Mansion House, London, is an Ambassador for Partnership to End Addiction, and is the founder of the Megan Anne Foundation for survivors of domestic violence and co-founder of Inservice Foundation.

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets psychiatrist and trauma pioneer Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, author of the seminal book The Body Keeps the Score. Recorded at Balliol College, Oxford, after he spoke at the Masters Event this wide-ranging conversation explores what trauma really is — beyond war and catastrophe and why connection, safety, and community are at the heart of healing. In this conversation they discuss how trauma lives in the body, how it shapes identity, and why silence and secrecy so often make suffering worse. From those suffering from dissociation, emotional numbness to chronic pain, immune illness, and loss of self, we hope this episode offers both clarity and hope as they explore what helps.Dr. Bessel van der Kolk is a psychiatrist, researcher, and educator who has spent over five decades studying trauma and its effects on the body and mind. He is the founder of the Trauma Research Foundation and the author of The Body Keeps the Score, one of the most influential books on trauma ever written.In this Conversation: What trauma actually is and why it’s not defined by the event alone, what is the difference between stress and traumaHow the body ‘keeps the score’ when the mind tries to move on Why secrecy and shame deepen trauma, and the difference between public trauma and private trauma“Trauma is not what happens to you. It’s what happens inside you when you are left alone with what happened.” How trauma shapes identity — especially when it is rooted in childhoodWhy talk therapy alone is often not enough - the healing power of groups and shared experiencesLoss of self — and why recovery is still possible and why community is the strongest antidote to hopelessness“We don’t exist as individuals. We exist as members of a tribe. What to do if you feel alone, disconnected, or “beyond help”About I’m Fine:I’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbell is a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success. Jean has navigated chronic pain since she was 12 years old, this experience inspired her to create I’m Fine to help reshape the stigma around pain - emotional, physical, and mental - to give a voice to the many who hide behind the words: ‘I’m Fine’. The series features conversations about mental health, identity, resilience, and how we cope when life doesn’t go to plan.With Very Special Thanks to:Dr. Bessel van der Kolk Natasha SilverBell: CEO SilverBell Global Araminta Jonsson: CEO Book Time with Me, Mint PartnershipsTechnical Production by Copperbeach (social handle @copperbeachuk)This episode of I’m Fine Series Two is kindly supported by Natasha SilverBell and SilverBell Global https://silverbellglobal.com @Natasha SilverBell is the CEO and Founder of SilverBell Global, established in 2012 to provide informed care and attuned presence to individuals and families navigating the complexities of mental health. A thought leader and keynote speaker, Natasha curates dialogues with leading practitioners around mental health, wellbeing, and spirituality. She participated in the first Lord Mayor's Global Family Office Summit at Mansion House, London, is an Ambassador for Partnership to End Addiction, and is the founder of the Megan Anne Foundation for survivors

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Edward Enninful, Co-Founder and Chief Creative Officer @ee72, and Author of his bestselling autobiography ‘A Visible Man’. In this episode they discuss visibility, vision – creative, emotive and physical and the knowledge and understanding of vulnerability. From the fullness of his life career, culture, health and using your voice and platform. Edward Enninful OBE is regarded as one of the leading voices in the creative industry working today and has helped bring widespread distinction to global fashion. Edward has a long-standing track record for delivering impactful storytelling and championing diverse and emerging talent within the industry. Born to a Ghanaian army officer and a seamstress, Edward became the youngest ever fashion editor of an international publication, i-D magazine, at 18. Quickly making his mark within the industry, by 1998  he became a contributing fixture at Italian Vogue, catapulting him into world recognition as a leading stylist and cultural contributor and spearheaded “The Black Issue” which featured only black women, and started the necessary dialogue amongst a wider public audience that continues today. Edward continued to use his voice with roles at American Vogue, W Magazine and most recently, British Vogue – becoming the only black person to serve as Editor-in-Chief in Vogue’s history and successfully transforming the publication into a diverse and inclusive multi-platform brand. Edward’s dedication to diversity in fashion was honoured with the presentation of an OBE. Unveiled in February 2025 Enninful is the co-founder and Chief Creative Officer of EE72, his global media and entertainment company.  EE72 develops and produces transformational content, immersive experiences and innovative products that challenge audiences to see the world through new eyes. In this Conversation: From growing up in a traditional military family, moving from Ghana to London with his seamstress mother and siblings with two world views to being the youngest ever fashion editor at i-D Magazine. Don’t take anything for granted. From losing almost everything at a young age he vowed never to be scared again. When you escape war, when you have lost everything you appreciate everything and fear nothing. A visual person in a visual world he says “I don't fear many things in my life, but the one thing that I do experience a lot of fear with is my eyes” You can’t be an expert if you don’t do your research. All aspects of your life should inspire you – always be curious. Have dreams – and build them people who will champion you.Work hard but equally work hard to take care of yourself. How to sustain health and well-being, make time to switch off as well as on. About I’m Fine:“I’m Fine is more than a Podcast, it’s a service. A space for the millions of people navigating pain in silence, often without the resources or language we all deserve. The world isn’t set up to support people in pain and we want to help change that.” Jean Campbell.  With Very Special Thanks to Edward Enninful @edward_enninful Shot on Location at https://www.theroofgardens.com/ Technical Production by Copperbeach @copperbeachukCreative Production Patrick Armstrong of Sidekick Series Producer Camilla Morton Founder and Executive Producer Jean Campbell

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Dame Darcey Bussell DBE – the celebrated Former Principal of The Royal Ballet and current President of the Royal Academy of Dance to discuss artistry, discipline, grace and perseverance in life – and her journey with dance. From the psychology, the all-immersive, physical and mental strength to the evolution of a dancer’s career, Darcey reflects on shift of identity, pushing through pain, retiring and reinvention as they discuss the pressures of perfection, motherhood, the importance movement, education, wellbeing and reinvention. Darcey Bussell is a former Principal Dancer of The Royal Ballet, renowned for her athletic yet lyrical style. She joined the company in 1988 and, in 1989, became their youngest ever Principal, at just 20 years old. She ‘retired’ from ballet in 2007 and pursued a successful career in television, and was a judge on Strictly Come Dancing from 2011 to 2018. In 1995 Bussell was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the for services to ballet, in 2006 she was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) and in 2018 she was appointed Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire (DBE) for services to dance. She has written books and is involved in numerous charities and serves as the President of the Royal Academy of Dance and is the Creator of @diversedancemix.About I’m Fine:“I’m Fine is more than a Podcast — it’s a service. A space for the millions of people navigating pain in silence, often without the resources or language we all deserve. The world isn’t set up to support people in pain and we want to help change that.” Jean Campbell. I’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbell is a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success. Jean has navigated chronic pain since she was 12 years old, this experience inspired her to create I’m Fine to help reshape the stigma around pain - emotional, physical, and mental - to give a voice to the many who hide behind the words: ‘I’m Fine’. The series features conversations about mental health, identity, resilience, and how we cope when life doesn’t go to plan. Follow us on social media @Im_finepodcastWith Very Special Thanks to Natasha SilverBellTechnical Production by CopperbeachCreative Production Patrick Armstrong of Sidekick ProductionsPre-Production Sophie TallSeries Producer Camilla MortonFounder and Executive Producer Jean CampbellThis episode of I’m Fine Series Two is kindly supported by Natasha SilverBell and SilverBell Global https://silverbellglobal.com @Natasha SilverBell is the CEO and Founder of SilverBell Global, established in 2012 to provide informed care and attuned presence to individuals and families navigating the complexities of mental health. A thought leader and keynote speaker, Natasha curates dialogues with leading practitioners around mental health, wellbeing, and spirituality. She participated in the first Lord Mayor Global Family Office Summit at Mansion House, London, is an Ambassador for Partnership to End Addiction, and is the founder of the Megan Anne Foundation for survivors of domestic violence and co-founder of Inservice Foundation.

Send us a message with any of your thoughts, questions and feedback I’m Fine hosted by Jean Campbell meets Mo Brings Plenty renowned Lakota actor, cultural advisor, advocate and rancher, widely recognized for his roles in Yellowstone and Jurassic World Dominion, to talk about pain, redemption, love and cultural healing. Mo Brings Plenty is deeply committed to authentic American Indian representation in media and the preservation of Indigenous cultures and traditions and continues to bring Indigenous voices to the forefront as the narrator of Leonardo DiCaprio’s acclaimed Sitting Bull documentary, which premiered in 2025 and shares the enduring legacy of one of history’s most reveredleaders.Off-screen, Mo Brings Plenty is a passionate advocate for environmental and social justice. In April 2024, he received the prestigious New Horizon Award, a lifetime achievement honour at the Western Heritage Awards. In June 2025, Mo met King Charles III at SXSW London as part of the Love The Earth panel alongside Julian Lennon, representing Compassionate Studios and highlighting the power of storytelling to unite humanity and the natural world. Mo lives on a ranch in Kansas with his wife, Sara Ann, their nephew, 35 rescue animals, and 11 horses. Through his work and way of life, Mo continues to inspire reverence for Indigenous heritage and a deep respect for the bond between people, animals, and the land.In this Conversation:How your upbringing, respect and honour for your ancestors will shape who you become.End each day asking: did I conduct myself in a way that makes God want to be in my presence. Hold yourself accountable.Nature shows us every day what rebirth, reality and spirituality isHow the Lakota people honour their ancestors and culture through their braidsHow to hold the door open – from Taylor Sheridan and Yellowstone to being an advocate, creating opportunity, humanity and equality. We have more in common than we do in opposition. Pain helps us to protect. Fear is an illusion. Love is Endless. A true warrior protectsrather than takes a life.The only thing we truly own is the destiny of our soulAbout I’m Fine:“I’m Fine is more than a Podcast, it’s a service. A space for the millions of peoplenavigating pain in silence, often without the resources or language we all deserve. The world isn’t set up to support people in pain and we want to help change that.” Jean CampbellI’m Fine is a Podcast hosted by Model, Writer and Mental Health Advocate Jean Campbell is a safe space and platform where high-performance people talk honestly, often humorously, about their life experiences and healing as Jean explores the inner world behind their outward success. With Very Special Thanks to Mo Brings PlentyWith Gratitude to Meena KheraShot on Location at The Store, Oxford  (www.thestoreoxford.com)This episode of I’m Fine Series Two is kindly supported by Natasha SilverBell and SilverBell Global https://silverbellglobal.com@Natasha SilverBell is the CEO and Founder of SilverBell Global, established in 2012 to provide informed care and attuned presence to individuals and families navigating the complexities of mental health. A thought leader and keynote speaker, Natasha curates dialogues with leading practitioners around mental health, wellbeing, and spirituality. She participated in the first Lord Mayor's Global Family Office Summit at Mansion House, London, is an Ambassador for Partnership to End Addiction, and is the founder of the Megan Anne Foundationfor survivors of domestic violence and co-founder of