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Episode 158: Marshall Abrams discusses the nature of the evolutionary process

10/4/2026
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In this episode, Matt sits down with Marshall Abrams, Professor of Phhilosophy at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, to talk evolutionary theory.


One phrase sometimes associated with the theory of evolution is “the survival of the fittest.” Organisms evolve traits through random mutation, and then the organisms that lack the traits that are fittest get killed off, leaving behind the organisms with traits that are less fit. But what does it really mean to be fitter? Marshall Abrams points out that a lot of the answers you hear people give to this question are on the lines of: being fitter is surviving. That answer sounds kind of okay in isolation, but when you plug it back into the original phrase, it starts to sound kind of loopy: according to the theory of evolution, the organisms who survive are the ones that survive. Wut? It’s hard to imagine a biology teacher teaching that.


Abrams offers a couple suggestions for how to define fitness in a way that avoids this circularity. One is to talk not about survival, but about a probabilistic disposition or tendency to survive. An organism having a tendency to survive is different from its actually surviving. Maybe you’re a deer, physically strong with an impeccable immune system, but you have an unlucky day and get struck by lightning. You nonetheless had a tendency to survive. A second suggestion our guest makes is to scale what we’re looking at up beyond the level of the individual. A trait will be considered fitter when there is a greater tendency for it to be prevalent in an entire population, not just when there is a higher probability for it to lead to the survival of an individual organism.


Marshall Abrams wants to work with that notion of what it is for a trait to be fitter or less fit, but then keep scaling our view even farther past the population level, up to what he calls a population-environment system. This can encompass multiple populations that interact with a population undergoing natural selection, the chemistry of the terrain they live on, the weather patterns in that area—almost anything at the micro or macro level that might affect the long-term behavior of the population. One basic reason for scaling our perspective up in this way is that the same trait on the same organism can be fitter than a competing trait in one context but less fit in another. For instance, a brown mouse can blend in more easily if the ground happens to be brown where they live. So having brown fur could be a fitter trait, insofar as it helps a mouse avoid being eaten, but it can’t really be fitter or less fit in and of itself. It depends on other features of the environment where the mouse lives.


It was a fascinating conversation, and I hope you enjoy it!


-Matt

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