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How MSNBC’s Joyce Vance Stays Optimistic About Democracy

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The federal shutdown continues, as President Trump continues to push the limits of executive power.

On Today's Show:
Joyce Vance, a legal analyst for MSNBC and former U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama, University of Alabama School of Law professor, and author of the Civil Discourse Substack, and of the new book, Giving Up Is Unforgivable:  A Manual for Keeping a Democracy (Dutton, 2025), talks about the rule of law and offers legal and historical context for the current moment in American history as she calls for citizens to uphold the Constitution.

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