In Conversation with Jack Jacobs podcast

#12 Lessons in Reform Leadership with Professor the Hon Bob Carr

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In the first podcast of the year, Professor the Hon Bob Carr and I reflect on the lessons for reform leadership that emerge from his time as former Premier of NSW (1995-2005) and as Australian Foreign Minister (2012-2013). We also consider: the reform tradition of the Australian Labor Party; the nature and reach of historical study; the ongoing follies of human beings; and the statesmanship of Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

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