Hughes Rumors Heat Up and Apologies to John Gibson - Dec. 11th, 2025

It's Moritz Seider's world, we're just living in it. Tune in as we start by recapping the first of Detroit's two wins over Alexander Ovechkin and the Washington Capitals, including goals and strong play from John Leonard, James van Riemsdyk, Elmer Soderblom, Moritz Seider, Dylan Larkin, Simon Edvinsson, and Andrew Copp, John Gibson's 7th straight win, and more from Todd McLellan's squad (4:20). Next, the Red Wings going back-to-back thanks to another goal from Leonard (filling in for Patrick Kane alongside Alex DeBrincat and Andrew Copp), Lucas Raymond (from Sandin-Pellikka and Finnie), Cam Talbot's strong game, and Moritz Seider's absolutely electric overtime game winner at Little Caesars Arena (12:55). We then take a look at Detroit's standings in the Atlantic division and the road ahead for Steve Yzerman's team (23:00). After that, we dive into the numbers behind Moritz Seider's superstar-level season, how he's surpassed even Nathan MacKinnon and Cale Makar in some metrics, how Simon Edvinsson has helped free up his game, and his candidacy for the Norris and Hart Trophies (28:45). We then discuss Marco Kasper's sophomore slump, as well as the Grand Rapids Griffins' AHL record-setting start the season (with Cossa, Brandsegg-Nygard, Holl, Gustafsson, and others leading the way under Dan Watson) (37:25) before jumping into NHL news (Berggren in St. Louis, Marchand, Danault and Marchment trades, & more). (48:10) All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (1:05:10) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! Go to KoffeeKult.com and use code WWP for 15% off your order! #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb

The Detroit Red Wings have already had their best December in a decade, and the month is only halfway over... Tune in as we start by recapping Detroit's win over Ilya Sorokin and the New York Islanders, including Alex DeBrincat's heroics and league-leading goal pace, Lucas Raymond's 3 assists, Moritz Seider continuing his award-worthy season, and Axel Sandin-Pellikka's offensive skills on display as John Gibson wins his 6th straight start (4:10). Next, Dylan Larkin & Co. fall to the Utah Mammoth as Cam Talbot, Simon Edvinsson, and more Red Wings across the board struggled, and Todd McLellan's squad failed to execute without the likes of Patrick Kane (though Finnie & Grand Rapids Griffins star John Leonard linked up for a goal) (14:45). Also, the amazing pace in Hockeytown compared to previous years & what lies ahead for the rest of 2025. After that, we discuss Jonatan Berggren being lost to the St. Louis Blues via waivers, his request to Steve Yzerman to find him a fresh start, and the failure of the 2018 Red Wings Draft Class by Ken Holland & Tyler Wright (Zadina, Veleno, Berggren, etc.) (29:10). We then are joined by Prashanth Iyer to go over the ramifications of Steve Yzerman and the Detroit Red Wings not trading for Quinn Hughes, what's needed to make the most of Dylan Larkin, Alex DeBrincat, Lucas Raymond, Moritz Seider, Simon Edvinsson, Nate Danielson, Marco Kasper, Axel Sandin-Pellikka, Sebastian Cossa, Trey Augustine, & the rest of Detroit's future. Also, Prashanth's campaign for Moritz Seider to not only get Norris Trophy votes, but also Hart Trophy votes (41:10). All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (1:14:05) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! Go to KoffeeKult.com and use code WWP for 15% off your order! #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb

The Quinn Hughes saga is over, and once again he is not joining the Detroit Red Wings. On a happier note, we open by recapping Detroit's last two games of their road trip, including a tough loss to an unreal Connor McDavid and the Edmonton Oilers (including Simon Edvinsson scoring after suiting up unexpectedly) (5:20), before jumping into the Red Wings and their dominant win over the Connor Bedard-less Chicago Blackhawks, including Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat putting on a show, Emmitt Finnie benefitting from Axel Sandin-Pellikka's offensive moves, another John Gibson shutout, and lots more (8:45). After that, a discussion on DeBrincat's star season as he's been on fire alongside "Showtime" Patrick Kane and Andrew Copp, providing strong scoring support behind Dylan Larkin and Lucas Raymond on the 1st line, as well as John Gibson's recent strong streak over the past 5 games, what it could mean for the Detroit Red Wings and their playoff chances, the upcoming month of December, & plenty more (15:50). Next, Quinn Hughes being traded to the Minnesota wild for Marco Rossi, Liam Ohgren, a 2026 1st round pick, and Zeev Buium: our analysis on the deal, the risk Bill Guerin is taking, how Jim Rutherford did compared to expectations, Steve Yzerman and the Detroit Red Wings missing out on adding Quinn Hughes to Moritz Seider's side, what the equivalent deal may have been, and whether it would've been worth giving up Simon Edvinsson, Nate Danielson or Marco Kasper, Carter Bear, and maybe more in the trade (28:15). Finally, our thoughts on the Skinner for Jarry trade in Edmonton, and how this affects McDavid & Draisaitl's Cup chances (57:25). All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (1:07:15) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! This episode is brought to you by Hims. Visit hims.com/wingedwheel for your personalized hair loss treatment options. #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb

John Gibson shutout, Quinn Hughes being linked to the Detroit Red Wings...wild time in Hockeytown! Tune in as we start by recapping Detroit's latest two wins, starting with a 4-0 victory over Quinn Hughes and the Vancouver Canucks, including John Gibson's best game in the Winged Wheel, excellent performances from Axel Sandin-Pellikka, Patrick Kane, Alex DeBrincat, James van Riemsdyk, Elmer Soderblom, J.T. Compher, Michael Rasmussen, Dylan Larkin, Andrew Copp, and more Red Wings (4:10). Next, a nail-biting 4-3 victory over Nazem Kadri and the Calgary Flames, including Gibson's performance, Simon Edvinsson's injury, Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat showing their mind-meld yet again, Axel Sandin-Pellikka's offensive game emerging, Raymond and Larkin, an almost goalie fight between Cooley & Gibson, & plenty more (15:10). Next, we take a look at just how well the DeBrincat-Copp-Kane line has been playing, Cat's goal pace, Kane's milestones, what it means for guys like Kasper and Danielson down the roster, and how it takes pressure off the Finnie-Larkin-Raymond line (32:25). After that, our updated reports on what we're hearing in the Quinn Hughes saga, including heightened interest from Steve Yzerman and the Detroit Red Wings, whether a potential return would include someone like Carter Bear, if Yzerman would need an assurance of an extension from Hughes & Pat Brisson, & more (39:40). All of that & lots more, including a note on Carter Bear's World Junior Championship Team Canada training camp invitation (54:05), before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (57:20) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! This episode is brought to you by Hims. Visit hims.com/wingedwheel for your personalized hair loss treatment options. #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb Prashanth's Article: https://prashanthiyer.substack.com/p/building-moritz-seiders-mvp-case

Is it time that Moritz Seider got more serious consideration for Norris Trophy votes...or maybe an even bigger trophy? Tune in as we begin by discussing the Detroit Red Wings and their crazy shootout loss to the Columbus Blue Jackets, including production from Dylan Larkin, Lucas Raymond, Patrick Kane, James van Riesmdyk, Alex DeBrincat, Moritz Seider, and others, a lack of goaltending from both Talbot and Merzlikins, blown leads and more from Todd McLellan's squad (4:00). Next, the Red Wings' bounceback win over the Seattle Kraken, including an all 2003 Draft Class goal from Emmitt Finnie, Nate Danielson, and Axel Sandin-Pellikka, Larkin and Danielson both returning after being hit by pucks, John Gibson hanging on for the win, and Andrew Copp, JVR, and Patrick Kane (in a classic Showtime moment called by Ken Daniels) leading the scoring charge. Also, notes on McLellan's team's offensive metrics, upcoming games, & more (16:00). We then take a look at Moritz Seider both by the eye test and the numbers this season, whether he deserves serious Norris Trophy consideration behind Cale Makar and alongside players like Morrissey, Werenski, Heiskanen, and others, how he's helped Simon Edvinsson excel, and whether MVP voting is crazy to think about (29:20). After that, Sebastian Cossa, Michael Brandsegg-Nygard, and the Grand Rapids Griffins' record start in the AHL (as well as Rudy Guimond's QMJHL accolades) (39:30), and NHL news including a Quinn Hughes update, Erik Gustafsson trade rumors and what Steve Yzerman might demand in return, and a potential longshot trade target in Phillip Danault (43:10). All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (54:20) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb Prashanth's Article: https://prashanthiyer.substack.com/p/building-moritz-seiders-mvp-case

Moritz Seider got his revenge on the scoreboard - not for a lack of rough stuff against the Boston Bruins. Tune in as we begin by recapping the Detroit Red Wings taking down Swayman and the Bruins in a Hockeytown rematch of last game, including: James van Riemsdyk turning back the clock, stellar performances from Moritz Seider, Lucas Raymond, Patrick Kane, Alex DeBrincat, Dylan Larkin, Emmitt Finnie, & others, Ben Chiarot continuing to be a force, John Gibson's struggles, Simon Edvinsson mixing it up as Nikita Zadorov and Mark Kastelic earned misconducts, & more as Todd McLellan's squad responded (4:50). After that and a conversation about John Gibson's continued performance issues, we take a look at the schedule ahead, Moritz Seider potentially earning Norris votes, Raymond's point streak, Patrick Kane's record, & more (19:00). Next, we break down what we've heard on the Quinn Hughes front as the Vancouver Canucks superstar continues to be the subject of trade rumors surrounding the Detroit Red Wings (and New Jersey Devils): has Steve Yzerman expressed interest? Would Danielson, Kasper, Sandin-Pellikka, Edvinsson, Bear, Brandsegg-Nygard, or others have to be included? Would he extend with the Red Wings? (31:25) Next, concern in Italy as the Olympic arena is behind (and small), & what the options are for the NHL, NHLPA, IIHF, & IOC (43:30), as well as updates on Dmitri Buchelnikov & Max Plante as we peek into the Hockeytown pipeline (51:05). All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (52:55) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb

Detroit, and Michigan, sports are going through a tough time right now, and unfortunately the Detroit Red Wings are at the center of that. Tune in as we begin by discussing the Red Wings' 6-3 loss to Nikita Kucherov and the Tampa Bay Lightning, including strong play from Michael Rasmussen & J.T. Compher, poor play and turnovers after a Gibson save from Simon Edvinsson & Moritz Seider, Johansson and Bernard-Docker getting beat on defense, and more in a frustrating game for Todd McLellan's squad (3:40). Next, Detroit's shootout loss to Jeremy Swayman and the Boston Bruins, including Kastelic's mismatch fight where Moritz Seider got dropped, our thoughts on the response from Ben Chiarot but not too many other Red Wings, Dylan Larkin, Lucas Raymond, Patrick Kane, and others contributing offensively, & Detroit being too slow to pick things up in the loss (12:10). After that, Dylan Larkin and Todd McLellan's comments about effort, care, and overthinking the game, and how that's affecting players like Marco Kasper, Patrick Kane, Nate Danielson, Alex DeBrincat, and Emmitt Finnie (25:50). We then take a look at the NHL & Atlantic Division standings, Steve Yzerman's team's December outlook, and what can be done to maintain standing in the tight playoff race - can Cam Talbot and John Gibson start providing more support in net? (39:10) After that, an update on the Detroit Red Wings prospect pipeline, including notes on Sebastian Cossa (will Yzerman call him up at some point?), Trey Augustine, Max Plante, Carter Bear, Jesse Kiiskinen, & more Hockeytown hopefuls (53:45).  All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (56:50) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! Go to KoffeeKult.com and use code WWP for 15% off your order! #ad This episode is brought to you by Green Light Lending: gogreenlightlending.com #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb Max's Article: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6841583/2025/11/27/todd-mclellan-red-wings-defense/

The Detroit Red Wings can't string together solid games, and Todd McLellan is just about done with it. Tune in as we open by discussing the New Jersey Devils game, including Compher's hit on Hischier and fight vs. Noesen, Chiarot's butt-end on Nemec, Siegenthaler's blindside on Raymond, Hamonic's rough game, Larkin, DeBrincat, Seider, Patrick Kane, & other performances with Edvinsson out, & more (4:25). Next, the brutal loss to Barry Trotz' Nashville Predators, including miscues from just about the entire team, Gustafsson and Hamonic on defense, how the team's play affects Finnie, Sandin-Pellikka, Danielson, Kasper ), & other young players, & more as Steve Yzerman's squad struggled on home ice, plus what's wrong with this team from its best players down to its depth in guys (like Copp, Compher, Johansson, etc.) (13:10). We then discuss whether Steve Yzerman should go all out for a guy like Quinn Hughes & how much that would fix (and the cost of acquisition), or what other depth moves would be needed to shore up the team (39:45). All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (1:00:40) - enjoy and Happy Thanksgiving! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! Go to KoffeeKult.com and use code WWP for 15% off your order! #ad This episode is brought to you by Green Light Lending: gogreenlightlending.com #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb Max's Article: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6841583/2025/11/27/todd-mclellan-red-wings-defense/

Is it time to see what Sebastian Cossa can do in Detroit? Should Alex DeBrincat be on Team USA's Olympic roster? Are Pavel Mintyukov or Quinn Hughes realistic trade options for Steve Yzerman? Max Bultman of The Athletic Detroit joins us on this remote episode to discuss all of that & more! Tune in as we start by recapping the Detroit Red Wings and their split weekend, including an ugly loss to Schaefer and the Islanders, and a comeback win against Fantilli & the Columbus Blue Jackets, including: different play between John Gibson & Cam Talbot, huge games from Raymond, Seider, DeBrincat, Chiarot, & others, questionable calls on Patrick Kane & goal reviews, & lots more from Todd McLellan's squad's up and down weekend (3:30). Next, a look at the tight Atlantic division, as well as Axel Sandin-Pellikka's play, whether he would benefit from the press box or a stint with the AHL's Grand Rapids Griffins, & his development trajectory (25:35). After that, we analyze Hockeytown's goaltending, and whether calling up Sebastian Cossa is warranted to reward him for his strong play and to shake things up for John Gibson (41:55). We then make the case of Alex DeBrincat's Team USA Olympic roster chances, discuss his strong play alongside Dylan Larkin & Lucas Raymond, how he stacks up to Caufield, Tage Thompson, Kyle Connor, & others, and more (56:55). Finally, we discuss the potential trade availability of Pavel Mintyukov and where he'd slot in alongside Moritz Seider, Ben Chiarot, Axel Sandin-Pellikka, Simon Edvinsson, & the rest of the blue line, as well as shooting for the stars in a Quinn Hughes trade & which of Nate Danielson, Marco Kasper, Carter Bear, Michael Brandsegg-Nygard, Trey Augustine, & other premium pieces would have to be in play (1:02:45). All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (1:15:00) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! This episode is brought to you by Hims. Visit hims.com/wingedwheel for your personalized hair loss treatment options. #ad Go to KoffeeKult.com and use code WWP for 15% off your order! #ad This episode is brought to you by Green Light Lending: gogreenlightlending.com #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb

NATE THE GREAT HAS ARRIVED IN HOCKEYTOWN. Tune in as we open by discussing the Detroit Red Wings and Nate Danielson taking down the Seattle Kraken, including Lucas Raymond staying hot, Nate Danielson's 1st (and almost 2nd) career goal, assist, and how Axel Sandin-Pellikka & Emmitt Finnie contributed to his big game, Moritz Seider, Simon Edvinsson, Cam Talbot, and the rest of the Red Wings playing great games, & more as Todd McLellan's squad rolls on and takes the lead in the Atlantic Division (4:30). After that, a look at the point paces of Raymond, Dylan Larkin, and Alex DeBrincat (Team USA hopeful?), and whether they can reach new heights in Hockeytown this season (22:35). Next, a look at how tight the Eastern Conference playoff race is compared to the West in the NHL, as the Red Wings eye a divisional seed over teams like the Florida Panthers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Tampa Bay Lightning, & other previous top teams (34:45). We then discuss Hockeytown pipeline prospects: Sebastian Cossa returning to the Grand Rapids Griffins while Carter Mazur is out long term, Trey Augustine dominating with Michigan State as the Spartans truck through the NCAA, Brent Solomon signing with Wisconsin, & more (45:50). After that, NHL news including Adrian Kempe's contract & what it means for Steve Yzerman's free agency options (and how Yzerman will need to be more aggressive with trades), MacKinnon, Crosby, Celebrini, & Bedard leading the league, Copp, Compher, Talbot, & Gibson being linked in trade theories, and Patrick Roy blowing up on Mikko Rantanen (49:20). All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment (1:00:15) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more! This episode is brought to you by Hims. Visit hims.com/wingedwheel for your personalized hair loss treatment options. #ad This episode is brought to you by Green Light Lending: gogreenlightlending.com #ad Support the Jamie Daniels Foundation through Wings Money on the Board: https://www.wingedwheelpodcast.com/wingsmotb