Healing in the Atonement? The Long Con of Faith Healing

John and John examine how twentieth-century revivalism helped construct the theological architecture behind today's apostolic networks. They trace how Branham's teachings--especially his denial of Christ's deity and promotion of adoption mysticism--created the framework later movements like the Latter Rain, Word-of-Faith, and NAR would amplify. The conversation highlights how these systems subtly redefine Jesus, elevate prophetic authority, and reshape Christianity into a hierarchy of "initiated" believers while retaining the language of orthodoxy. By exposing connections between Branham, Gordon Lindsay, British Israelism, and modern charismatic governance structures, they show how historic heresies continue to shape contemporary supernaturalism and distort the gospel.

John and Chi discuss the painful contradictions inside the divine healing movement: the promise of supernatural health contrasted with the hidden reality of chronically ill leaders and suffering followers. They revisit Hobart Freeman’s teachings, exploring why his doctrine collapsed under its own weight and how misapplied scriptures—especially Isaiah 53 and the “healing is easier” message—misled thousands. The conversation highlights the emotional toll on former members, the danger of tying salvation to physical healing, and the destructive power of pride within authoritarian religious systems. They also unpack how movements like British Israelism and the Latter Rain shaped modern healing theology, why context matters when reading prophetic texts, and how sincere but misguided leaders can still leave a trail of trauma. Through scriptural analysis and lived experience, John and Cheno show how peeling back the curtain—much like in The Wizard of Oz—reveals the human frailty behind grand spiritual claims. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K______________________Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branhamVisit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Jed discuss the strange world of charismatic lore, looking honestly at how supernatural testimonies, miracle stories, and movement mythology shape the inner life of believers. Together, they explore how testimonies are created, how disassociation reinforces spiritual narratives, and why people inside revival culture often feel pressure to reinterpret reality through faith language. They also reflect on lived experiences--from IHOPKC to YWAM to the Branham movement--and how those environments formed patterns of belief, identity, and internal coping strategies. Through humor, honesty, and psychological insight, John and Jed offer a grounded, compassionate look at how people come to believe extraordinary stories and what it means to rebuild life on the other side of them.______________________Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________- Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org 

John and John Garvey discuss the strange evolution of Britain’s charismatic movement—from early Anglican involvement and university-era enthusiasm to the influence of Dennis Bennett, the Full Gospel Businessmen, and later John Wimber and the Kansas City Prophets. Garvey recounts firsthand experiences with failed prophecies, emotional manipulation, and the slow shift from Scripture-centered worship toward experience-driven spirituality. Together they trace how charismatic practices crossed the Atlantic, blended with British evangelical respectability, and created an environment where prophecy, spiritual gifts, and experiential worship were welcomed without adequate discernment. The conversation also explores how worship music, emotional highs, and the rise of celebrity “worship leaders” reshaped the culture of local churches, paving the way for modern movements tied to Bethel, Hillsong, and NAR-style theology. John and Garvey unpack concerns over the Alpha Course’s “Holy Spirit weekend,” imported American revivalism, the diminishing role of biblical teaching, and how addictive emotional experiences can blur the line between genuine faith and spiritual counterfeits. The discussion exposes the long arc that connects historical Pentecostalism to today’s global charismatic trends.  John and John Garvey discuss the strange evolution of Britain’s charismatic movement—from early Anglican involvement and university-era enthusiasm to the influence of Dennis Bennett, the Full Gospel Businessmen, and later John Wimber and the Kansas City Prophets. Garvey recounts firsthand experiences with failed prophecies, emotional manipulation, and the slow shift from Scripture-centered worship toward experience-driven spirituality. Together they trace how charismatic practices crossed the Atlantic, blended with British evangelical respectability, and created an environment where prophecy, spiritual gifts, and experiential worship were welcomed without adequate discernment. The conversation also explores how worship music, emotional highs, and the rise of celebrity “worship leaders” reshaped the culture of local churches, paving the way for modern movements tied to Bethel, Hillsong, and NAR-style theology. John and Garvey unpack concerns over the Alpha Course’s “Holy Spirit weekend,” imported American revivalism, the diminishing role of biblical teaching, and how addictive emotional experiences can blur the line between genuine faith and spiritual counterfeits. The discussion exposes the long arc that connects historical Pentecostalism to today’s global charismatic trends.______________________Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org 

John invites listeners into a thoughtful and compassionate reflection on Christmas, legalism, and spiritual recovery. He traces how high-control groups distort biblical interpretation, weaponize fear, and turn normal human celebrations into battlegrounds of shame. As John describes his own journey—from cult indoctrination to rediscovering faith—he shows how ancient Jewish and early Christian practices were far more similar to surrounding cultures than many modern legalistic teachings admit. He explores the historical overlap of festivals, solstices, agriculture, and worship, and explains how Paul’s writings in Galatians and Colossians reject judgmentalism and condemn attempts to bind believers to the Mosaic legal code. This segment offers hope for those navigating grief, estrangement, or uncertainty around Christmas. John reminds listeners that celebration is a human universal, not a spiritual trap; that the Bible does not forbid festivals; and that Christian liberty frees believers to celebrate—or not celebrate—without fear, shame, or condemnation. His story offers a gentle invitation to reclaim joy, gratitude, and authentic faith after religious trauma. ______________________Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org 

John and Brantley discuss the strange intersection between Christmas traditions and the theology of control that runs through movements like William Branham’s Message and the International House of Prayer. Their candid conversation explores how cult systems redefine holiness by stripping joy from human experience—right down to banning Christmas trees. The episode connects Branham’s mantle claims, the rise of Joel’s Army, and IHOPKC’s culture of overwork and spiritual abuse, tracing how authoritarian leadership transforms faith into fear. They unpack how stage personas, hero worship, and emotional addiction create a cycle of narcissism and trauma, then turn to healing, recovery, and the rediscovery of genuine community and humanity.______________________Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org 

John and Chino discuss the lived reality of leaving Faith Assembly and similar high-control healing movements, focusing on emotional shunning, generational trauma, and the psychological toll of absolutist doctrine. Drawing from personal stories and interviews, they explain how sincere families were shaped by rules about medical care, "confessions," and spiritual status, and how those beliefs persisted decades after the leader's death. The conversation examines spiritual pride, fear-based control, and the harm caused when leaders discourage medical treatment, using real examples involving cancer, rapture anxiety, and family division. The goal is understanding and healing—inviting honest dialogue, accountability, and a healthier approach to Christian faith for those affected by authoritarian religious systems.

John explores how modern prophetic leaders such as Cindy Jacobs trace directly back to the numerology-driven theology of William Branham, Gordon Lindsay, and the Voice of Healing movement. The episode unpacks how Jacobs’ 5777 prophecy, her connection to the International Coalition of Apostles, and her political messaging around Donald Trump mirror the same manipulative patterns embedded in early Latter Rain teachings. John explains that these networks merge fortune-telling techniques, authoritarian apostolic structures, and political propaganda into a system designed to influence followers through confusing numerology and claims of divine insight. By tracing Jacobs’ involvement with Christ for the Nations and her reliance on later-rain numerological frameworks, the episode shows how today’s NAR “prophecies” are recycled patterns from Branham-era cult dynamics rather than authentic expressions of biblical prophecy. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branhamVisit the website: https://william-branham.org

John and Lael open up about the hidden cost of growing up under religious control. Lael McKay, a former member of Hobart Freeman’s Faith Assembly, shares her life story—from an idyllic Indiana childhood shadowed by legalism and fear, to years of silence about physical pain, sexual abuse, and her father’s preventable suffering under faith-healing teachings. Together, John and Chino explore how purity culture, fear of hell, and denial of medical care shaped entire families. Through raw honesty and reflection, Lael describes her path through therapy, rediscovering safety, compassion, and spiritual balance. This conversation offers hope for survivors of high-control religious movements and insight into the lifelong impact of spiritual abuse and recovery.______________________Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org 

John and Jenny discuss how purity culture in evangelical and high-control Christian spaces turns bodies into commodities, fuses "holiness" with racial anxiety, and leaves survivors carrying crushing shame. They trace the roots of modern purity teaching through abstinence-only campaigns, racialized myths about "protecting" white women, and high-demand groups shaped by Branhamism and Christian identity rhetoric, highlighting how fear-based sermons and public shaming deform both faith and embodiment.Drawing on Jenny's therapeutic work and John's historical research, they talk about consent, autonomy, and why healthy boundaries are different from rigid rules, offering language for people who still value faith but are done with spiritualized control. Whether you grew up in modesty talks, pledge rallies, or holiness churches--or you love someone who did--this conversation names the harm, honors survivors' stories, and points toward practical pathways for healing in "really good bodies" that are never damaged goods.______________________Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________- Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham - Visit the website: https://william-branham.org