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Talking With the Military Ethics Professor Who Resigned in Protest

2025-07-16
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Pauline Shanks Kaurin PhD. was, until recently, the Stockdale Chair for Professional Military Ethics at the U.S. Naval War College. She’d been there since 2018, teaching philosophy and ethics to U.S. military officers and the occasional civilian. Then came Donald Trump, Pete Hegseth, and marching orders she said stifled academic freedom.

So she resigned.


On this episode of Angry Planet, Pauline talks us through her decision and tells us what she saw from the inside of one of the U.S. military’s most lauded academic institutions as the new administration seeks to restrict what’s taught in the classroom.


  • Disclosures and caveats
  • “A moral dilemma I couldn’t resolve”
  • On Obedience
  • Admiral James Stockdale
  • “We’re all in vacation mode.”
  • “The snitch line”
  • Purging books, telling professors what not to talk about
  • “I don’t want to be on Fox News”
  • It happened fast
  • Suggestions of pulling manuscripts at the editor
  • What happens to a military that isn’t taught honor and ethics?
  • Compliance versus deference
  • Avoiding discomfort as a policy position
  • Disagreements as combat
  • A heavy metal argument
  • The cost of taking a moral stand
  • “Everyday is ethics day”


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