An AI Debate with Marcus Hutchins

Marcus and I debate AIs capabilities from nearly polar opposite ends. He thinks it's basically autocomplete, and I think it's the most important tech we've ever built as humans. It was a fantastic, and very civil conversation, so thanks to Marcus for that, and we're already planning on Part 2. This two-hour discussion covers: 🧠 The real risks of AI vs. the imagined ones🔐 How security researchers view AI's capabilities🤖 The blurry line between useful and dangerous automation ⚖️ Bias, alignment, and who gets to control intelligence 📉 Whether AI might ultimately collapse under its own complexity Marcus Hutchins is best known for stopping the WannaCry ransomware attack and brings a sharp, skeptical perspective to AI. Marcus' Website: https://marcushutchins.com Watch the interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/I9-iD_rLRjA Subscribe to the UL newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiessler Follow Marcus on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/malwaretech/Become a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

UL NO. 486: STANDARD EDITION: Fully Automated AI Malware (Binary and Web), My Debate with Marcus Hutchins on AI, The 'Did You Notice?' Psyop, The METR AI Metric for Longterm Tasks, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-486 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

STANDARD EDITION: Netflix RCE, My Current AI Stack, All-in on Claude Code, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-485 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

UL NO. 484: STANDARD EDITION: OpenAI's Malicious AI Report, Disappointed with WWDC, AI's First Actual Science Breakthrough, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-484 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A Chrome 0-Day, Meta Automates Security Assessments, New Essays, My New Video on Hacking with AI, Ukraine's Asymmetrical Attack, Thoughts on My AI Skeptical Friends, The Dangers of Winning the Wrong Game, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-483 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sponsored by Vanta. Vanta takes the busywork out of GRC so you can focus on what actually matters—improving your security, not chasing compliance. https://ul.live/vanta This isn’t just another AI podcast. It’s about the deeper shift that’s happening in cybersecurity—away from individual tools and dashboards, and toward real-time, comprehensive world models of what we’re trying to protect or attack. I'll walk through how I came to this idea, what it means for security assessments, red teaming, vuln management, and beyond—and why context, not AI, is the actual revolution. 📽️Check out the full video here: https://youtu.be/UwTTcka1Wd8 Topics covered: Why the core problem in security is organizational knowledge Unified Entity Context (UEC) as the future architecture Modular, AI-augmented security stacks Why every attacker and defender will soon be running one How this flips the AI conversation on its head If you care about where hacking, automation, and AI are headed—this is the blueprint. 📬Subscribe for updates about trends and ideas in Cybersecurity, National Security, AI, Technology, and Society👇🏼 https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/ 👉🏻 X (Twitter): https://ul.live/x 👉🏻 Instagram: https://ul.live/ig 👉🏻 BlueSky: https://ul.live/bluesky 👉🏻 LinkedIn: https://ul.live/liBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

AI Finds an 0-Day!, Postman Leaking Secrets, High Agency Mental Model, My Unified Entity Context Video, Github MCP Leaks Private Repos, Google vs. OpenAI vs. Apple on AI Vision, and more... You are currently listening to the Standard version of the podcast, consider upgrading and becoming a member to unlock the full version and many other exclusive benefits here: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/upgrade Read this episode online: https://newsletter.danielmiessler.com/p/ul-482 Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiesslerBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

🔹 Thanks to ProjectDiscovery for sponsoring today’s video. I've been using their tools like Nuclei and Subfinder for years, and now they’ve brought that power to the cloud with a full vulnerability management platform. ➡ Try it yourself at https://ul.live/PD1 For over a decade, I've been exploring how AI and context intersect—and I believe Unified Entity Context (UEC) is the key to unlocking what comes next. In this podcast, I walk through my journey—from security assessments and AI-powered tools to building real-world demos like Alma and Threshold. The core idea? That most hard decisions are only hard because we lack the necessary context. With rich, accurate, and fresh context, even complex decisions become simple. If you're building in security, investing in AI, or just trying to understand where things are heading, this concept might reframe everything. Check out the full video here: https://youtu.be/IHUqk90ch7IBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What really happened at RSA 2024? Daniel Miessler and Jason Haddix break it down. Fresh off a whirlwind RSA week, Daniel sits down with Jason Haddix (Arcanum Information Security) to talk about what mattered—beyond the show floor noise. From off-site innovation summits to real-world AI implementation, this deep dive covers: -Where the real innovation happened (hint: not on the show floor)-Key takeaways from the OpenAI and Airbnb AI Security events-Jason’s talk on AI pentesting methodology and the Prompt Injection Taxonomy -The future of cybersecurity moats and the risk of AI-native disruption -Why agents aren’t the main character—data is -DARPA's AIxCC competition and the rise of Cyber Reasoning Systems -Challenges with evals, autonomous security workflows, and VDP backlash -Behind the scenes at RSA: puppies, parties, burnout, and brutal honesty They also explore content creation, the future of platform-native context, and why being opinionated (with receipts) matters more than ever in security and tech.  Jason's Company https://arcanum-sec.comBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

➡ Get full visibility, risk insights, red teaming, and governance for your AI models, AI agents, RAGs, and more—so you can securely deploy AI powered applications with ul.live/mend In this episode, I speak with Bar-El Tayouri, Head of AI Security at Mend.io, about the rapidly evolving landscape of application and AI security—especially as multi-agent systems and fuzzy interfaces redefine the attack surface. We talk about: • Modern AppSec Meets AI Agents How traditional AppSec falls short when it comes to AI-era components like agents, MCP servers, system prompts, and model artifacts—and why security now depends on mapping, monitoring, and understanding this entire stack. •  Threat Discovery, Simulation, and Mitigation How Mend’s AI security suite identifies unknown AI usage across an org, simulates dynamic attacks (like prompt injection via PDFs), and provides developers with precise, in-code guidance to reduce risk without slowing innovation. •  Why We’re Rethinking Identity, Risk, and GovernanceWhy securing AI systems isn’t just about new threats—it’s about re-implementing old lessons: identity access, separation of duties, and system modeling. And why every CISO needs to integrate security into the dev workflow instead of relying on blunt-force blocking. Subscribe to the newsletter at:https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe Join the UL community at:https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade Follow on X:https://x.com/danielmiessler Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiessler Chapters: 00:00 - From Game Hacking to AI Security: Barel’s Tech Journey03:51 - Why Application Security Is Still the Most Exciting Challenge04:39 - The Real AppSec Bottleneck: Prioritization, Not Detection06:25 - Explosive Growth of AI Components Inside Applications12:48 - Why MCP Servers Are a Massive Blind Spot in AI Security15:02 - Guardrails Aren’t Keeping Up With Agent Power16:15 - Why AI Security Is Maturing Faster Than Previous Tech Waves20:59 - Traditional AppSec Tools Can’t Handle AI Risk Detection26:01 - How Mend Maps, Discovers, and Simulates AI Threats34:02 - What Ideal Customers Ask For When Securing AI38:01 - Beyond Guardrails: Mend’s Guide Rails for In-Code Mitigation41:49 - Multi-Agent Systems Are the Next Security Nightmare45:47 - Final Advice for CISOs: Enable, Don’t Disable DevelopersBecome a Member: https://danielmiessler.com/upgradeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.