Jay Shetty, Best-Selling author & Podcast guru, brings years of study, wisdom and experiences into the sports space, challenging Ryan, Channing and Fred to find clarity and balance in a busy world with pressures of relationships, love, work and society.

“Even if you hate your job, you hate your career- Collect everything you possibly can from this experience and then move to the next thing and collect everything from that.” Jay Shetty  Pivot Family, in this introspective and soul-stirring episode, we go outside our comfort zone of sports and entertainment, approach topics we tend to ignore and ask questions that will help guide us to not just find our purpose but to LIVE our purpose, and who better to do it with than a man who sits atop the space, globally known for his wisdom and guidance. New York Times Best Selling author, Award-winning podcast host and former monk Jay Shetty brings a powerful blend of vulnerability, clarity, and wisdom to the discussion. Known for helping millions navigate personal growth and emotional healing, Jay sits down with the newly minted Black Monk (our own Ryan Clark), Channing and Fred to share how his life has been built on pivots. Spiritually, emotionally, and professionally, “My life has just been full of pivots… I don’t actually want to be ever not pivoting,” he says, embracing change as a lifelong practice rather than a one-time choice. Jay opens up to the guys about his unlikely journey from chasing status in London to giving it all up to become a monk, living in an ashram. Ryan asks if it was a failure to leave the monastery after three years to pursue his calling for motivational speaking as the guys discuss the reality of how life shifts and if we don't evolve, we can't grow. Jay recounts the days when no one showed up to hear him speak, the power of pushing forward and not being afraid to start at zero, reminding us all that growth requires humility, patience, and persistence. Throughout the conversation, Jay breaks down the challenges people face in modern relationships, identity, and purpose. He speaks candidly about love. What it is, what it isn’t, and why we often confuse instability for excitement, flipping the cultural script on romance and connection. Whether discussing solitude, emotional baggage, or finding meaning through pain, Jay delivers deep truths with the calm assurance of someone who’s lived every word. Jay opens up about marriage, failure, grief, and the challenge of letting go of people, careers, and versions of ourselves we’ve outgrown. He shares with the guys that we lose love to remind ourselves that there are other emotional skills to be developed by challenging us to grow beyond heartbreak, not just recover from it. More than just motivation, this episode is a toolkit for self-discovery. With his signature compassion and clarity, Jay Shetty proves that pivoting isn’t something you fear, it’s how you evolve. Whether you’re starting over or standing still, this conversation might be the shift you didn’t know you needed. Like and Comment what your biggest takeaway is from the conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“I was at the lowest point, I didn't know what I wanted. I didn't even know if I wanted to be alive at the time.” Michael Carter-Williams Former NBA star  In this powerful episode of The Pivot Podcast, former NBA Rookie of the Year Michael Carter-Williams sits down with Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor, and Channing Crowder to share the untold story of his journey through the highs and lows of professional basketball, the quiet moments that almost broke him and uncovering resilience. From instant stardom to injury setbacks and battling to stay in the league, Micheal opens up on how he found the mental toughness needed to keep pushing when the world counted him out and shares how he found peace and joy again. From rock bottom back up to the fullest he's been in his life, Michael talks about the pressure of early success, the lessons learned from adversity, and how fatherhood and personal growth reshaped his mindset both on and off the court. This conversation is raw and honest about identity, perseverance, and finding purpose beyond the sport. He reflects on growing up in a wealthy town but not having wealth, navigating the feeling of being an outsider in both predominantly white and Black spaces, and how basketball became his outlet.   Michael takes the guys through the surreal moment of winning Rookie of the Year with the 76ers, only to be traded the next season. He opens up about being coached by his childhood idol Jason Kidd, their fallout, the challenges of bouncing between five teams in five years, and the mental toll of trying to live up to high expectations.   At one of the lowest moments in his life, Michael reveals how he lost both his NBA job and his fiancé in the same week, sending him into deep depression and self-doubt. He admits there was a time he didn’t even know if he wanted to be alive. But through therapy, self-reflection, and rediscovering his purpose, he found his way back, eventually re-earning the trust of his now-wife and securing a two-year deal with the Orlando Magic.   Transitioning into the next phase of his life, Michael talks about his role as an ESPN analyst, the importance of teaching athletes about business, and why mental health is still taboo in NBA locker rooms. He hopes to change that narrative by starting real conversations something he wishes had been available to him earlier in his career.   This episode of the Pivot is about survival, self-worth, and embracing the journey, no matter how unpredictable it gets. Michael Carter-Williams’ story proves that success isn’t defined by awards or contracts, but by the ability to fight through adversity, rebuild, and come back stronger than before. Don't forget to comment, follow and like for more conversations like this! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“I came back and gave my time so that I could give a young man an opportunity to dream, understand how to handle himself on and off court, have accountability, responsibility and to share a mentality that nothing is going to be given to you, you have to earn everything and get out of entitlement phase.” Penny Hardaway   In this episode of The Pivot Podcast, Ryan, Channing and Fred sit down with NBA legend and Hall of Famer Penny Hardaway for an in-depth conversation about his journey from basketball icon to cultural influencer to fatherhood to head coach of the Memphis Tigers. This conversation goes far beyond basketball, it’s about life, leadership, mentorship, and Penny's commitment to giving back to his community to inspire future generations. Penny opens up about his early days growing up in Memphis, his rise to fame in the NBA, and the lessons he’s carried with him throughout his career. He shares with the guys his humble beginnings and being raised by his grandmother after both his parents were in and out of the picture. He speaks with raw honesty about the quiet strength she instilled in him, preaching loyalty to his roots and how that foundation helped him navigate the fame and expectations that would come with being one of the most prolific athletes of his generation. As one of the most beloved figures in basketball, Penny shares behind-the-scenes stories from his time with the Orlando Magic, From playing alongside Shaquille O’Neal to chasing a championship to facing Michael Jordan to injuries derailing his explosive career...Penny doesn't lean into regrets, but admits that without the injuries, his name would have been mentioned with the greats. Despite Shaq and Penny going separate ways, he admits that the most fun he had playing basketball was with his larger than life teammate and it was a rockstar lifestyle on and off the court. Now as Head Coach of the Memphis Tigers, Penny is more than just a coach. He’s a pillar for his city and a mentor to a new generation of young men. He reflects on the promise he made to his childhood friend and former coach Desmond Merriweather, a promise that brought him back home and inspired him to help create paths for young people to chase dreams. He talks about coaching his own sons and how it brought a new love of the game seeing his own sons play and be able to connect with them differently. With a disappointing early-round loss in NCAA tournament, Penny understands that the post season is where legacy is created, not just for him as a coach but for the athletes too. Navigating the NIL landscape has been tricky, but Penny stands firm on his philosophy that anyone can give you the money, butt not everyone can get you better in the gym. One of our favorite conversations we have had because of the honesty and realness in the words spoken as Penny reminds us all that life is bigger than who we are, it's what we do with the gifts given to us that matter the most. And in every word, he proves that no matter how far you go, there’s power in returning home, not just to give back, but to build something bigger than yourself. Follow us and comment on what you think about this conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“I became world champion in a year and a half. People ain't been on my level. I’m more than special.” Fred Kerley  Fred Kerley’s speed on the track is matched only by the intensity of his mindset and the strength of his journey. Sitting with Ryan, Channing and Fred- the guys are taking back by his serious demeanor and no-play attitude.  From a football and basketball hopeful to one of the fastest men in the universe, the Olympic medalist and world champion sits down with The Pivot crew to talk about the twists, turns, and challenges that shaped his career.   Kerley doesn’t hold back as he reflects on the defining moments of his life, Growing up in a tough environment, being adopted, and making a life-changing decision to leave Texas to pursue a professional contract, which he credits to helping him mature faster and avoiding the pitfalls that trapped so many around him.   Kerley opens up about handling various pressures of being an elite sprinter and how hundreds of hours of preparation comes down to less than a minute and how your whole life and career can change in 9 seconds. Building up mental resilience to stay focused and achieve success is the goal every second of the day.  While Fred dominates the track, he shares his thoughts on life beyond racing—his love for farming, his dedication to his kids, and why he believes track and field doesn’t get the respect it deserves compared to the NBA and NFL.   Of course, Kerley doesn’t shy away from the rivalries that fuel his competitive fire, taking direct aim at Noah Lyles: “Go look at the record books, look who got more wins.” Whether it’s lining up against the best in the world or proving his critics wrong, Kerley is confident in his abilities and unapologetic in his approach. With high expectations swirling around the 2028 LA Olympics, he’s determined to go out on top and spend his next 2 years regaining his title as fastest man in the world.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"You call me a lot of things, but ignorant I'd disagree on." Andrew Schulz Comedian and Actor Comedy is all about pushing boundaries, but what happens when the joke lands differently than expected? Over the past few months, Ryan Clark and Andrew Schulz have had a public disagreement stemming from comments Andrew made in jest about Black women and their influence on men's appearance. His remarks led Ryan to respond, emphasizing a commitment to defending his culture and refuting Andrew’s insinuations of seeking attention. From their viral exchange about clout-chasing and defending black women to messages exchanged privately to the two finally deciding to hash it out face to face. Although tensions were high, the depth and tone of this discussion displayed respect, even in uncomfortable moments, the guys navigated the conversation through the many challenges and misconceptions to try and find a common ground. On this episode of The Pivot Podcast with Ryan, Channing and Fred—Andrew's authenticity shined through, bringing humor, honesty and humility as the men had an unfiltered discussion, where no topic was off limits. Andrew and Ryan don’t shy away from tough dialogue, sensitive topics and tackling the fine line between making people laugh and making them uncomfortable. In an effort to separate impact of words from the intent, Andrew explains how his jokes can sometimes be misinterpreted and how comedy, at its core, is about perspective. As the convo furthers, the guys get in-depth about the weight of words, racism, reactions to jokes. the changing nature of comedic responsibility, social media and how the internet can twist context into controversy. Andrew admits that his approach to comedy has matured over time, and he’s become conscious of never wanting to hurt anyone and feels his humor is now diversified and united by cultural impact of all people. Buried in the deep revelations, Andrew comes prepared with lots of one liners and fun jabs at Ryan, Fred and Channing, showing a glimpse of the wit, edge and quickness that has yielded his extraordinary success. Beyond the laughs, Andrew opens up about his personal life, from his father’s role in his career to getting his start in comedy to his struggles with starting a family and how his fanbase transcended into one of the most diverse audiences in comedy. At the core of this discussion is proof that people, even those who have differences and seem on total opposite sides of something, may be more alike than different afterall. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Before March bids us farewell, the guys weigh in on some of the sports madness the month has brought us and we aren't just talking about the NCAA tournament- we get into it all with a lot of laughs, heated debates and bold takes. From legend rivalries to the back forth of Stephen A and Lebron to social media craziness to Bronny's career to NCAA women's basketball this year vs last- Ryan, Fred, and Channing are breaking down the biggest storylines- unfiltered and without hesitation. Reacting directly to Lebron's interview on Pat McAfee, Ryan believes the conversation was full of so many nuggets about sports, life and family but Channing says none of that matters to him when considering if Bronny deserves to be in the NBA while Ryan and Fred offer a more measured take. The guys discuss the fallout of how far it's gotten with Stephen A and how the saga is very personal and no longer just about basketball. As the conversation shifts to Bronny James, LeBron’s parenting, all three guys can relate to wanting to protect your family and also on creating the most opportunity for your children through doors you can help open for them. Channing and Fred discuss what is the best ways to set up your children for success and stability while Ryan says providing an example is the best way to show them the way personally, professionally and respectfully by passing down values and sharing traits to help deal with the pros and cons faced. As parents, how do we phrase therapy, especially for young people, as a positive action vs "something must be wrong"? Also making headlines is the viral exchange between NFL All Pro Asante Samuel and Deion Sanders- the guys try to make sense of the conversation and why one side would even challenge the other in this skill level debate as Ryan, Channing and Fred are very blunt on their response to the two's war of words. The fellas dive into the viral phenomenon of Ashton Hall’s morning routine, debating whether his banana peel and Saratoga water content is motivational or just another influencer trend. Ryan offers up his own experiences of comparing one's everyday grind to someone else’s highlight reel as everyone's struggles and circumstances are different. Fred emphasizes perspective, importance of staying authentic and not allowing the highs of success change the course while Channing says he never will stray from who he is to appease public perception. And of course, it wouldn’t be March without some hoops talk, the unfortunate outcome for JuJu Watkins to praising Hailey Van Lith's vulnerability to this year's NCAA tournament to Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese forever impacting women's sports but did we take for granted the competition Caitlin and Angel created? Listen to what the guys say as they dive into that and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“I had to do a 180. I had to completely turn my back on what was. And I still have to kill that little monster every day.” Jelly Roll We often say, "It's never too late to Pivot." and the epitome of that saying is the journey of Grammy Award Artist and Nashville Native, Jelly Roll, who's pure existence is an inspiration in every way. Opening up on his powerful path from a turbulent past, marked by addiction, incarceration, and emotional struggles to becoming one of the most celebrated and popular figures in music today, Jason DeFord widely known as Jelly Roll, sheds light on the darkness that has helped him rise to stardom. Ryan, Channing and Fred visit Jelly Roll at his Tennessee farm for a conversation rooted in friendship and acceptance as Jelly shares a message of hope, redemption and healing just as the lyrics of his music resonate with so many, especially those facing hardship. Together the guys explore Jelly's troubled past, from 15 years of criminal activity to being in jail while his daughter was born, to battling demons to overcoming addiction to the importance of love and healing in personal transformation. He admits he’s not proud of who he was, but those dark times shaped the man he’s become today. Transparent about his relationship with his wife Bunnie XO, Jelly opens up about the shame they both feel through their past habits and history before committing to one another and elevating each other through forgiveness and fostering a life of harmony and peace.   Faith plays a big role in Jelly Roll’s journey, but he keeps it real. “I talk to God like I talk to everybody. I might even cuss when I pray.” Now, as a husband and father, he talks about his fears of losing the stability he’s built, the impact of therapy on his mental health, and why it was important for his daughter to see him be vulnerable so she could feel safe doing the same.   Choosing to be public about his past, Jelly Roll never expected to be accepted by country music, but from Reba McEntire to Dolly Parton, the legends welcomed him as he transcended culture, he speaks on how Eminem inspired him long before they collaborated and how he now sees his music as a way to heal others while still healing himself.   Jelly Roll’s purpose goes beyond entertainment. He stood in front of the U.S. Senate to address the fentanyl crisis, spoken out about addiction’s impact on families, and dedicated himself to helping at-risk youth. His weight loss journey, his struggles with food addiction, and his fight to replace destructive habits all reflect a man constantly evolving, always trying to be the best version of himself.   This pivotal conversation is proof that no one is beyond saving and through Jelly Roll's vulnerability, his story isn’t just about overcoming the past it’s about embracing purpose, healing, and using pain to inspire others. Keep pushing through, the best is yet to come. Follow us on your favorite audio platform for more stories like this. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“The individual stuff is great, but you truly measure greatness by what your team does.” Cam Heyward Pittsburgh Steelers All-Pro   Ryan, Channing and Fred sit down with the heartbeat of the Pittsburgh Steelers, NFL Pro Bowler and All-Pro defensive tackle, Cam Heyward who joins the guys to talk about his football legacy, personal struggles, roster changes, quarterback questions and his relentless pursuit of a Super Bowl championship. Being drafted in the first round by Pittsburgh in 2011 wasn't just about Cam playing for one of the NFL's premiere organizations, it was the chance for Cam to write the next chapter of his story back in his birthplace, a city that holds a special place to his family. In a moment of personal reflection, Cam speaks of losing his father, Craig “Ironhead” Heyward, and the depression he battled silently from it, almost derailing his young football career. He credits his mother for stepping up, not just as a parent but as an advocate for his football future, making sure coaches knew exactly what kind of player and man they were getting.  Cam's rookie year was also the year Ryan was a captain of the Steelers defense as the two exchange funny stories and talk about the player Cam became and all the different talents and guys who've played for the black and yellow since. Cam opens up about playing alongside his younger brother, Connor Heyward, and how their relationship has evolved from siblings to friends to teammates. He shares what he’s learned from past Steelers legends and how he holds his current teammates to the same high standard that was expected of him. He even reveals some of his instigation tactics during practice used to generate a "Steeler" type of locker-room energy. And, we all know Mike Tomlin as one of the greatest coaches and leaders but Cam sheds insight into his bond with Mike T and some of what we don't see from the outside, explaining how the unconditional trust and respect goes far beyond the field and is never questioned.  Beyond the game, giving back is always at the forefront of Cam's daily routine. After multiple nominations, Heyward won the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award in 2023, and he opens up about the surreal feeling of earning the NFL’s highest honor for community service and the forever gratitude of this accomplishment. But for Cam, legacy isn’t just about awards it’s about chasing greatness, proving doubters wrong, and leaving behind a name that stands for perseverance and impact. He makes it clear his career won’t feel complete without a Super Bowl- He isn't ready to give up the quest for a Lombardi just yet and feels Pittsburgh has the right balance of new faces and veterans to get it done.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"You need to see what you are made of. I think everyone needs to go to the top and take a dip....Falling down really determines your true success. How do you get back up?" Timbaland    You know how it goes Pivot Family- 'It’s been a long time, we shouldn’t have left you, without a dope beat to step to'....Well we have that beat, as we welcome entertainment icon, Timbaland to The Pivot as he delivers a masterclass in music, resilience, and reinvention. The Grammy-winning producer sits down with Ryan, Fred and Channing to talk about his legendary career, the price of success, overcoming addiction, and the future of the industry.   Raised in Virginia, Timbaland didn’t come from a major music city, but that only made him hungrier. He breaks down how growing up with limited resources forced him to use anything available to him to create a sound that had never been heard before. As a teenager, he was shot in the neck, leaving him temporarily paralyzed on one side, but it didn't slow up his creative drive, it only sharpened his focus, clearing the way for one of the most distinct musical paths.  Ryan recounts how Timbaland, a musical mastermind, was a soundtrack to life growing up and is behind some of the most memorable hits of our times. With over 18-GRAMMY nominations, 4 GRAMMY wins and 200+ ASCAP Music awards, he shares with the guys how he understands his contributions to the music world and is grateful for working with some of the most successful and legendary artists who always brought out the best in him.    From Jay-Z’s effortless flow to Missy Elliott’s visionary and creativity, Timbaland shares what makes "the Greats" different. He breaks down how he and Missy discovered Aaliyah’s “Try Again” beat, the chemistry behind Justin Timberlake’s biggest hits, the songs he wished he released differently, his in-studio process with Jay Z and why some artists just have an energy that can’t be duplicated. Timbaland opens up on his dark times, discussing the moment success became too much and admits that at his peak, he let his ego overpower his talent, which allowed addiction to give him a false sense of power. He recalls out-of-body experiences that made him confront how far he had fallen, the loss of reality and how ultimately, it was deep self-reflection, faith and his wife’s voice that brought him back.   Despite decades of prominence and success, Timbaland isn’t stuck in the past. He’s studying the next wave of producers, embracing change, and keeping his sound ahead of the curve. He talks about the impact of Versuz's platform that he co-created with Swizz Beatz, how new artists are still trying to replicate his blueprint, and how the secret to true success isn’t about longevity, it’s about knowing how to adapt and elevate.   This conversation takes us on a journey through music but also sheds light on lessons of falling, rebuilding, and coming back stronger than ever. As in music and in life, Timbaland’s story is proof that the real beat never stops, sometimes, you just have to find the rhythm again. Don't forget to like and follow us on your audio platform of choice.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“I’m never out here trying to prove to others who I am. I’m out here proving to myself that I’m exactly who I said I am.” Natasha Cloud WNBA Champion   Pivot Family, We have had a lot of great conversations but this one is up there as one of our favorites because it’s so personal, covering so many life aspects we don’t talk about often and truly reveals the inner character of a remarkable woman who stands on strength and is fueled by passion and purpose. Ryan, Fred and Channing sit with former WNBA champion and Connecticut Sun point guard Natasha Cloud. Cloud, joins the guys for an emotional and powerful conversation about her journey through basketball, identity, social justice advocacy, and the fight for equality in women’s sports. Through her battle scars and experiences, we get to know the real side of this strong woman who found her voice at a young age and has never hid from who she is to use it.    Growing up biracial, in a predominantly white household and community, Cloud reflects on feeling like she existed in a “gray area”…never feeling fully white, never feeling fully black and how that shaped her outlook. Shedding some tears, she shares how much her parents mean to her and how they embraced her wholeheartedly even though it wasn’t always easy times. Cloud opens up about her self discovery to understanding her Blackness, the difficult conversations that came with it, and how her white parents made a constant effort to support her experience as a Black woman.   Energized and excited about the success and competition of playing in the Unrivaled league- Cloud is now gearing up for their next battle as she is at the forefront of the WNBA’s fight for better pay, benefits, and respect. She speaks passionately about the upcoming Collective Bargaining Agreement, the need for pensions, and the growing investment in women’s basketball. She also discusses this past WNBA season with the increased viewership and doesn’t shy away from speaking on aggressive play being criticized as something other than basketball.    Candid about her personal relationship with fellow WNBA player Isabelle Harrison, Cloud takes us through the challenges of being a Black gay woman, and how she struggled to reconcile her faith with her identity while balancing societal pressures and criticism. By overcoming constant battles, Cloud finds strength in embracing who she is through thick and thin and never lets what others think be of influence.    The guys talk about Cloud skipping the 2020 WNBA season to focus on social justice, the burden of constantly speaking out on important issues, and how she’s learned the importance of self-care, acknowledging that while she wants to fight for change, she also understands that she can’t pour from an empty cup.   This episode is about courage, resilience, and standing firm in who you are. Natasha Cloud’s story is a beautiful one of pride, courage, love, family and proof that playing basketball is bigger than sports. Finding purpose in using her platform for change, she’s a proven leader, and willing to stand on the shoulders of those who came before her to leave the game and world better for future generations of young women.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices