
The Fed just hiked for the first time since 2023, and Gary Brode's answer is that it changed nothing at all. Jackson sits down with the Deep Knowledge Investing founder on why the Fed is now irrelevant, and why he spent a month paying for lunch in Bitcoin.
Guest: Gary Brode, founder of http://deepknowledgeinvesting.com/ and a former long/short hedge fund manager
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ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Gary Brode's argument is that the Federal Reserve has become a spectator. The Fed sets the overnight rate, but corporate borrowing is priced off the five year Treasury and mortgages off the ten year, and the bond market answered two years and 200 basis points of cuts by pushing long yields higher. With the ten year just under 5% and M2 growing about 5%, the real return on Treasuries is roughly zero, which is why Brode says Kevin Warsh is right that policy was never restrictive and why 25 basis points changes nothing. What matters instead is Congress, overspending by trillions a year, and a Treasury he reads as panicking through its buyback expansion and its yen purchases ahead of the midterms. His conclusion is to own what cannot be printed. He closes on a month in El Salvador, where he paid for lunch over Lightning and calls Bitcoin a working currency.
CHAPTERS
00:00 - Gary Brode on the Fed's First Hike Since 2023
02:03 - Why 2% Inflation Is Theft, Not a Target
04:30 - Congress, Nixon and the End of the Gold Standard
07:13 - What the Bond Market Is Telling the Fed
09:10 - The Fed Does Not Control Interest Rates
11:45 - Warsh Is Right, Policy Was Never Restrictive
15:24 - Why the Fed Is Now Irrelevant
16:10 - Hard Assets: Bitcoin, Gold, Silver, Uranium
21:45 - Why Bitcoin Rallied When the Treasury Panicked
26:10 - The Yen Intervention and the Reverse Carry Trade
31:09 - The Midterm Playbook and the Inside Information Line
39:22 - Gas Prices Are Not Up in 40 Years
46:00 - The 60/40 Portfolio and the AI Capex Risk
48:20 - OpenAI, NVIDIA and Circular Financing
52:56 - El Salvador: From 36 Murders a Day to Near Zero
56:00 - Bitcoin Beach, the Coffee Test and Lightning
1:02:13 - A Dollar Economy That Settles in Sats
1:05:47 - Where to Find Gary Brode
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The Last Trade: a weekly, bitcoin-native podcast covering the intersection of bitcoin, tech, and finance on a macro scale. Hosted by Jackson Mikalic, Michael Tanguma, and Brian Cubellis. Join us for the biggest stories shaping bitcoin and digital asset adoption, and what they mean for investors protecting their wealth for the long term.
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