The "Boy Books" MELTDOWN

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we tackle a surprisingly contentious question: are “boy books” actually a problem? The conversation begins with an article arguing that schools encourage boys to read stereotypically masculine stories while failing to challenge their interests. But what's wrong with a boy wanting to read a wilderness survival story like Hatchet? We examine the argument that books associated with boys are somehow less valuable, including the article's bizarre description of young readers who enjoy Hatchet as “would-be incels.” Next we compare Hatchet with books like Island of the Blue Dolphins, discuss our own childhood reading experiences, and question why boys' preferences are so often treated as something that needs correcting. If boys aren't reading enough, shouldn't encouraging them to read whatever interests them be the priority? We also consider whether attempts to broaden audiences for traditionally male-dominated subjects like science and math actually work, and whether publishers' efforts to categorize books by gender are helping anyone. From there, the discussion expands into the difference between education and indoctrination, the difficulty of changing people's minds, and whether bitterness can prevent us from accepting things we don't like. We also get into the nature-versus-nurture debate, questioning how much of our interests come from our environment, our upbringing, or something more fundamental. Big thanks to our patrons, we’ll be back next week! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we explore the strange business of outsourcing everyday life, starting with Rent-A-Mom, a service that charges college students for a little extra care. Is this a genuinely useful service for students who need help managing their lives, or are we paying a premium to avoid doing things our parents used to handle for free? From there, we zoom out to a bigger question: has modern life become too frictionless? Between GPS, food delivery, digital entertainment, and AI assistants, technology has made it easier than ever to get what we want with minimal effort. But what happens when convenience starts eliminating the everyday challenges that help us build skills, independence, and a sense of accomplishment? We examine the idea of “friction maxing”, deliberately reintroducing effort into daily routines, and put its recommendations to the test. Should you borrow books from the library instead of downloading them, navigate with paper maps instead of GPS, listen to entire albums, repair your belongings, plan meals by hand, or grow your own vegetables? We dissect why some suggestions seem genuinely useful, while others raise the question of whether adding difficulty actually makes an experience better. Finally, we consider the difference between purposeful effort and inconvenience for its own sake. Does taking the harder route make us more capable, or are we just creating extra work? Big thanks to our patrons, we’ll be back soon! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we dive into Mike Flanagan’s new Carrie adaptation, and the increasingly common storytelling instinct to explain every villain through trauma. Why has “hurt people hurt people” become such a popular narrative shortcut, and does understanding why someone does terrible things make them any less interesting as a character? We compare the series with Stephen King’s original novel and other adaptations, then expand into East of Eden, and why Kevin argues that it fundamentally changed its source material by giving destructive characters trauma-based explanations for their behavior. If most people who experience trauma don't go on to hurt others, are these stories actually exploring human nature or just using backstory to excuse their villains? From there, we get into what Carrie gets right and where it goes wrong. We praise its modernization of school bullying through social media, its supporting performances, and its early episodes, but question Carrie’s characterization, Margaret White’s inconsistent portrayal, and some of the stories' rushed pacing. Finally, we try to untangle the series’ increasingly complicated supernatural mythology, including astral projection, mysterious organizations, and a finale that left us questioning who was actually responsible for the massacre. Big thanks to our patrons, we’ll be back next week! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we explore the strange economics of collecting physical media, from the days when people practically gave away old video games to a world where physical games are becoming more and more scarce. Why do things that nobody wants suddenly become valuable, and how do you know when to buy something before it disappears or becomes wildly expensive? We share our own collecting regrets, from video games that have jumped from $80 to $600 to obscure trading cards that have quietly multiplied in price. But the problem goes beyond retro collectibles. Physical releases of modern games are becoming harder to find, niche anime Blu-rays are going out of print, and the mass-market paperback may be on its way out. Is there a window right now to pick up physical media while it's still cheap? The conversation continues into the hidden costs of collecting, including shipping prices that can make a $5 comic almost impossible to buy online. We also discuss the glut of cheap books and DVDs sitting in thrift stores and flea markets, and whether today's oversupply could become tomorrow's scarcity. With streaming services removing shows, editing older content, and making entire catalogs difficult to access, physical media may be more important than its current market value suggests. Finally, we get into premium book editions, print-on-demand publishing, and the surprisingly practical importance of keeping a collection inventory. What should you buy while you still can, and what might you regret leaving behind? Big thanks to our patrons, we’ll be back soon! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we tackle the increasingly unavoidable problem of “cringe”, and whether being afraid of looking stupid is making us less willing to be sincere. What used to describe genuine secondhand embarrassment has become a catch-all insult for anything earnest, unusual, or publicly visible. All of this leads us to ask, why does everything seem so afraid to take itself seriously? Next we dissect the difference between traditional cringe comedy, like David Brent in The Office, and the broader culture of online ridicule, where ordinary people can be recorded, mocked, and judged by enormous audiences. Does constantly looking for embarrassing behavior make us less empathetic? And how much grace should we give people who spend their lives speaking, performing, or broadcasting when mistakes are inevitable? The conversation turns toward creativity and the unavoidable “cringe phase” everyone goes through while learning something new. We discuss why awkward performances can still be joyful and meaningful, and whether embarrassment is simply the price of participating in the world. We also explore how the internet can simultaneously punish unusual interests and create communities for people who love the most specific things imaginable. Finally, we consider the relationship between cringe, sincerity, and AI-generated content. As the internet becomes increasingly polished and optimized, could genuine weirdness and personal obsession become more valuable? Big thanks to our patrons, we’ll be back next week! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we dive into the strange psychology of “hobby gooning”, the point where a normal interest becomes an all-consuming niche obsession. Matt breaks down his 1970s Western Electric telephone from an estate sale and how he used a borrowed “Barbie screwdriver” to get it off the wall. What starts as a fun story quickly becomes a broader conversation about why some people become deeply invested in things that almost nobody around them understands. We discuss the isolation that can come with niche interests, from obscure books and anime to collecting telephones and historical firearms, and whether having a hobby that exists independently of social approval can actually make you more comfortable being your own person. Why do some people build their identities around massive franchises, while others become fascinated with things almost nobody else cares about? From there, we try to audit our own hobbies by figuring out what actually draws us to them. Kevin breaks down his obsession with Souls-like games and the shared appeal of The Lord of the Rings, JRPGs, heroic fantasy, and stories about ordinary people overcoming impossible odds. Matthew explores his own collecting and the family history behind his fascination with telephones. Finally, we discuss whether niche communities are more valuable than broad online discourse, and why talking to one genuinely knowledgeable person can be more rewarding than reading thousands of opinions online. We close by looking at book-to-screen adaptations and the fundamental differences between storytelling in prose and film. What does your hobby actually say about you, and do you know why you love the things you love? Big thanks to our patrons! We’ll be back next week. You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we tackle a strange disconnect in modern media: why can someone have millions of followers and still struggle to get people to show up? We begin with VidCon and the changing relationship between creators and their audiences. We start comparing the early days of YouTube to the fragmented world of TikTok and modern algorithm-driven content. What happened to the idea of a creator being important enough that fans would actually travel to see them? From there, we introduce Kevin’s “Invisible Fan Theory,” the idea that views and streams can represent passive exposure rather than genuine fandom. We explore the phenomenon through VidCon, concerts, and streaming numbers, including the strange possibility that an artist can rack up billions of streams while struggling to sell tickets. Is all that consumption actually creating fans, or is much of it just digital background noise? The discussion expands into what separates truly devoted fandoms from massive but interchangeable audiences. We compare expensive Taylor Swift concerts, sports events, and UFC fights with struggling creator conventions, and discuss why people will spend thousands on experiences that feel personally meaningful. Finally, we look at algorithmic filter bubbles, the growth of specialized communities like Open Sauce, and the increasing sameness of online creators. If YouTube becomes a “solved game” where everyone follows the same formulas, could being genuinely distinctive become the thing that matters most? Thanks to our patrons, we’ll be back next week! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS: Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor Executive Producer: Ben Webster Editor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com Opening Animation: Kidmograph City Animation: Eric Langlay "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media. CONNECT WITH US: » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we tackle one of the more uncomfortable topics of the modern day: what happens when AI can do the work you built your identity around? The conversation begins with Fern’s video “The Death of Educational Content on YouTube,” exploring how AI-generated scripts, visuals, and research are making it easier to produce convincing educational videos at an unprecedented pace. But when the information is wrong, who catches it, and what happens when viewers can’t tell the difference? Next we discuss Matt’s “Tabor Obituary Test,” a simple experiment designed to reveal what AI actually knows about a person, and how easily AI-generated content can blur the line between research and plagiarism. From there, we examine the growing phenomenon of real human work being dismissed as “AI slop,” including a 3D artist whose work was accused of being AI-generated. Has documenting the creative process become part of the job? The discussion expands into YouTube’s responsibility for maintaining quality, the difficulty of correcting misinformation in video, and why educational content may be particularly vulnerable to AI. What can humans still offer that AI still can’t? Is it personal experience, mistakes, perspective, and the strange little details that make something feel genuinely human? Finally we wrestle with the bigger existential question: if AI eventually becomes capable of replicating even those uniquely human qualities, what happens to the value of creativity itself? Big thanks to our patrons, we’ll see you next week! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today we dive into the decline of the Western, starting with Seven Samurai and its influence on The Magnificent Seven. We compare the 1960 original with the 2016 remake, praising the remake's casting while arguing that it leaves out some of the original's most meaningful scenes. Are modern stories losing the lessons of heroism that people like Bernardo O'Reilly's worked so hard to craft? From there, we explore how Westerns evolved from simple good-vs.-evil morality tales into the morally ambiguous films of the Clint Eastwood era, and why Unforgiven may have marked the end of the genre's cultural dominance. Along the way, we also discuss what classic Westerns reveal about courage, masculinity, self-defense, and changing cultural values. Could the Western's irrelevance actually make it more interesting to watch today? We close by recommending several classics, including The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Yojimbo, A Fistful of Dollars, and Once Upon a Time in the West. We’ll be back next week, thanks to our patrons! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks to MAINGEAR for speeding up everything for us. Check out the VYBE line that’s making up the core of Matt’s new studio -- and use code CREATE for a free additional year of warranty on desktops: https://maingear.com/ref/656/ Join Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecreateunknown Today we tackle one of the more uncomfortable questions in modern entertainment: what happened to masculinity in storytelling? The conversation begins with a YouTube essay arguing that anime like Frieren: Beyond Journey's End is "rewriting" masculinity. We go on to question that premise, pointing out that traits like chivalry, courage, self-sacrifice, and respect are hardly new inventions. This leads us to ultimately ask, why can genuinely positive masculine characters feel so unusual in modern Western media? Next we discuss Frieren and its portrayal of Himmel the Hero, contrasting its emphasis on kindness, relationships, and small human moments with the battle-focused storytelling common in anime. From there, Kevin talks about the idea of "millennial writing" and the tendency for modern stories to constantly joke about themselves, undercut serious moments, and make sure the audience knows the creators understand how ridiculous everything is. The discussion expands into why contemporary entertainment seems so afraid of sincerity, the differences between Western and Japanese storytelling, and the unusual success of characters like Reacher. That finally leads us to debate whether online criticism actually represents what audiences want, and whether people are increasingly hungry for stories that simply take themselves seriously. Big thanks to our patrons, we’ll be back next week! You love anime. You love tea. Get 10% off your order with code CREATE at The Dragon's Treasure: https://www.thedragonstreasure.com/ Buy our T-shirts: https://www.thecreateunknown.com/store/ Join our Discord to talk with artists, creators, and fans of the finer things in online life: discord.gg/vnRnr3rCzt Apple: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownApple Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheCreateUnknownGooglePodcasts CREDITS:  Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor  Executive Producer: Ben WebsterEditor: Spencer Vann "Created in the Unknown" theme by Basswaite: https://linktr.ee/Basswaite   Theme by Mega Drive → http://megadrivemusic.com   Opening Animation: Kidmograph  City Animation: Eric Langlay  "The Create Unknown" is produced by Unknown Media.  CONNECT WITH US:  » Chat with us on DISCORD: https://discord.gg/qAQV3Jw   » Follow us on TWITTER: http://twitter.com/createunknown   » Follow us on INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/thecreateunknown   » Follow us on FACEBOOK: http://facebook.com/thecreateunknown   » View our website: https://thecreateunknown.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices