Deep Story: Bob Rogers on Creating Experiences That Change People

What happens when a founder stops asking, “How big can I make this?” and starts asking, “What do I actually want this business to give me?” In this episode of The CJ Moneyway Show, CJ sits down with Ashish Gupta for a wide-ranging conversation about entrepreneurship, operational leadership, scaling, spirituality, focus and fulfillment. Ashish challenges one of business culture’s dominant assumptions: that every successful company should continually grow. Growth has a cost. It can require more capital, people, emotional investment, time, complexity and personal sacrifice. Before accepting that cost, founders should determine whether expansion serves the life and sense of completion they are actually seeking. The conversation then moves from philosophy into operations. CJ and Ashish examine the difference between the visionary who can see where an organization needs to go and the operator who can translate that vision into what must happen this week, this month and this quarter. Ashish discusses fractional operational leadership, why traditional coaching can sometimes leave founders with longer to-do lists, and why small and midsized businesses may benefit from operators who do more than recommend changes - they help execute them. The conversation becomes more personal as Ashish explains how spiritual service influences his leadership. He discusses emotional stability, empathy versus sympathy, individualized management, service and learning to anchor one’s internal state somewhere deeper than constantly changing business circumstances. CJ connects those principles with his own experiences around faith, mentorship, legacy, delegation and building systems capable of carrying a founder’s vision.The result is not simply a conversation about scaling. It is a conversation about deciding what deserves to be scaled in the first place. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What do you do when the job market keeps saying no - and what do you build when an entire industry is serving the wrong customer? In this episode of The CJ Moneyway Show(TM), CJ sits down with Anya Cheng, founder and CEO of Taelor. Anya shares how she entered the U.S. job market during the 2008 financial crisis with limited English and no easy path into marketing. She printed an alumni directory, made cold calls, traveled between major cities, found creative ways into conferences, and eventually turned competitive research into a proposal for a new digital service - with herself as the contractor ready to build it. That beginning led to a career across personalization, commerce, delivery, international expansion, and product leadership at organizations associated with Sears, Target, McDonald's, eBay, and Meta. Anya explains that smart teams are not persuaded by confidence alone. Leaders must make the logic visible: What is the goal? What is the hypothesis? What trade-off does the strategy make? What evidence would change the decision? Taelor applies that discipline to men's fashion. Its customer may want to look prepared for a job interview, date, presentation, or executive meeting without browsing thousands of products or managing laundry. AI and human stylists use fit, preference, occasion, behavior, quality, and feedback data to assemble coordinated outfits through a rental model. PAGE 5CJ MONEYWAY MEDIA(TM) | PODCAST EDITORIAL INTELLIGENCE The most important insight goes beyond clothes. AI generally learns from the past. A company's advantage comes from creating data competitors do not have and cannot easily buy. Taelor says it can observe preference without the same price distortion as e-commerce, learn garment durability through repeated cleaning, and connect customer feedback to brand partners designing future collections. Human stylists remain close to customers, train the system, and protect the trust AI alone may not yet earn. The supplied transcript ends at 30:00 during Anya's answer about building trust. Final release copy must be expanded or corrected only after the remaining source is reviewed. Episode Key Takeaways Rejection can become research when you study what the organization actually needs. A founder can create a role or product by proposing a solution before asking for permission. Customers may value time, confidence, and peace of mind more than the physical product itself. The strongest AI moat is often unique, continuously refreshed data rather than access to a general model. Observed behavior can be more reliable than what people claim about size, taste, or preference. Human experts build trust, interpret nuance, and surface needs that structured inputs miss. Circular systems can turn returns, cleaning, and reuse into quality intelligence. A clear hypothesis allows teams and investors to evaluate strategy without sharing the founder's intuition. Guest Links and CTA Taelor: https://taelor.style/ Membership options: https://taelor.style/pages/membership Anya Cheng on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anyacheng/ Guest must confirm the preferred CTA, active promotional code, current pricing, service territory, current biography, and tagged social accounts before publication. Do not publish an older podcast code without Taelor's written confirmation. CJ Moneyway Audience CTA If this conversation made you rethink what gives AI a real advantage, share it with a founder or leader building the next generation of customer experiences. Follow and subscribe to The CJ Moneyway Show(TM) for more transformational conversations built on purpose, systems, relationships, and legacy. CJ Moneyway Partner CTA Ready to strengthen your brand visibility, audience engagement, or media strategy? Connect with The Seidel Agency through the CJ Moneyway referral portal: http://theseidelagency.com/Referral Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What happens when the plan you trusted—go to school, get a good job, and build a secure life—stops working without warning? In this episode of The CJ Moneyway Show(TM), CJ sits down with Ann Pells, entrepreneur, real estate investor, financial educator, and founder of LifeGiver Legacy. Ann shares the moment her husband arrived home with a pink slip while their three young children stood around her. With the family's only income gone, she began searching for ways to create greater control, resilience, and income beyond a single job. Ann explains the lesson her grandfather gave her at fifteen: 'can't' is not the final answer. The better question is 'How can I?' That shift leads the conversation into the importance of finding the right people, building teams, delegating responsibly, and learning from those who have already traveled the road. The conversation also reaches a deeper turning point. After Ann trusted the wrong people, lost what her family had built, and watched those people go to jail, she spent the next decade pulling back. Her conclusion is powerful: the greatest cost was not only the lost money—it was the ten years fear kept her from rebuilding with new partners. CJ connects Ann's story to faith, servant leadership, bigger rooms, parenting, and the Brick by Brick(TM) responsibility to turn hard-earned lessons into a shorter path for others. This episode is not promise of guaranteed financial outcomes. It is a conversation about possibility, recovery, wise support, and the courage to begin again. https://lifegiverlegacy.com/ Ann's current starting-point page: https://annpells.com/start-here Free ebook page: https://lifegiverlegacy.com/free LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ann-pells-10397615 Guest must confirm the preferred primary CTA, current title, social handles, and any offer language before publication. CJ Moneyway Audience CTA If this conversation helped you reconsider what is possible after a setback, share it with someone who needs a reason to begin again. Follow and subscribe to The CJ Moneyway Show(TM) for more transformational conversations with people who are Built For Purpose(TM), building success brick by brick. CJ Moneyway Partner CTA Ready to strengthen your brand visibility, audience engagement, or media strategy? Connect with The Seidel Agency through the CJ Moneyway referral portal: http://theseidelagency.com/Referral Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What motivates a builder after the company is built, the money has been made, and the world already calls the journey successful? Daniel Lubetzky - founder of KIND Snacks and Builders Movement, founder and chairman of Camino Partners, full-time Shark on ABC's Shark Tank, and host of Build or Break - joins CJ Moneyway for a conversation about purpose beyond achievement. Daniel shares why builders are driven by problems worth solving and by the creative process of making something useful and beautiful. He traces his leadership growth from personally handling every job to finding people better than him, giving them real ownership, and learning when a founder must step back. The conversation then moves into failure intelligence. Daniel explains why a humbling setback can make a talented leader more introspective, hungry, and effective. He and CJ discuss the difference between experiencing failure and actually learning how to use it. In the episode's most personal section, Daniel separates external loss from personal worth. Builders may mourn, cry, struggle, and doubt themselves. But pain must not become identity. The work is to learn the lesson, treat people with kindness, give yourself grace, and return to the build. Daniel also introduces the Four C's of a builder's mind - curiosity, compassion, creativity, and courage - and explains how people who have faced discrimination or limited access can turn those pressures into empathy, resourcefulness, grit, and strategic advantage. PAGE 4CJ MONEYWAY MEDIA(TM) | PODCAST EDITORIAL INTELLIGENCE The episode closes with the foundation beneath the accomplishments: family, kindness, and the example of Daniel's father, a Holocaust survivor who endured one of history's hardest chapters without surrendering his humanity. Content Advisory and Support This episode includes discussion of suicide, grief, emotional distress, and financial loss. In the United States, anyone needing immediate emotional support may call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org. The 988 Lifeline is available 24/7/365 and describes its service as free and confidential. Episode Key Takeaways Money is an outcome of building; it is rarely the only reason serious builders continue. Founders scale when they replace personal control with capable ownership. Adversity can strengthen compassion, creativity, courage, and resourcefulness. Failure becomes intelligence only after reflection changes the next decision. External success and personal worth must never become the same measurement. A builder may pause, mourn, and doubt without giving up the right to begin again. Family provides a form of love that does not depend on the next deal or achievement. Kindness is not separate from legacy; it is one of the clearest ways legacy is lived. Guest Links and CTA Daniel Lubetzky: https://daniellubetzky.com/ Build or Break: https://daniellubetzky.com/podcast Camino Partners: https://www.caminopartners.com/ AVANCE Global 2026: https://avanceglobal.com/ AVANCE Global 2026 is scheduled for September 14-16 at Bellagio in Las Vegas. Daniel is listed as a featured speaker. Use the current event page for registration and program updates. CJ Moneyway Audience CTA If this conversation reached you during a difficult rebuilding season, share it with someone who needs the reminder that failure is an event - not an identity. Follow The CJ Moneyway Show(TM) for more transformational conversations with people building purpose, leadership, and legacy brick by brick. CJ Moneyway Partner CTA Ready to strengthen your brand visibility, audience engagement, or media strategy? Connect with The Seidel Agency through the CJ Moneyway referral portal:https://theseidelagency.com/referral/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What separates a story people enjoy from an experience that changes what they do? In this episode of The CJ Moneyway Show, CJ sits down with Bob Rogers, founder of BRC Imagination Arts and author of Deep Story: A Complete Guide to Creating Transformational Visitor Attractions. The CJ Moneyway Show(TM) | Built For Purpose(TM) | Internal Production Record | 3CJ MONEYWAY MEDIA(TM) | PODCAST EDITORIAL INTELLIGENCE & RELEASE Drawing from a career that began with magic and grew into more than four decades of story-driven experience design, Bob explains why the most meaningful work begins in the heart of the audience - not in the creator's clever idea or the newest technology. Bob breaks down the difference between getting attention and changing identity, the emotional trigger that connects an audience to a brand or subject, the danger of choosing tools before defining the task, and the power of a single governing idea to align architects, writers, filmmakers, executives, and technical teams. He also discusses the ethical responsibility attached to storytelling, the limits and promise of artificial intelligence, and the long work of building a company that can continue beyond its founder. CJ connects Bob's lessons to the Brick by Brick journey and his own keynote principle: AI is the mirror, not the master. Together, they explore how clarity, empathy, discipline, and responsibility turn creative ideas into experiences that move people toward lasting action. Deep Story is scheduled for official release on September 8, 2026. Visit BobRogers.com to learn more and BRCWeb.com to explore BRC Imagination Arts. Episode key takeaways Show business works when the show produces a meaningful business or behavioral outcome. Changing behavior often requires changing how people see themselves. The audience must recognize something of itself in the subject or brand. Clever creative work fails when people remember the spectacle but forget the product, subject, or purpose. Storytelling techniques can influence people for good or harm; creators must use them responsibly. Leaders should define the exact change before choosing design, technology, format, or content. The strongest central idea eliminates creative chaos by guiding thousands of downstream decisions. AI may accelerate production, but human judgment still determines what should be made and why. Founders must begin succession long before they are ready to leave; the transcript's full lesson is pending the missing second half. Learn more about Bob Rogers and pre-order Deep Story: A Complete Guide to Creating Transformational Visitor Attractions at https://www.bobrogers.com/. Explore BRC Imagination Arts and its story-driven visitor experiences at https://www.brcweb.com/. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Most business owners do not need more marketing noise. They need a message people understand, a brand people recognize, a clear picture of the customer they serve, and a channel that can produce results repeatedly. In this episode of The CJ Moneyway Show(TM), CJ sits down with Amber Gaige, a third-generation entrepreneur, international bestselling author, Certified StoryBrand Guide, and founder of Far Beyond Marketing. Amber's entrepreneurial education started at eight years old, when her parents turned a request for a puppy into her first lesson in borrowing, selling, marketing, and paying back a business loan with interest. After earning a classical music degree and performing in Europe, Amber returned to her family's plumbing, HVAC, and electrical businesses. There, marketing was not theoretical: if the phone did not ring, people could lose work. That pressure taught her to track results, hold vendors accountable, communicate return on investment, and simplify marketing for operators who do not have time or money to waste. Amber walks CJ through the Four C's of Effective Marketing - Clear Copy, Consistent Branding, Customer Demographics, and Channel Management - and explains why clarity must come before cleverness. The conversation also explores women in male-dominated industries, AI-assisted lead generation, StoryBrand, website ownership, business systems, and what makes a company attractive to a buyer. What You'll Learn • Why a customer should understand what you do and how they benefit almost immediately • How inconsistent logos, colors, fonts, and messaging weaken brand recognition • Why marketing to the wrong audience wastes money, even when the content looks good • How channel management turns one-time customers into repeatable revenue opportunities • Why documented systems, clean books, and repeatable lead generation matter before a sale • How StoryBrand positions the customer as the hero and the company as the guide • Why AI performs best when human judgment gives it clear direction • How faith, respect, hospitality, and service can become operating values - not just brand language Guest Bio Amber Gaige is a third-generation entrepreneur, international bestselling author, Certified StoryBrand Guide, and founder of Far Beyond Marketing. Drawing on experience in family-owned home-service companies, competitive industries, agency leadership, and a private-equity exit, she helps business owners simplify their marketing, clarify their messaging, and build systems designed to generate measurable growth. Guest Links and CTA • Far Beyond Marketing: https://farbeyondmarketing.com/ • Contact / book a conversation: https://farbeyondmarketing.com/contact/ • Email: [email protected] • Free marketing assessment / 2-minute marketing quiz: available through the Far Beyond Marketing website • Book: The Far Beyond Marketing Guidebook: How to Stop Being Duped by Bad Marketing CJ Moneyway Show CTA If this conversation helped you see your marketing more clearly, share it with a business owner who is tired of guessing. Follow and subscribe to The CJ Moneyway Show(TM) for more authentic conversations that build success brick by brick. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Every decision costs something. The hardest decisions are not between good and bad—they are between competing responsibilities, limited resources, uncertain outcomes, and values we do not want to surrender. In this episode of The CJ Moneyway Show, CJ sits down with Dr. Brad C. Anderson, a Canadian science-fiction author, university business educator, former biotechnology professional, and organizational-wisdom researcher. Brad explains how his seemingly different worlds all examine the same question: How do people and institutions make sound decisions when knowledge is not enough? Brad shares what science fiction taught him about imagining life beyond the rules of the ordinary world, what biotechnology revealed about the tension between scientific excellence and business reality, and why the strongest organizations combine different forms of expertise instead of allowing one discipline to dominate. The conversation moves into the heart of Brad’s research: knowledge may be necessary, but it becomes insufficient when we do not know enough, when what we believe is wrong, or when two valid facts point toward conflicting actions. Through examples involving quality, budgets, healthcare risk, vaccines, and organizational constraints, Brad shows why wise leadership requires more than having information—it requires navigating trade-offs. CJ and Brad also explore why life is governed by probabilities rather than guarantees, how lost trust changes decision-making, and why values, rationality, and power must be examined together. The result is a thoughtful but practical conversation for entrepreneurs, executives, educators, creators, and anyone responsible for making decisions that affect other people. Because sometimes the challenge is not finding the right answer. It is deciding what cost you are willing to carry—and acting with wisdom when no perfect answer exists. In this episode, you’ll learn • Why science fiction can strengthen strategic imagination • How disciplinary arrogance weakens organizations • Why knowledge alone cannot resolve complex trade-offs • The difference between certainty and probability • How trust shapes whether people accept expert guidance • Why values, rationality, and power belong in the same decision framework • How constraints determine what is ethically practical Episode key takeaways • Humility is a strategic capability: your expertise is one piece of the puzzle, not the entire puzzle. • A fact can be true and still be insufficient to determine what should happen next. • Wise decisions reconcile competing truths under real constraints. • Good behavior improves probability; it does not guarantee outcome. • Leaders damage trust when they communicate probability as certainty. • Values without power remain intentions; power without values can become manipulation. • The practical question is not only ‘What is right?’ but ‘What is ethically achievable here?’ Guest links and CTA block • Brad C. Anderson’s website: https://bradanderson2000.com/ • Free open textbook, Developing Organizational and Managerial Wisdom: https://kpu.pressbooks.pub/developingwisdom/ • LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/bcanders • Amazon author page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0088AJWW6 Public-release note: Do not publish Brad’s booking email or telephone number. Use the website and verified professional links above. If this conversation helped you think differently about leadership and decision-making, follow The CJ Moneyway Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, and the Bleav network. Share this episode with a leader facing a decision that has no perfect answer, and visit CJ Moneyway Media for more transformational conversations built brick by brick through authentic stories. Brad C Anderson, organizational wisdom, managerial wisdom, decision making under uncertainty, values rationality power, ethical leadership, leadership trade-offs, probabilistic thinking, organizational constraints, business decision making, multidisciplinary teams, science fiction author, biotechnology leadership, risk communication, trust in experts, complex problem solving, CJ Moneyway Show, Built For Purpose, Bleav Podcast Network Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The CJ Moneyway Show, powered by CJ Moneyway Media and the Bleav Network—where purpose is the blueprint and legacy is the goal. Struggling to generate a meaningful return from Google Ads? You are not alone. In this episode, CJ Moneyway sits down with John Horn, CEO of StubGroup, a digital advertising agency specializing in paid media management, Google Ads optimization, account suspension recovery, and advertising compliance. According to John, StubGroup has helped more than 2,000 clients generate over $400 million in revenue by navigating the complexities of pay-per-click advertising and creating campaigns focused on measurable business results. John explains why many paid advertising campaigns fail, how poor targeting and weak conversion tracking can drain marketing budgets, and why hiring the least expensive advertising provider can create greater costs over time. CJ and John also examine one of the most stressful challenges advertisers face: Google Ads account suspensions. John shares why accounts are suspended, the mistakes businesses commonly make when appealing, and how advertisers can build more compliant and resilient campaigns. In This Episode Why many Google Ads campaigns fail to generate a strong return Common PPC mistakes made by small and midsized businesses The danger of choosing paid advertising support based only on price How tracking, targeting, and landing pages affect profitability What causes Google Ads account suspensions How businesses can reduce advertising compliance risks The StubGroup approach to transparency and campaign optimization Google Ads strategies for specialized and niche industries The role of AI and automation in digital advertising How businesses can use paid media to scale responsibly John Horn’s advice for companies struggling to improve PPC performance Paid advertising should not be treated as a shortcut. It should be managed as a measurable business system—with clear objectives, accurate data, continuous optimization, and a realistic understanding of customer acquisition costs. Plus, stay tuned for the QuickFire Round, where John answers five rapid-fire questions with the first response that comes to mind. Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, and all major podcast platforms. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

After 43 years of marriage, Doug Lawrence lost his beloved wife and entered a season that changed his understanding of grief, mental health and purpose. In this deeply personal conversation, Doug explains why telling his wife’s story became part of his healing, how unresolved losses can accumulate and why asking for help should never be mistaken for weakness. He also discusses how mentors, counselors, family members and trusted friends can support someone through grief—while emphasizing that mentoring should never replace professional mental-health care. CJ shares how losing his father affected every member of his family differently, including how his mother continues to carry the loss of her husband. Together, CJ and Doug explore the memories, dates and ordinary moments that can bring grief back without warning. This conversation is about more than learning to live after loss. It is about preserving love, finding safe people with whom to tell the truth and understanding that nobody should have to walk through grief entirely alone. Doug Lawrence is a grief mentor, author and founder of TalentC. His book, Grief: The Silent Pandemic, examines the emotional and social realities of grief and the importance of connection throughout the healing journey. In this episode: • Why grief does not follow a fixed timeline • How different family members experience the same loss differently • Why storytelling became part of Doug’s healing • How unresolved losses can affect future grief • The role of memory and family rituals • Why men need safe spaces to discuss emotional pain • How mentoring can support—but not replace—professional care • Why it is okay to ask for help Connect with Doug Lawrence: Website: https://www.talentc.ca LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/douglawrence-mentor Grief: The Silent Pandemic is available through Amazon and other major booksellers. ISBN: 9781941680186. Listener note: This episode discusses bereavement, mental-health struggles and emotional crisis. It is intended for education and personal reflection and is not a substitute for care from a qualified mental-health professional. If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, call or text 988 in the United States or Canada. If there is immediate danger, contact local emergency services. The CJ Moneyway Show Transformational Conversations. Built For Purpose. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What Happens When a Place Refuses to Leave Your Imagination? Sometimes a story begins with an idea. Sometimes it begins with a character. And sometimes it begins with a place. For author Myron Edwards, a journey to Aphrodite’s Rock on the island of Cyprus became the creative spark behind Mistress of the Rock—a mythological novel bringing ancient legend into a modern story involving love, war, trauma, obsession, possession, and redemption. On this episode of The CJ Moneyway Show, CJ sits down with Myron to explore not simply the book, but the creative life that eventually produced it. Myron’s journey has moved through television comedy, advertising, international travel, media, and publishing. His earlier writing includes work connected with the legendary BBC comedy program The Two Ronnies. Over time, his storytelling evolved from the economy and wit of comedy and advertising into longer, emotionally layered fiction. And then Cyprus gave him another story to tell. IN THIS EPISODE CJ and Myron explore: • Myron’s evolution as a lifelong creative • His experience writing in television and advertising • The transition from comedy writing into fiction • How international travel influenced his storytelling • The experience that sparked Mistress of the Rock • Why Cyprus became more than simply a setting • The influence of Aphrodite and ancient Greek mythology • Bringing ancient mythology into a contemporary narrative • Writing about war trauma, obsession, love, and redemption • The discipline required to sustain a creative life • How writers transform experiences into stories • What Myron wants readers to experience through his work THE BIGGER MONEYWAY LESSON A creative life rarely moves in a perfectly straight line. The work you did ten years ago may prepare you for something you have not imagined yet. The place you visit today may become tomorrow’s story. The experiences that appear disconnected can eventually reveal themselves as pieces of the same journey. That is one of the deeper principles behind this conversation: Nothing meaningful has to be wasted when you learn how to turn experience into purpose. Brick by Brick. ABOUT MYRON EDWARDS Myron Edwards is a writer and storyteller whose creative career has included television, advertising, travel, media, and fiction. His work evolved from comedy writing associated with BBC television and The Two Ronnies into long-form fiction influenced by history, mythology, place, and human experience. He is the author of Mistress of the Rock, a mythological novel inspired by Aphrodite’s Rock and the island of Cyprus. CONNECT WITH MYRON EDWARDS Guest links were not supplied for this release package. Myron Edwards: @myronedwards Book: Mistress of the Rock CONNECT WITH CJ MONEYWAY Website: https://cjmoneyway.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themoneywayshow8493 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-c-j-moneyway-show/id1707761906 All Platforms: https://pod.link/1707761906 Book CJ: https://calendly.com/cj-cjmoneywayshow/60min Rate & Review The Show: https://ratethispodcast.com/cjmoneyway CJ MONEYWAY EXCLUSIVE BENEFITS Build Wealth — Protect Health You’re building financial freedom. Don’t neglect your physical foundation while doing it. ReadyRx provides accessible, modern treatment options designed for driven leaders who value long-term performance. Use the CJ Moneyway exclusive link below to receive a minimum of $40 off your order. Some products offer even greater savings. Access here: https://readyrx.com/treatments/se?coupon=cjmoney Minimum savings: $40 Some products include higher discounts. The Seidel Agency Referral: http://theseidelagency.com/Referral THE MONEYWAY MOVE Listen to Myron’s story and then ask yourself: What experience, place, relationship, or unfinished idea from your own journey might still be waiting for you to turn it into something meaningful? Listen. Watch. Subscribe. Share. Rate and review. Then take one principle from the conversation and put it into action. One Conversation. Unlimited Assets. Create Once. Publish Everywhere. Build Forever. That’s The CJ Moneyway. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.