#101 Apian Wisdom: Michael Joshin Thiele

Manda Scott is an award-winning novelist and host of the acclaimed Accidental Gods podcast. Best known for the Boudica: Dreaming series, her previous novels have been short-listed for the Orange Prize, the Edgar, Wilbur Smith and Saltire Awards and won the McIllvanney Prize. Her latest novel ANY HUMAN POWER is a Mytho-Political thriller which lays out a Thrutopian road map to a flourishing future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. With degrees in veterinary medicine and a Masters in Regenerative Economics, Manda’s life is oriented towards creating radical new narratives that will pave the way to the total systemic change our culture – and our world – needs. ANY HUMAN POWER is available for sale on Amazon. Connect with Manda Scott on Facebook, Bluesky, Goodreads, Instagram, and LinkedIn. Topics 00:00 – Introduction and Support Request 01:00 – Guest Introduction: Manda Scott 02:04 – Discussion on Thrutopian Novels 02:45 – Manda Scott’s Literary Influences 07:01 – Spiritual Practices and Shamanic Path 12:25 – The Concept of Thrutopian Fiction 17:29 – The Power of Fiction in Inspiring Change 21:22 – Genesis of ‘Any Human Power’ 27:45 – The Role of Dreaming in Spiritual Practice 27:52 – Shamanic Dreaming and Its Significance 29:08 – Connecting with Loved Ones Through Dreams 30:36 – Trauma Culture and Initiation Cultures 32:11 – The Four Stages of Evolution 36:40 – Dopamine vs. Serotonin Reward Systems 40:01 – The Importance of Community and Connection 45:11 – The Future of Spiritual Practice and Writing 46:29 – Integrating Dreaming into Daily Life 48:36 – Concluding Thoughts on Modernity and Community Resources The Weirdstone of Brisingamen by Alan Garner Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliff The Last of the Mohicans (1971 TV Series) Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer Riding the Horse Backwards by Arnold and Amy Mindell Regenesis by George Monbiot Sounds of SAND #85 In Our Bones: Osprey Orielle Lake Sounds of SAND #65 Emptiness & Grief: Francis Weller Sounds of SAND #98 Glissando of Consciousness: Andrew Holecek Sounds of SAND #11 Quantum Listening: IONE Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

Disentangling Judaism from the Violence of Occupation “The way to manifest your sacredness is to embody sacredness – to treat all life as sacred.”– Rabbi Cat Zavis In this live SAND Community Gathering (October 2024) Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo were in discussion with Rabbi Cat Zavis, a renowned Jewsish teacher, writer, and social justice activist. They discussed the misuse of Judaism to justify the brutal Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. Drawing on deep Jewish ethical traditions of justice and compassion, Rabbi Zavis showed how the occupation fundamentally contradicts core Jewish values. We explored the rich history of Jewish opposition to occupation and highlight contemporary movements working to honor Judaism’s ethical mandate, “Never Again” for anyone.Rabbi Cat Zavis is a passionate shaper of Jewish rituals and services that inspire and draw connections between the spiritual, personal, and political. She is a spiritual social justice activist, attorney, and visionary leader with over 20 years experience in empathic and people-centered leadership and collaboration. A sought after facilitator and trainer in nonviolent communication, prophetic empathy, collaboration, and conflict resolution, she has over 25 years experience working with and helping people understand our shared needs and how to challenge manifestations of othering and build beloved communities of belonging. While co-editor of Tikkun magazine, she wrote articles and helped shape the magazine; as Executive Director of the Network of Spiritual Progressives she has trained over 1000 people in Prophetic Empathy and Revolutionary Love. Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member. Resources Tikkun Beyt Tikkun Roots (1977 Miniseries) One Hundred Years War on Palestine by Rasheed Khalidi Jewish Voices for Peace SAND’s Helpful Resources on Palestine Topics 00:00 – Introduction and Greetings 00:31 – Current Situation in Gaza 01:58 – Introducing Rabbi Cat Zavis 02:16 – Rabbi Cat Zavis' Background 05:17 – Personal Journey and Reflections 12:11 – Jewish Ethical Values and Israeli Occupation 15:58 – The Split in the Jewish Community 24:54 – Truth, Justice, and Peace in Judaism 27:07 – Pursuing Truth and Justice 28:01 – Condemnation of Israeli Actions 29:43 – Judaism vs. Zionism 30:47 – Anti-Zionist Jewish Thinkers 32:08 – Theological Perspectives on Zionism 34:33 – Solidarity and Liberation 40:59 – The Role of Fear and Trauma 45:21 – Call for International Intervention 47:34 – Practical Support for Palestinian Rights 49:33 – Spiritual Reflections and Blessings

In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. You can watch this full conversation and 22 others at Where Olive Trees Weep: 23 Conversations on Palestine. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people These Black activists and scholars came together to shed light on the intersection anti-Black racism, Israeli apartheid, patriarchal oppression, and predatory capitalism’s interconnected plunder. This panel discussed the coalitional power that blossoms when we recognize our kindred liberatory movements. Their dialogue illustrated how the subjugation of any community reverberates as a threat against the collective freedom and wellbeing of all humanity. Their truth disrupts manufactured divisions and nurtures the global, intergenerational solidarities indispensable for our mutual emancipation. Faith Gay is an activist and incoming Master’s student at Princeton University with a background in anti-war organizing and congressional advocacy. Her work focuses on democratizing United States foreign policy so that it can be influenced by those most impacted by it, including those outside of Washington. She is a member of Black for Palestine, a collective organizing Black people in the U.S. to leverage their political, economic, and cultural power in support of Palestinian liberation and to end U.S. complicity in Israeli apartheid. Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart is a Black queer preacher, teacher, strategist, and justice advocate. She is an adjunct professor of theology and religious studies at Villanova University and in the spring of 2024 completed a two year term as the Government Fellow for Religion and Public Life at Harvard Divinity School. Rev. Naomi also serves as the first-ever Strategic Partnerships Director at Political Research Associates (PRA), a social justice research and strategy center that provides strategic insights and actionable research that identifies, disrupts, and competes with movements and institutions that undermine democracy, justice, and human rights. In 2021, Rev. Naomi founded Salt | Yeast | Light, an organization that develops spaces of spiritual education, disruption, reflection, transformation, and public action. Most recently, she joined the national leadership team of Christians for a Free Palestine. Imam Adeyinka Mendes is a spiritual counselor, meditation teacher, rites of passage facilitator, author, and Muslim religious leader based in Houston, Texas. He has been a student of the mystical traditions of Islam as well as indigenous and West African spiritual traditions for over 30 years after a life changing journey to Jerusalem at the age of 16. His focus as a teacher is on conveying the wisdom of our ancestors in ways that address the challenges and opportunities of the modern world. He is the founding director of Marhama (Arabic for 'expressing mutual compassion') Village, a community focused on building sustainable institutions through empowering service, prophetic spirituality, traditional knowledge, indigenous wisdom, and the arts. He has studied Classical Arabic, Islamic Sciences, sacred meditation, and the science of peace-building with sages and scholars from the United States, Syria, Sudan, Morocco, Mauritania, Nigeria, Egypt, Haiti, Senegal, and The Gambia. He imagines a world in which spiritual seekers from every tradition work together to establish a world of sacred service, compassion, and justice for every life. (Scheduled, but not present in the recording because of illness)Pastor Michael McBride is the executive director for LIVE FREE USA, a national organizing and social change network committed to ending the criminalization of people of color, reducing gun violence and transforming the policing and the criminal justice system. He was named by the Center for American Progress as a Top Clergy Leader in 2013 and served on President Obama’s Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships Council to address Poverty and Inequality in 2016. He is one of the national leaders in the movement to implement public health gun violence prevention programs, recently featured as one of CNN’s Champions of Change. He is the co-founder of Black Church PAC and the Black Brown Peace Consortium. Pastor McBride serves as the Lead Pastor of The Way Church in Berkeley, CA. He has been a frequent contributor to the New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, the Huffington Post and many other media outlets. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 02:25 Introducing Faith Gay 03:08 Faith Gay's Journey to Activism 06:22 Reverend Naomi's Story 10:46 Imam Adeyinka's Experience 18:06 Pastor Michael McBride's Work 19:55 Recognizing Apartheid and Segregation 28:23 Bearing Witness and Economic Support 33:27 Responding to Apartheid 34:33 Personal Reflections on Compromise 35:58 The Domino Effect of Speaking Out 37:57 White Supremacy and Global Racism 41:54 Solidarity with Indigenous People 42:51 The Importance of Healing 47:55 Spiritual Imperatives and Activism 52:10 Final Reflections and Call to Action SAND’s Helpful Resources on Palestine: https://whereolivetreesweep.com/resources/ Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

Ash Canty (he/him) is a trans masc, afro-indigenous, non-binary Psychic Medium & Death Guide. He support's and walks others in the threshold of their own unique death and dying process. He is led by spirit and his West African Benin, Eastern Band Cherokee, Northern Haudenosaunee and Blackfeet ancestors as well as the natural world in all that he does. In his mediumship gifts he offers powerful evidential mediumship readings & holds ongoing monthly live events, classes & courses for their community and supports them in remembering their own connection with spirit & the multidimensional realities or relation that surround us all. Links: Website Substack Instagram  The Liberation Portal Program Private Readings Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Guest Welcome 01:27 – Ash Canty's Journey as a Medium 04:04 – Impact of Collective Grief 06:24 – Offering Spirit Readings to Palestinians 12:00 – Connecting with Ancestors and the Land 19:57 – Healing Through Grief and Connection 27:25 – Exploring the Four Elements 27:36 – Accessing Grief Through Simple Practices 29:34 – Non-Linear Nature of Grief 32:26 – Grief and Gratitude: Two Sides of the Same Coin 36:22 – Messages from Ancestors 44:21 – Energy of War and Peace 46:48 – The Liberation Portal Program 47:47 – Live Show Events and Conclusion Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

In this Community Gathering (October 2024) Zaya and Maurizio were in discussion with Pir Zia Inayat Khan, a renowned spiritual teacher in the Sufi tradition, and explored the practice of turning toward the heart — a fundamental concept in Sufism and many other spiritual paths.   Can we see the heart not just as a physical organ, but as a center of consciousness, wisdom, and divine connection? Will this inner orientation lead us to greater self-awareness, compassion, and spiritual growth?   Drawing from Sufi wisdom and his own experience, Pir Zia offered insights on cultivating a heart-centered approach to life in a modern world that uplifts comfort to ignore suffering, and developing the ability to see where there is pain and hardship in order to bring healing there.   Together, we will explore the question, “How can we harmonize the inward journey with the outward call to stand for justice?”   Pir Zia Inayat Khan, PH.D., is a scholar of religion and teacher of Sufism in the universalist Sufi lineage of his grandfather, Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia is president of the Inayatiyya and founder of Sulūk Academy, a school of Sufi contemplative study and practice. He is author of Immortality: A Traveler’s Guide; Dream Flowers: The Collected Works of Noor Inayat Khan; Mingled Waters: Sufism and the Mystical Unity of Religions; and Saracen Chivalry: Counsels on Valor, Generosity and the Mystical Quest. He is editor of Caravan of Souls: An Introduction to the Sufi Path of Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia divides his time between Richmond, Virginia and Suresnes, France.   https://inayatiyya.org/ Watch the full video version of this event here: https://scienceandnonduality.com/event/turning-toward-the-heart/ Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Welcome 00:47 – Introducing Pir Zia Inayat Khan 01:50 – The Legacy of Hazrat Inayat Khan 06:14 – Understanding Sufism and Its Origins 12:00 – The Heart and Mind in Sufism 16:35 – Stages of the Sufi Path 24:45 – Embracing Suffering and Compassion 29:04 – The Power of the Heart in Healing 33:43 – The Responsibility of Action and Hope 35:40 – The Heroic Legacy of Noor Inayat Khan 39:27 – Sufi Influence and Universal Oneness 45:40 – Breaking the Cycle of Suffering 49:48 – The Ego and Collective Identity 53:44 – Interconnectedness and Healing 54:59 – Closing Reflections and Gratitude Resources: Where Olive Trees Weep (film by SAND) Inayat Khan Foundation – Inayatiyya - The Inayati Order Suluk Academy Caravan of Souls (book) Pir Zia Inayat Khan Teachings Hazrat Inayat Khan Teachings Noor Inayat Khan’s Legacy – Noor Inayat Khan: The Forgotten Spy Twenty Jataka Tales by Noor Inayat Khan Sounds of SAND #18 The Mysticism of Sound and Music (Podcast with Michael Harrison, Inayat Khan music scholar and composer) Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

Dr. Kamilah Majied, MSW, PhD, is a contemplative inclusivity and equity consultant, mental health therapist, clinical educator, researcher, and internationally engaged consultant on building inclusivity and equity using meditative practices. She is the author of Joyfully Just: Black Wisdom and Buddhist Insights for Liberated Living (Sounds True, 2024), and has authored many articles and chapters, including in the second edition of Advances in Contemplative Psychotherapy: “Contemplative Practices for Assessing and Eliminating Racism in Psychotherapy.” Resources: Reaching Beyond: Improvisations on Jazz, Buddhism, and a Joyful Life Wayne Shorter: The Jazz of Liberation - Tricycle Beyond White Mindfulness: Critical Perspectives on Racism, Well-being and Liberation - Routledge On the Origins of Woke - The Past Acclaimed Poet and Scholar Sonia Sanchez Delivers Stories of Opportunity and Resistance - Swarthmore College Joy That I Have - Rise Up and Sing Topics: 00:00 – Introduction to Dr. Kamilah Majied 01:29 – The Path of Buddhism and Personal Growth 02:40 – Intertwining Buddhism with Social Justice 03:32 – Influence of Family and Early Spiritual Exposure 08:24 – Black Wisdom Traditions and Cultural Contributions 11:08 – Cultural Appropriation and Mindfulness 27:38 – Global Majority and Reparative Relationality 30:43 – The Power of Words and Language 35:46 – Grief, Joy, and Social Justice 52:05 – Guided Meditation and Closing Thoughts Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

In this SAND Community Gathering (September 2024) Zaya and Maurizio sat down with Jess Semaan, poet, psychotherapist and facilitator to explore the intersection of poetry and grief in the context of genocide. They drew from her research on genocide, as well as her personal and professional experiences, Jess tended to our psycho-spiritual profound sorrow and loss in this time. By giving voice to the unspeakable and providing a means of bearing witness to the stories of those impacted by the trauma of large-scale atrocities, we are making space for individual and collective healing. Poetry helps us navigate the complex terrain of grief, injustice, and human suffering. Come and honor the resilience of communities that have endured such immense trauma. Jess Semaan is a queer Lebanese poet, psychotherapist, group facilitator and speaker. She researches, writes and speaks on subjects of healing from complex trauma, immigration, war and belonging.  Her first poetry book Child of the Moon was published by Andrews McMeel and sold over 14,000 copies. Her second book Your Therapist is Depressed Too came out in December 2023. She immigrated to the United States from Beirut. She has an MBA from Stanford and an M.A. in counseling Psychology from CIIS. She identifies as SWANA (South West Asia and North Africa), with grandparents from Syria, Palestine and Mount Lebanon and resides on Ohlone land (Oakland, California), with her partner Berk and their two cats. Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Greetings 00:43 – Special Guest: Jess Semaan 00:56 – Reflecting on Recent Screenings 02:12 – Jess Semaan's Background and Work 03:03 – Poetry Reading: Let Gaza In 06:26 – Technical Difficulties and Reflections 07:56 – Discussing Genocide and Dehumanization 09:05 – Personal Journey and Psychological Insights 11:11 – The Complexity of Beirut 12:59 – The Psychological Impact of Diaspora 15:51 – Research on Genocide and Human Cruelty 26:46 – Poetry Reading: Is it a Massacre if it's a Palestinian? 28:51 – Healing Workshop and Collective Trauma 30:13 – Understanding My Mother's Trauma 31:51 – The Collective and Individual Psyche 34:07 – Critical Thinking and Cultural Differences 36:04 – The Role of Bystanders in Conflict 43:24 – Grieving Amidst Ongoing Conflict 51:29 – Poetry of Resistance and Grief 57:31 – Closing Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

In this episode, Michael Reiley engages in an insightful discussion with Michael Joshin Thiele, a honeybee conservationist and president of Apis Arborea. The conversation explores the intersections of cultural, spiritual, and ecological dimensions of natural honeybee life. Michael Joshin Thiele is an apiculture consultant and founder and president of Apis Arborea, a nonprofit focused on honeybee conservation through deep ecology and ecosystem-based strategies. Originally from Germany, he studied philosophy and anthropology in Berlin before relocating to the San Francisco Bay Area for Zen Buddhist training. With over a decade of experience, Michael has presented his innovative beekeeping practices at institutions like Harvard and NYU, and co-founded one of the first honeybee refuges in the U.S. His work has been featured in major media and films like Rewilding Honey Bees and Queen of the Sun. https://www.apisarborea.org/ Topics: 00:00 – Introduction 01:13 – Michael Thiele's Journey with Bees 02:52 – The Spiritual Connection with Bees 03:35 – Zen Monastery Experience 04:52 – Bees and Dharma 08:37 – Language and Terminology 15:28 – Critique of Industrial Beekeeping 22:40 – Founding of Apis Arborea 27:45 – The Music of Bees 34:41 – Ethics and Apian Culture 48:11 – Apian Alchemy Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Welcome to our 100th episode of the Sounds of SAND podcast, marking two years since we launched on September 8, 2022. As SAND grows and evolves with the changing times, we aim to integrate—not abandon—our foundational themes of spiritual awakening, embodiment, consciousness, and scientific wonder, while also confronting pressing global challenges such as environmental collapse, indigenous resilience, war, and societal upheaval. In the past year, SAND released our latest film, Where Olive Trees Weep, which offers a powerful look into the lives and struggles of the Palestinian people under Israeli occupation. This film explores themes of loss, trauma, resilience, and the quest for justice. Alongside the film, we hosted Conversations on Palestine, a 23-part series of discussions diving deeper into the experiences and stories shared in the film. Throughout the year, the podcast shifted focus to complex conversations around intergenerational trauma, colonialism, and spiritual activism, with episodes hosted by SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo, and co-host and producer, Michael Reiley. Today, we revisit some of the most powerful moments from the past year, with a special focus on the voices that have shaped our "Where Olive Trees Weep" film and series. Thank you for being part of our journey over these two incredible years. Let’s continue to engage with the profound conversations that shape our collective understanding and growth. Topics: 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:03:01 – #86 SAND’s New Film on Spirituality in the Face of Injustice: Zaya & Maurizio Benazzo 00:09:31 – #92 Gaza & the Bodhisattva Path: Dr. Gabor Maté & Tara Brach 00:18:55 – #60 Spiritual Warriors: Lama Rod Owens 00:24:00 – #91 Decolonizing Healthcare: Dr. Rupa Marya 00:31:14 – #84 Grieving in Community: Mirabai Starr & Mona Haydar 00:43:10 – #94 One Human Family: Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, Rev. Deborah Lee, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Pir Zia Inayat Khan 01:00:46 – #75 Love-With-Justice: Omid Safi 01:17:42 – #89 Arab Jewish Mysticism: Hadar Cohen 01:27:48 – #58 On Extinction & Enchantment: Alixa Garcia 01:36:12 – #93 Feminine Resistance in Palestine: Ashira Darwish & V Links: Watch Where Olive Trees Weep Purchase the and the full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings   Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

Dr. Vimalasara (Valerie) Mason-John M.A. (Hon.Doc), is a founding facilitator of Compassionate Inquiry, and is the author of 10 books, including the award winning book, “Eight Step Recovery: Using The Buddha’s Teachings to Overcome Addiction” and “Detox Your Heart: Meditations for Emotional Trauma”. There are 8 Step Recovery meetings held in several continents. And they are co-founder of the training program, Mindfulness Based Addiction Recovery (MBAR), which is delivered in both English and Spanish. They work as a public speaker in the field of Mindfulness for Addiction and Trauma. They work online and in person between Canada, USA, UK and Spain. Their new book is “First Aid Kit for the Mind: Breaking the Cycle of Habitual Behaviors” Links "First Aid Kit for the Mind" Guided meditations to go with the book Author page Vimalasara’s website Topics 00:00 – Introduction to Dr. Mason-John 02:25 – Discussing the Essence of Addiction 07:15 – Exploring the Eight Step Recovery 12:14 – Intersection of Addiction and Trauma 23:38 – Managing Triggers and Breaking the Cycle 28:58 – Recognizing Triggers in Meditation 29:20 – The Importance of Breathing and Transitions 29:55 – Meditation Habits and Overcoming Resistance 30:25 – Buddhism, Karma, and Addiction 31:11 – The Concept of Rebirth in Buddhism 32:19 – The Impact of Karma and Actions 35:48 – Self-Compassion and Inner Healing 36:41 – The Four Questions for Healing 38:43 – Practices for Self-Love and Acceptance 44:54 – Upcoming Projects and Retreats 48:21 – Guided RUST Meditation Practice 55:39 – Closing Thoughts and Gratitude Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.