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To mark 15 years since a layoff turned into JonLoomer.com, Jon sets aside the usual solo format for a rare interview with longtime teammate Luke Elliott. It's a blast from the past, but really a conversation about change: how Jon went from the complicated-targeting guy to preaching simplicity, why the uncomfortable 2022 pivot to video saved the business, and how he's found a place for AI without letting it replace the human work.
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