Ep192: Wings of Change: The Transition From USAF Reaper to Cargo Pilot with Jonathan Songer

In this episode, we’ll dive into the true mindset needed to achieve your aviation dreams, drawing parallels between the persistence of daily training and the journey to becoming a top pilot. Are you ready to push beyond your limits and make your dream a reality? Tune in to find out how.   WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE Why choosing the harder path can set you apart in a competitive hiring environment How making disciplined decisions daily can lead to greater career satisfaction The surprising ways a willingness to sacrifice comfort can accelerate your career Key strategies for staying resilient when progress feels slow or invisible How dedication and persistence can overcome limitations in talent or experience     CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!     SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

Navy pilot Chris Robare and his aviation professional wife, Whitney, share their insights on navigating the complex transition from military to civilian aviation. From budget planning on a single income to juggling family responsibilities, we’ll explore the unique challenges and rewards of starting anew. Discover how they’re building a strong foundation through teamwork, adaptability, and forward-thinking strategies. Tune in for practical tips and inspiration on making your own successful career transition!   WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE Steps to prepare for civilian airline interviews and adapt to a new professional environment The importance of a strong support network in navigating the uncertainties of a new career Insights into maintaining a healthy family dynamic while managing the demands of commuting, training, and transitioning to a new job Expert advice on financial planning and budgeting during periods of career instability How mentors and industry connections helped shape his career path, providing guidance during the transition phase   RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED RTAG EveryDollar     ABOUT CHRIS AND WHITNEY ROBARE Chris is a seasoned Naval Aviator with over 19 years of experience in the United States Navy. He earned his commission in 2014 and received my "Wings of Gold," becoming a proficient Pilot in Command of the P-8A Poseidon. Proud to have over 1100 hours of incident/mishap-free flight hours, demonstrating exceptional proficiency and attention to detail. He is committed to serving his country and utilizing his skills to maintain global security and stability. Whitney is an experienced Operations + Program Management Professional with a demonstrated history of working in the Aviation & Project Management Industries. Her strongest operational skill sets are in Operations Management, Emergency Management, Safety Management Systems, Aviation Security, Airfield Inspections, and Terminal Inspections.   CONNECT WITH CHRIS AND WHITNEY LinkedIn: Christopher Robare | Whitney Robare, MBA, CM    CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!     SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

When the unexpected hits mid-flight, preparation becomes everything. In this episode, we’ll dive into why understanding your aircraft and mastering emergency procedures is essential for staying calm and in control under pressure. From building trust with your equipment to knowing you’re ready for any challenge, discover how preparation transforms potential crises into just another step toward a safe landing. Tune in to gain the insights that every pilot needs to navigate with precision and ease!   WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE How to build a bond with your aircraft for smoother, safer flights The psychology behind staying calm and making sharp decisions under pressure Why mastering emergency procedures transforms potential crises into just another challenge How preparation lowers your heart rate and keeps you focused when it counts Reasons understanding your aircraft’s systems can be the key to managing in-flight surprises   CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!     SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

As the pilot shortage landscape continues to shift, Noah Smith offers insights into the strategies he and his fellow flight instructors are employing to remain competitive. From exploring opportunities with European carriers to leveraging cadet programs, he discusses the creative ways aspiring pilots are navigating the changing job market. Tune in to gain a better understanding of the adaptability required to succeed in this dynamic industry.     WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE Strategies to improve one's competitiveness in the aviation industry Benefits of networking with seasoned pilot mentors  The role of cadet programs in professional advancement Practical advice on managing flight school debt The excitement and stress of flying for a living      RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED Skyborne Airline Academy Propel Pilot Career Path Program | Delta Air Lines Endeavor Air  Airline Transport Pilot Certification Training Program  ABOUT NOAH SMITH Noah is an aspiring airline pilot transitioning from a successful career in politics and higher education to pursue his lifelong passion for aviation. Recently accepted into the Delta Air Lines Propel Flight Academy through Skyborne Airline Academy in Vero Beach, Florida, Noah is on a defined path toward joining Delta Air Lines as a pilot. Noah’s prior roles as a Presidential Intern, former Vice-Chairman of the Campbell County School Board, past Treasurer of Beta Upsilon Chi, and Vice President of Public Relations for the Interfraternity Council showcase his dedication to leadership and community advocacy. His professional experience with Campbell County Public Schools and the University of Tennessee System has equipped him with robust skills in business management, logistics, fiscal management, and customer service, reinforcing his commitment to excellence in every endeavor. An Eagle Scout and accomplished student leader at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Noah is recognized for his commitment to positive societal impact, having gained valuable expertise in budgeting, logistics, and managerial duties through his various leadership roles.     CONNECT WITH NOAH LinkedIn: Noah Smith     CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!     SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

Get an inside look at the RTAG Convention, where pilots and aviation enthusiasts unite for career-changing connections and veteran support. We’ll share behind-the-scenes insights, from crafting standout resumes to tapping into scholarships and building lifelong industry relationships. Whether you’re just starting or aiming higher, these tips will give you a winning edge!   WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE Why small resume tweaks can significantly impact your job prospects How networking at aviation events can open doors you never imagined Top tip for creating a resume that stands out to hiring managers Reasons even low-time pilots should attend industry events How community support at conventions empowers career growth in aviation RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED RTAG Women in Aviation International Professional Asian Pilots Association Latino Pilots Association     CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!   SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

Step into the cockpit with Randall Brooks as we explore the life-saving techniques of advanced pilot training, including upset recovery and the critical role of aerobatics. This episode delves into how specialized training combats the leading cause of aviation fatalities: loss of control incidents. Benefit from Randall's vast experience in aerobatic flight and learn how these essential practices prepare airline pilots for the most unexpected situations.     WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE Why upset recovery training is crucial in aviation How practicing crosswind and short-field landings sharpens pilots’ manual skills Expert ways of handling aircraft in unusual attitudes and stall scenarios The critical role of simulator and real aircraft training in building a pilot’s response  Lessons from APS’s collaboration with major airlines      RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED United Aviate     ABOUT RANDALL BROOKS Randall "Random" Brooks, Executive VP of Flight Operations at Aviation Performance Solutions (APS), brings over 25 years of flight operations and training expertise. He specializes in Upset Prevention and Recovery Training (UPRT). He has held multiple roles in aviation safety, including president of the UPRT Association and a leader in international aviation training analysis. Randall, a Master CFI–Aerobatic with 14,000 flight hours across 100+ aircraft, has performed 500+ airshow displays and led aerobatic teams, notably with the Red Baron Squadron. He holds an Aerospace Engineering degree from the University of Colorado and has earned the NBAA Dr. Tony Kern Professionalism Award for his dedication to aviation safety.     CONNECT WITH RANDALL Website: Aviation Performance Solutions     CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!     SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

Achieving success in aviation requires more than just skill; it takes the courage to ask for more and the determination to push beyond the ordinary. Grit, hustle, and embracing the hard work that others avoid are what set you apart. If you're ready to break barriers, rise above the rest, and make 2025 the year you conquer your goals, this episode is for you!   WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE How taking risks early in your career can open doors to unexpected opportunities What are the key habits that make pilots successful? Proven advice to keep achieving major breakthroughs in your career How taking one bold step today can shift your entire career trajectory Ways embracing adversity can help you stand out in a competitive industry RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED We Are One Composites     CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!     SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

What happens when an airline pilot, air racer, and social media powerhouse collide? Meet Tommy Suell, a man whose passion for flight takes him from the cockpit of United Airlines planes to the thrill of the Reno Air Races. In this episode, he opens up about how his aviation journey began, his family's deep ties to flying, and the rush of low-altitude air racing. Tune in and catch all the action!   WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE How Tommy Suell transformed from a self-described shy kid to a social media sensation, using his passion for aviation to build an Instagram following of tens of thousands. Explore how obtaining a seaplane rating has unlocked new possibilities for Tommy, allowing him to land on beaches and fly over water, adding a whole new dimension to his aviation pursuits. How homeschooling his four daughters has created the flexibility for spontaneous international travel, hands-on learning, and a lifestyle of freedom that blends adventure with education. How Tommy transformed his flying passion into a thriving social media presence, inspiring thousands with his adventurous aviation posts. Inside look at the intense world of air racing, from pylon schools to racing at 50 feet off the ground.     RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED Pylon Racing Seminar at the National Championship Air Races      ABOUT TOMMY SEULL Tommy is a passionate aviator and commercial airline pilot who showcases his love for aviation through his popular Instagram account, @planejunkies. Growing up in a military family, Tommy was immersed in the world of flight from an early age, and he now shares his thrilling experiences in aerobatics, air racing, and seaplane flying. With a deep-rooted commitment to aviation, he has cultivated a dynamic social media presence that inspires fellow pilots and aviation enthusiasts. Beyond the cockpit, Tommy involves his family in his flying adventures, creating unforgettable moments that reflect his lifelong passion for the skies.     CONNECT WITH TOMMY Instagram: @planejunkies     CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!   SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

What can a family argument teach you about leadership? In this episode, we’ll uncover surprising lessons from a simple disagreement that will transform how you handle challenges. Discover how empathy, humility, and clear communication can elevate your leadership and strengthen your connections. Tune in and start applying these powerful insights today!     WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE How to apply humility and empathy when managing passenger delays and frustrations The importance of communication and being present in both professional and personal situations How to build trust and connection with passengers or loved ones through authentic apologies Insights on emotional responsibility, whether in aviation or family life The power of leadership through emotional awareness and humility CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!   SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.  

Ever wondered what it’s like to go from piloting Predator drones in the Air Force to flying cargo under the stars? Jonathan Songer shares an epic journey of resilience, high-stakes decisions, and surprising lessons learned from life in the sky. From unconventional career moves to his unique take on mentorship, this conversation will change how you view the aviation world. Tune in and get ready to see flying from a whole new perspective!     WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE Strategies for navigating challenging work schedules as a pilot Life adjustments to make your dream of flying a reality Unique challenges of flying in non-radar airspace and the adrenaline rush of low-level cargo runs What it’s like to fly just above the ground with complex maneuvers in tight airspaces How Jonathan transitioned from Air Force drones to a 737 cockpit     RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED The Citadel JetBlue OBAP Ace Academy Delta Professional SkyWest Airlines Envoy Air     ABOUT JONATHAN SONGER Jonathan is a Boeing 737 First Officer with Kalitta Charters II, a Part 121 Supplemental Airline Carrier. With over 1,600 hours in crewed aircraft and 4,000 hours in remotely piloted aircraft, Jonathan is an expert in flight safety, aviation decision-making, and crew resource management. He previously served as a subject matter expert in unmanned systems and as the Senior Manager for Advanced Air Mobility with MassDOT Aeronautics and MassAutonomy. Jonathan’s experience in the defense industry includes working with medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aircraft as an instructor, evaluator/check airman, and lead pilot. He also served in the United States Air Force as an Air Mobility pilot on the KC-135 Stratotanker and as a Squadron Commander and Director of Operations for MQ-1 and MQ-9 remotely piloted aircraft. During his tenure in the USAF, he was Chief of Unmanned Intelligence Systems at US Air Forces Central Command. Jonathan holds an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certificate and an FAA Part 107 Remote Pilot Certificate. He earned a B.S. in Physics from The Citadel and an M.S. in Military Operations from Air University.     CONNECT WITH JONATHAN LinkedIn: Jonathan Songer     CONNECT WITH US Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!   If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at [email protected], and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!   SPONSOR Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US. If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®. Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.