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HR Truths and the Third Path to Promotion: A Dialogue with Ashley Paré and Jamie Lee

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In this episode, I sat down with leadership coach and former HR leader Ashley Paré to pull back the curtain on the "risky conversation" that cost her a corporate role but won her ultimate freedom and self-respect. We dive into how that experience became the catalyst for her mission: helping women navigate the complex systems of corporate power to advocate for their worth—without the burnout.

We discussed:

  • [09:20] The "Third Path" to Power: How to move beyond the binary of staying silent or "burning it all down" by managing your nervous system and creating safety from within.
  • [10:48] The FEAR-less Framework: Ashley’s 4-step process to Feel, Evaluate, Accept, and Respond so you can take inspired action from the driver’s seat of your career.
  • [14:40] Navigating the "Manager vs. HR" Dynamic: What to do when a boss claims their hands are tied by HR, and how to use that as a catalyst to seek direct information and advocacy.
  • [16:00] Navigating Pay Transparency: How to use salary bands and job descriptions to your advantage when preparing for an annual review.
  • [29:00] Redefining Success: Why high-achieving women are opting out of broken systems to build work lives that actually honor their freedom and ambition.

Featured: 

  • Connect with Ashley on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleypare/
  • Learn more about Ashley's Leadership Program here: https://ashleypare.com/
  • Connect with Jamie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leejieunjamie/
  • Learn more about Jamie's Bespoke Coaching Program here: https://www.jamieleecoach.com/apply

    About Ashley:
    Ashley Paré is a Leadership Coach, Speaker, and the CEO & Founder of Own Your Worth® who believes you are more than enough. Her mission is to activate your highest potential and deactivate your deepest fear. She helps clients connect to their inner confidence and courage to take bold action and make big asks.

    About Jamie, the host of Risky Conversations podcast: 
    Jamie Lee is an executive coach for smart women who don't like office politics. Jamie helps them get promoted and better paid without throwing anyone under the bus. She blends practical neuroscience with no-nonsense communication frameworks to shift the brain's approach to self-advocacy. Her unique methodology empowers gutsy women to speak up for their professional value, turning workplace friction into a catalyst for personal agency and financial reward.

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