Refiloe Ramogase, A Life of Self-Disruption and Stewardship

Before he became one of the most respected voices shaping South Africa’s music ecosystem, Refiloe Ramogase was a boy in a Catholic school uniform learning discipline, structure and the emotional silence that often comes with it.His path moved through political science dreams, economic pressure, call centre shifts, artist management battles and industry boardrooms. Along the way, he learned that leadership is not defined by title or visibility, but by the willingness to disrupt yourself repeatedly and consciously.In this powerful episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Refiloe reflects on:How Catholic school discipline formed his worldview, ambition and emotional habits.The economic realities that pushed him from political dreams into the corporate world.The moment he stepped into the music industry and saw the structural gaps hurting artists.Why the industry needs better systems, policies and protection rather than more stars.The emotional weight of grief and how loss reshaped his identity, presence and priorities. How therapy helped him unlearn inherited patterns and build healthier ways of being. The transformative role of fatherhood and raising daughters with emotional intelligence.Why leadership rooted in self-disruption creates better teams, systems and legacies. Refiloe speaks with clarity, humour and emotional honesty, offering a rare look into the internal and external work required to lead in creative industries. His story is not about chasing power.It is about becoming the kind of person who can hold power responsibly.Whether you work in music, lead people, raise children or are navigating your own evolution, this episode will shift how you think about leadership, identity and the systems we build.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Refiloe on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkTree⁠, or get the latest from Refiloe Ramogase Productions by visiting LinkedIn | Instagram⁠Subscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kweku 'Taygo' Baffoe⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

Siphiwe Mhlambi’s story begins with rupture. Abandoned as a child, raised without answers, and left to assemble a sense of belonging from fragments, he discovered a camera at thirteen and found more than a hobby. He found a lifeline. A discipline. A language. And eventually, a world that would let him build himself, frame by frame.Today, Siphiwe stands as one of South Africa’s most respected documentary and jazz photographers, a quiet custodian of history whose images have travelled far beyond the stages and streets where they were born. His archive does more than capture musicians or moments. It preserves a culture, honours overlooked lives, and restores dignity to stories that might otherwise vanish.In this powerful episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Siphiwe reflects on:How childhood abandonment shaped his relationship with silence, searching and storytellingThe moment a camera became both structure and salvationWhy jazz is not just a genre but a philosophy that shaped his way of seeingHis role as an archivist of South African culture and why documentation is a form of justiceThe mentors, communities and chosen family who gave him rootsThe emotional labour of photographing other people’s truths while confronting his ownSiphiwe speaks with humility, precision and emotional clarity, offering a rare look into a life shaped by creative resilience. His reflections remind us that healing is slow work, artistry takes courage, and legacy is built through consistent, deliberate witnessing.Whether you know his photographs or meet him here for the first time, this episode reveals the human story behind the lens: a boy becoming a man, a seeker becoming an archivist,and an artist learning to belong.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Siphiwe on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ , or visit ⁠siphiwemhlambi.com⁠Subscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Kweku 'Taygo' Baffoe⁠⁠⁠⁠Produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

From natural hair blogging before it was a movement to podcasting long before it was mainstream, Ntsiki Mkhize has spent her entire life arriving in spaces early.Today she is a social entrepreneur, author, speaker, mentor, and founder of Mentor, a global mentorship community for women navigating entrepreneurship, leadership, and social impact. But her story did not begin in boardrooms or ecosystems. It started at a family table where she was encouraged to question everything, design her own path and live “on purpose, on purpose.”In this episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Ntsiki opens up about:Growing up with young parents who created room for her voice, her ideas and her tenacityWhy she entered Miss South Africa as a teenager and later returned with an afro that challenged the norms of beauty and representationWhat it means to be “ahead of the curve” and why timing, not talent, often determines whether an idea succeeds The truth about burnout, reinvention, and rebuilding a mentorship ecosystem from scratch during COVIDHow her global mentorship platform, book, magazine and corporate work converge into a deeper purpose centred on women, youth, entrepreneurship and inclusionThe role mentors have played in her evolution and how individuals and organisations can structure mentorship that actually transforms livesWhy she is now being invited into tech, finance and policy spaces and what excites her about becoming a woman shaping Africa’s futureThe healing and grounding she found through swimming and free-diving after a traumatic experienceWhether she is building communities, writing stories, designing ecosystems or diving ten metres underwater to relearn trust in her body, Ntsiki shows that purpose is not an accident. It is a deliberate act. A daily alignment. A way of being.This conversation is a blueprint for anyone trying to navigate purpose, timing, ambition and reinvention.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Ntsiki on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ , or visit ntsikim.co.zaSubscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by ⁠⁠⁠Kweku 'Taygo' Baffoe⁠⁠⁠Produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

Annicia Manyaapelo has spent her life shaping spaces where African creativity is seen, protected, and valued. As the founder of NichLuxe and creator of Women Who Collect, she is rewriting the rules of access, showing that art is not a gated world but a living archive of who we are and who we dare to become.In this expansive episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Annicia reflects on: How childhood textures, stories, and rituals shaped her identity as a makerWhy the traditional art world often feels coded and inaccessible, and how she chooses to redesign the room instead of asking for entryThe birth of Women Who Collect and why African women are becoming the custodians of tomorrow’s cultural memoryWhat African luxury really means when it is defined by us, and rooted in depth, time, craft, and careThe emotional labour of supporting artists and why care is a creative technologyHow collecting becomes a form of storytelling, preservation, and future building Annicia speaks with clarity, warmth, and intention about identity, legacy, and the responsibility we carry when we choose what to honour. This is a conversation for anyone dreaming about art, access, ownership, and the systems African women are quietly reshaping across the world.Whether you know her as a strategist, curator, collector, or cultural thinker, this episode reveals the depth of a woman working to build futures where African creativity can thrive without apology.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Wandile on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠FacebookSubscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by ⁠⁠Kweku 'Taygo' Baffoe⁠⁠Produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

For more than three decades, Charl Blignaut has chronicled South Africa’s cultural heartbeat. As a journalist, editor, and critic, he has written the stories that have defined how we see ourselves, from underground movements to mainstream revolutions, from the birth of kwaito to the rise of amapiano, from the rise of representation to the reckoning of responsibility.In this deeply reflective conversation with Kojo Baffoe, Charl explores how identity, queerness, and conscience have shaped his craft and his sense of duty as a storyteller. He speaks candidly about growing up in a conservative farming community, finding refuge in writing, and becoming a voice for culture that refuses to be simplified.Listeners will hear Charl unpack:Why he believes journalism is an act of service, not performance.The relationship between technology, storytelling, and truth in a fast-changing world.How South African pop culture continues to emerge from the underground and challenge power.The tension between long-form storytelling and the short-form algorithm, and why both matter.His reflections on queerness as lens, ethics as compass, and complexity as resistance.What he’s learned about courage, craft, and care after years of covering art, politics, and power.Charl’s conversation is a masterclass in cultural consciousness; part history, part reflection, and part blueprint for anyone who still believes words can change the world.Whether you know him as the City Press arts editor, the journalist who championed South African film and visual art, or the critic who insists that culture is our real economy, this is a rare portrait of a man who has lived his truth through language.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Wandile on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | Facebook, or catch up on his writings at muckrack.com/charl-blignautSubscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by ⁠Kweku 'Taygo' Baffoe⁠Produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

From a quiet corner of Melville’s 27 Boxes, Sewela Langeni has built more than just a bookshop. Through Book Circle Capital, she has created a home for African stories and the people who love them; a space where conversation, curiosity, and connection meet between the shelves.In this intimate episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Sewela reflects on:The journey of turning Book Circle Capital into a cultural hub rooted in African literature.Writing her debut children’s book Making Friends With Feelings and why it focuses on helping boys express their emotions.The importance of representation in children’s stories and the lessons she’s learning as both parent and author.How she balances entrepreneurship, family life, and a full-time career while nurturing community.The realities of South Africa’s publishing landscape and why patience and authenticity matter more than pace and hype.Grounded, thoughtful, and full of quiet wisdom, this conversation explores what it means to build something meaningful through words and how books can become bridges between generations.Whether you’re a parent, a teacher, a reader, or a dreamer trying to start your own creative venture, Sewela Langeni’s story offers both comfort and courage.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Wandile on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit ⁠bookcapital.co.za⁠Subscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by ⁠Kweku 'Taygo' Baffoe⁠Produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania⁠

From the curated chaos of the digital age to the quiet rooms of self-reflection, Tshiamo Modisane has learned that the real work of becoming is not about being seen; it’s about being known.In this intimate and reflective episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Kojo Baffoe sits down with Tshiamo, a South African stylist, writer, and creative storyteller, to unpack the balance between visibility and authenticity. Known for her articulate voice across fashion, media, and social storytelling, Tshiamo has become a guiding presence for many navigating the tension between self-expression and self-preservation.She speaks with emotional clarity about what it means to grow publicly while protecting your peace privately, how to practise softness as strength, and why letting your work speak first remains the most radical act of self-trust in a performative world.Together, Kojo and Tshiamo explore:How to stay grounded when your identity becomes content.The difference between performing peace and living it.Why gentleness can be a creative superpower.How burnout taught her to rebuild from rest.The ongoing work of becoming whole—in public view.This conversation is not about perfection or performance; it’s about presence. Tshiamo reminds us that true influence has nothing to do with attention and everything to do with intention.Whether you know her from I Am Tshiamo or meet her here for the first time, this episode is an invitation to slow down, listen inward, and redefine what strength and visibility mean for you.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Wandile on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit tshiamomodisane.comSubscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by Kweku 'Taygo' BaffoeProduced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

From the streets of Soweto to the boardrooms of global creative collaboration, Wandile Zondo has walked, run, and cycled a long road toward sovereignty. As co-founder of Thesis Lifestyle, he’s spent two decades turning streetwear into a system; building not just a brand, but a movement that fuses fashion, community, sport, and social consciousness.In this powerful episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Wandile reflects on the journey that has shaped him as a creator, a father, and a builder of culture:How Thesis became a blueprint for township entrepreneurship and local pride.Why running, cycling, and the outdoors became metaphors for self-mastery and healing.The discipline it takes to move from hustle to structure, and the hard lessons behind building a sustainable business.His reflections on fatherhood, sobriety, and redefining manhood through presence and patience.Why he believes true freedom isn’t about escape, but about ownership; of your story, your systems, and your community.Zondo speaks with the same clarity and humility that has guided his work; grounded in Soweto, but globally fluent. He shows that sovereignty isn’t about solitude; it’s about community, continuity, and the courage to define yourself on your own terms.Whether you’ve followed Thesis Lifestyle since its early jam sessions or are meeting Wandile Zondo for the first time, this conversation is a masterclass in what it means to build something that outlives the hype.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Wandile on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by Kweku 'Taygo' BaffoeProduced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

From the township of Alexandra to the grandest stages in the world, Kitty Phetla has redefined what it means to be a South African ballerina. Trained under the legendary Martin Schönberg, and now a celebrated choreographer, educator, and creative collaborator, Phetla has built her life around the belief that discipline is grace made visible.In this milestone 100th episode of Listen To Your Footsteps,she sits down with Kojo Baffoe to reflect on the mental, physical, and spiritual architecture of her art. It’s a conversation about power disguised as poise, and the unseen work behind effortless beauty. Together, they explore:The moment a nine-year-old girl from Alexandra was “discovered” and how that encounter shaped her destiny.Why she believes mastery is born from respect, not passion.How pain, repetition, and stillness form the language of her movement.What it means to teach in a YouTube generation while remaining true to classical rigour.The creative alchemy behind her collaborations with jazz pianist Nduduzo Makhathini, where dance becomes spiritual improvisation.Why recognition, like her Wall of Fame star, still feels secondary to purpose. This is not a story about fame or success; it’s about becoming non-human in pursuit of mastery, where pain turns to rhythm, and the mind moves long before the body does. Whether you know Kitty Phetla from the stage, the studio, or the airwaves, this episode reveals the woman behind the grace: focused, disciplined, and forever in motion.Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Kitty Phetla on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by Kweku 'Taygo' BaffoeProduced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania

For over three decades, Pabi Moloi has been one of South Africa’s most trusted and recognisable voices. From her early days as a child performer to her years behind the microphone, she has grown up in the public eye, learning, unlearning, and finding her balance between light and loud. In this introspective episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Pabi opens up about what it truly means to be a lightworker in a media space that often rewards spectacle over substance. She reflects on leaving radio, rediscovering her imagination, and creating a new rhythm for her life, one rooted in mindfulness, motherhood, and meaning. Through humour, candour, and gentle wisdom, she explores:How to protect your energy and define your own authenticity.Why choosing silence can sometimes speak the loudest.What the transition from radio to podcasting has taught her about creative freedom.How to raise boys with empathy and strength in today’s South Africa.Why boundaries are a form of self-respect, not distance. This conversation is a reminder that power doesn’t always come from being seen or heard; it can also come from choosing presence, peace, and purpose. Whether you know Pabi Moloi from television, radio, or her new journey into podcasting, this episode invites you to meet her differently: as a woman stepping fully into her light, on her own terms. Listen now on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Afripods⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you get your podcasts.You can find the latest from Pabi Moloi on the following platforms:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠| ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WATCH | LISTEN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zebra Culture Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Recorded at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vodcast TV⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Music by Kweku 'Taygo' BaffoeProduced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ayob Vania