Sink or Swim

Now is the time when we find out to what degree and how we will swim rather than sink, as public health innovators and practitioners. In this episode, I talk to my former student Olivia Francis, who obtained her MPH in 2025. Like many of her peers, Olivia is navigating the turbulent waters of the political storm surrounding public health. She reflects on past public health challenges and how we overcame them. "How can we make this an opportunity," she asks, "rather than just a sad time that happened?" Last spring Olivia was recruited by Health in Her Hue, following founder Ashlee Wisdom's visit to my class. Health in Her Hue is a venture backed start-up working to build trust between Black women and their health care providers. We discuss the range of possibilities available to us in keeping public health and health equity alive under attack, using unconventional methods and imperfect allies.