Women: “Men need to talk about their feelings. NOT THOSE FEELINGS!” | HBR Talk 415

"Moral agency. What women, particularly feminists, seem to be running from like Indiana Jones ran from a fricking boulder." Brian and Alison continue through Rachel Wilson's debate on whether feminism has done more harm than good, as she lays out six pillars of propaganda and introduces a seventh, which she calls the she-conomy. Also: money denominated in debt, for more debt, using debt as collateral for more debt; how women who can't trust men can still trust the government somehow; the Thames tunnel, the Hoover Dam and the world wars as the same expectation of men; and the Redstockings Manifesto as the template for the whole feminist academic corpus. "They're not just reliant on men's labour. They're reliant on men's complicity. Because otherwise their entire identity would crumble." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"I've seen a billboard. It's lawyer maxing." Hannah Wallen hosts with Richard the Lionhearted, on a post by Shadowclaw about what happened to a generation of young men once women got picky about who they'd even spend time with — and the reply insisting it was all about sex. Also: why being picky in the eighties and nineties had a rationale; the difference between deserving something and being more likely to get it; and the reply that accused him of saying what he'd just explained he didn't mean. "Anything with the word maxing added to it — it's going to become a thing. Biscuit maxing." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"It's not normal that we have hours and hours of content analysing what triggers attraction in females." Brian talks to Bradley, co-host with Steven Baskerville of A Male Space, a YouTube channel on men's health, fitness, nutrition, fatherhood and loneliness. Also: his ranking of societies from socially enforced monogamy down to the rampant, unregulated polygamy of today; why he named the channel for something men no longer have; the veterinary steroids that were common in gyms in the early nineties, and the teenagers taking bodybuilding drugs now; and the exterminationist strain of feminism. "We don't have organised polygamy. What we have today is rampant, unregulated polygamy. If you had the formal kind, people would at least understand who the father of the children is. In this day and age there's no rhyme or reason to it at all." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"This isn't even a black pill anymore, folks. It's a pill of a colour that only a mantis shrimp can see. It's ultra-red slash infra-green pilled." Brian, Hannah Wallen and Dr Randomercam on the campaign to identify the holdout juror from the Clancy mistrial, and what anyone is meant to do with his name once they have it. Also: the statue question, and where the logic stops once it starts; what the transcriber wrote down in place of Patrick Clancy's screaming on the 911 call; the professor's estimate of 212 million killed by governments in the twentieth century; and the anniversary of the Kirk shooting. "If he had just had his attitude all by himself, with nobody agreeing with him much less obeying him, he'd have been a madman ranting in the street. He'd have sounded like a feminist. And there would have been no history there." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"Women are presenting us with this paradox that we won't have sex with you until a different woman has had sex with you. We won't approve of you until another woman has approved of you. So you go — what do I do then?" Hannah Wallen hosts Talk 414 on a post arguing men need to be more social, and the reaction when they are. Also: why "women don't owe you sex" is not an answer to men being shut out of social contact entirely; Alcoholics Anonymous and the concept of loving detachment; and what the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is shielded from. "Women complain that their preferred partners are narcissists. Their preferred partners are the top twenty percent of men. So obviously they are." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"She was a really great mother, and then she was a bad mother when she killed her kids, but then she went back to being a great mother again after that." Brian and Alison talk about the hunt for the holdout juror's identity, and a commentator who reframed the case as being about the women of colour serving time for the same thing. Also: the superchat pointing out that if hormones acquit Lindsay Clancy there are rapists who qualify too; why a juror weighing one piece of evidence against another was treated as proof he was being duplicitous; and the offer the holdout made that shows he was willing to step aside to keep his conscience. "She still believes Lindsay Clancy is guilty. She just admitted it. What happened in that jury chamber to make this woman not vote her conscience? That's the sisterhood in action." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"But he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children." "By killing her children, she declared herself innocent." "If I had been on that jury, I would have declared the electric chair for Lindsay Clancy and my fellow jurors." Brian and Alison work through NBC Boston's exclusive interview with three of the nine female jurors from the Lindsay Clancy mistrial, and count out five separate perversions of justice in what the jurors volunteer about themselves. Also: the juror who rated the defense attorney arrogant, entertaining and compassionate all at once, and his pitch for Trump to pardon a state conviction. Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"You took the mask off. Now you're mad that men saw and rejected what you showed them. And you can't put the hangover back in the beer bottle." Brian, Hannah Wallen and Dr Randomercam on the mistrial in the Lindsey Clancy case, and a defence attorney who narrowed the holdout juror down to one of three people on air. Also: Gloria Steinem's death at 92 — comparing reactions a year to the day after Charlie Kirk was shot. Corey Walsh, charged with the murder of her two-year-old son, who told police he was the devil. And Shannon Galligan, who hit her ex with a saucepan, strangled him, stabbed him in the arm and forced him out a window with a fractured vertebra — then got a suspended sentence, her defence citing ADHD. "This was rage. This wasn't 'I can't keep track of what's going on, and oh gosh, how did that happen.' This was seething rage and deliberate violence — and she expects to get away with it because, look, I have ADHD, aren't I cute?" "His shoulder brushed hers as he fled the room she was throwing heavy objects in. He got eighteen months. The judge's view was that he should have been brave enough to go out the second-storey window instead." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"That's not toughness. That's just numbness with a flag pin." Brian and Alison read a listicle explaining why conservative men are undatable, and bad in bed, and work through the reasons one at a time. Also: the writer's other blog, and what she's doing around other people's teenagers; why virtue signalling about trans people, immigrants and abortions she'll never need is her way of announcing where she sits; and the point at which the criteria foreclose on every man alive, not just conservative ones. "She's not just talking about conservative men being bad in bed. Any man who can't cerebro his way through her crime minefield is bad in bed. Which leaves her lesbians." "She only exists in relation to everyone else. That's what she's protecting. So if you can't respect the signalling, you don't respect her — because she is literally her position in the web, and nothing else." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online

"The encouragement of women to be their worst selves — that's the phrase that always comes back to me. It's like they just want women to be awful. And a lot of women, surprise, have in them the capacity to be awful." Brian and Alison talk to Professor Janice Fiamengo about her new book, The Goddess That Failed, on the founding documents of the feminist movement and what they actually say. Also: the Seneca Falls declaration, signed by men, asserting that man's object was absolute tyranny over woman; the Suzanna Danuta Walters essay instructing men how to be despised slightly less; the Redstockings manifesto and where emotional labour came from; and why women who defend a mother who killed her children can't be angry at the perpetrator. "Some of us were alive in 1974. I shopped with my mother, who had a whole bunch of credit cards." Support the show: feedthebadger.com/support Send us a message: feedthebadger.com/justthetip Join the community: badgernation.online