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#7 - Jonathan Marley: Facets of Fragility: Security, Development, and Peacebuilding

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Jonathan Marley is a Policy Analyst in Crises and Fragility at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), where he leads the States of Fragility team and their work. Jonathan is a former soldier and academic - he served in the Irish military, was deployed as a peacekeeper, and taught military officers at the Irish Defense Forces Military College. We kick off this episode talking about Jonathan’s career in the military, his life as a peacekeeper in Kosovo at a time of experimentation around ideas in civil-military cooperation, and how he and his fellow soldiers got to try them out in real time. Jonathan then shares with us what it’s like to be a peacekeeper in the Balkans and, spoiler alert, no two days were the same. However, there were some fundamental constants: building relationships with people and building trust. Then the conversation moves on to the differences between peacekeeping, peacebuilding, and development. Jonathan shares his observations about the missing operational middle in development planning, and what can be learned from how the military makes and implements its plans. We also touched on how the war in Ukraine making your morning coffee more expensive is an example of the need for systems thinking and multidimensional analysis. The conversation also explores what should development professionals know about diplomacy, whether we can think about a fragility continuum, and what’s going on with the multiple understandings of fragility among the humanitarian-development-peace actors. And there’s still more! Jonathan’s life experience allowed for a conversation rich in topics and deep in insights. Listen to the episode to hear Jonathan share many more insights into fragility and resilience. The episode was recorded on March 18th, 2022.

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