Luca Cian: How Humans Interact With AI & What That Means for Business Strategy

Too many SEOs are guessing (or worse spreading known misinformation for LinkedIn clout) about what actually helps being cited in LLMs like ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, Gemini etc.Let's stop doing that - I wanted to talk to Nils Reimers, the inventor of "Sentence BERT" and an expert in LLMs, natural language processing and more to sort out truth from fiction.LOTS covered in this episode!Nils Bio (via Claude)Nils Reimers is the inventor of Sentence BERT, the research breakthrough that made semantic search scalable and now underpins how companies like Google, Netflix, and OpenAI understand and retrieve information. He currently works at Cohere, where he focuses on building large language models for enterprise use cases, including custom multilingual models for global companies like Fujitsu and LG.Covered this episode! Chapters auto generated by Riverside:00:00 The State of SEO in the Age of LLMs12:08 Understanding BERT and Sentence BERT21:41 SEO Strategies for the Future28:42 Cohere and Multilingual Embeddings34:14 Re-Rank Models and Their Impact35:31 Balancing Speed and Quality in SEO36:01 Optimizing Content for LLMs39:32 Engagement vs. Directness in Content40:30 The Evolution of SEO Practices43:32 The Challenge of AI-Generated Content46:51 The Role of Schema and Structured Data48:37 Understanding LLMs.txt and Its Relevance50:14 The Problem of Training Data Quality52:40 The Potential of Video and Audio Sources55:17 Strategic Shifts for Businesses in the AI Era01:00:03 The Future of Jobs in an AI-Driven World01:05:36 AI Tools and Their Impact on Work

Luca Cian is AI Strategy & Psychology Expert. He is a Full Professor at the Darden School of Business, and an Advisor to the U.S. DHS on AI Strategy.His speciality is decoding how humans interact with AI and what that means for business strategy. Luca's findings on AI trust and consumer psychology have been featured in The New York Times, USA Today, PBS, The Washington Post, NPR, and Harvard Business Review.Subscribe to 'Experts' anywhere by searching 'Experts on the Wire' (and exciting news, we'll be on YouTube soon! You can find the channel for now, and as soon as YouTube let's me the podcast will be available there).Episode Chapters (autogenerated with Riverside)00:00 The Rise of AI and Human Interaction05:54 Defining AI: Perceptions and Misconceptions11:53 Trusting AI: Psychological Insights and Barriers17:48 Consumer Trust: Factors Influencing AI Acceptance23:55 A-B Testing and Research Methodologies in AI29:46 Future of AI: Personalities and Business Implications36:09 Exploring AI in Consumer Research36:53 Understanding the Word of Machine Effect40:54 Trusting AI: Utilitarian vs. Hedonic Choices42:52 AI in Content Creation: Balancing Transparency and Trust48:54 Algorithmic Transference: The Impact of AI Failures51:03 SEO Strategies in the Age of AI51:58 The Future of Content: Human vs. AI Optimization57:40 Value-Driven Brands in an AI World01:00:52 The Future of Jobs in an AI-Driven Economy01:04:55 Experiential Marketing: The Human Connection01:09:47 AI Tools and Their Impact on Daily Life

We're back! With video! This is a short re-intro from Dan on the exact 10 year anniversary of the original launch of Experts on the Wire. In this short episode I talk about why the re-boot and what to expect.Be sure to subscribe, first new episode is tomorrow March 16th, 2026! We are on Spotify, Apple, and all podcast players - and will be on YouTube very soon! (As soon I can find my login to an account I must have created years ago and never used 🤔)Chapters (auto generated by Riverside):0:00 - Introduction: Experts on the Wire is back with new twists, including video integration.0:29 - Podcast History: Reflecting on the podcast's launch 10 years ago and the decision to reboot.0:59 - Technical Challenges: Discussing the technical difficulties faced in the past.1:51 - Modernizing the Process: How AI and new platforms have streamlined podcast production.2:13 - Burnout and SEO: Personal and industry-related reasons for the podcast's hiatus.3:22 - SEO's Identity Crisis: Exploring the evolving identity of SEO in the age of AI.4:38 - Expanding Guest List: Plans to include guests beyond the SEO bubble, focusing on AI experts.5:56 - Broader Conversations: Aiming to learn from diverse professionals and real-world perspectives.6:26 - Creative Experiments: Introducing creative elements and real-world insights into the podcast.7:24 - Guest Selection: Criteria for selecting guests and the importance of expert insights.8:03 - Podcast Aspirations: Vision for growth and revitalization, inspired by a love for restoration.9:30 - Subscription and Accessibility: How to follow the podcast on various platforms.

Sarah Pokorná, is Digital Marketing Director at Dragon Metrics. She holds degrees in both Psychology and Digital Marketing and has been doing SEO, Marketing and Psychomarketing in corporate roles for 12 years.As SEOs, I think we spend FAR too much time obsessing over Google ‘Ranking Factors’ (most recently the API leaks) and NOT enough time trying to actually understand and empathize with searchers – the people we are supposedly making content for and trying to win over in the SERPs. In this conversation, Sarah brings her unique perspective drawing from her background in psychology to help unpack some of the psychological perspectives searchers have – particularly cognitive biases.If you want to gain a deeper understanding and get into the minds of the people who search Google – the same people who traffic websites and ultimately drive revenue and business goals for sites and businesses – this episode is definitely worth a listen!Topics In This Episode:Cognitive Biases in SearchWhy were AI Overviews such a miss for Google?The importance of fact-checking for SEO contentSearch and Social Impacts on the Nervous SystemHow did biases impact how the SEO world reacted to Google’s API Leaks?Biases like Confirmation Bias in SEO Case StudiesWhy do overconfident people actually believe they are good at SEO?Should Google play a role in preventing misinformation?What else can we as SEOs do to understand searchers better?And much more – listen now!Related Episodes You Might Like127: Image Optimization, Algorithmic Biases, ADHD & SEO w/Myriam Jessier097: Improve Your SEO With Keyword Psychographics w/Marty WeintraubArticles, Resources, and Linkshttps://www.dragonmetrics.com/confirmation-bias/https://www.sarahpresch.com/post/cognitive-biases-in-seoNeurodivergents in SEOGoogle API Leak: Sparktoro’s initial post about itThe Cyber Effect (book about misinformation online)GBH’s Video mentioned re: the Title Update and example of FramingGiulia PanozzoMyriam JessierPetra Kis-HerczeghFind Sarah OnlineSarah on LinkedInSarah on TwitterSarah’s WebsiteThe post 131: Bias in SEO, Overconfident SEO Case Studies, Google’s SERP Struggles w/Sarah Pokorná appeared first on Evolving SEO.

Will Critchlow is the CEO of SearchPilot, an SEO A/B testing company. I invited Will back to Experts on the Wire to discuss the Future of SEO. I feel like things have felt very turbulent and uncertain in the SEO world lately (more than usual!) – because of things like AI/Chat-GPT, changes in how the community engages online, GA4, massive SERP changes from Google, and changes in the economy and world at large post-covid.I’ve always known Will for having a great perspective on the future of our industry so I wanted to get his take on what the future of SEO holds. Is THIS finally the inflection moment where ‘SEO is dead’? How does he see the next 5-10 years playing out? If it’s not dying, how will it look different? What should SEOs and businesses be doing to future-proof their marketing? How do we all navigate these big changes?Topics In This Episode Include:How is AI affecting informational queries?What the ancient steel and iron industry has to do with contentIs it worth still investing in content marketing?How is the eCommerce SEO space changing? Is eCommerce and spending online down or is it growing?Challenges for new people entering the SEO spaceAnd lots more…Listen Now!Related Episodes You Might LikeSurviving SEO in an AI World w/Sara TaherSEO Ranking Factors, A/B Testing and the Evolution of SEO w/Will CritchlowTools MentionedChat GPTGeminiSearchPilotContent Aced (50% off – affiliate link)Articles, Resources, and Links Mentionedhttps://www.perplexity.ai/Where Web Users Spend Their Time vs Where Traffic Referrals Originate – SparktoroGoogle Anti-Trust Trial DocumentsWomen in Tech SEOFind Will OnlineWill on LinkedInWill on TwitterThe post 130: The Future of SEO – Optimism In Uncertain Times w/Will Critchlow appeared first on Evolving SEO.

Kristine Schachinger is an SEO Consultant, specializing in Technical SEO, SEO Website Audits, Growth Strategies, Google Penalty Recovery, Accessibility, Usability, LLMs, & Social Media. She has been an SEO for over 15 years and helped sites like Instacart, Vice, Zappos, usa.gov and many more.Topics In This Episode Include:Why AI vs Human Content Comparison Studies are SillyHow AI has Changed SEOHow Does Google Detect “AI Content”?Deep Dive Into The Helpful Content UpdateGoogle’s Search Generative ExperienceWhy Core Web Vitals Is NOT a Ranking Factor NowE.A.T.T. Myths and Why It’s Not a Ranking Factor, Ranking Signal or Ranking SystemHow To Learn About SEO From “The Source”How To Find and Hire The Right SEO (And how to attract the right clients if you are an SEO)Kristine’s Approach to Providing SEO ConsultingListen Now!Related Episodes You Might LikeSurviving SEO in an AI World with Sara Taher“The Email” (A Solo Episode from 2017 about Google Phantom Update)Tools MentionedMidjourneySitebulbContent Aced (50% off – affiliate link)More being added soon!Articles, Resources, and Links MentionedKristine’s Post About AI vs Human ContentDetecting AI Content with Watermarking (NY Times)Google’s Developer Guide to Ranking SystemsKristine’s Post About “EEAT” on LinkedInMy article from 2020 about EAT and Core UpdatesMore Being Added Soon!Find Kristine OnlineKristine on LinkedIn The post 129: Helpful Content Update Recovery and More w/Kristine Schachinger appeared first on Evolving SEO.

Join me for 5 mins with some updates about Experts on the Wire (and new episode announcements!)Listen Now!Check out Content Aced – a high-powered research assistant tool that helps you find topical gaps in your content: https://www.evolvingseo.com/contentaced for 50% off.The post Updates About This Podcast! appeared first on Evolving SEO.

 If you’re trying to keep up with AI in the SEO world, while remaining strategic and not just following a checklist, this episode is for you!My guest today is Sara Taher who has been an SEO consultant since 2014.Topics In This Episode Include:How to incorporate AI in your SEO workflow (tons of great tools mentioned!)The Risk of AI to Content Creators The importance of TikTok SEO, Video Indexing, and having Video StrategyCreate YouTube descriptions with AIA little something for you tech SEO fans – a couple of interesting ways to audit a site f or JS and SEOAnd lots more! Listen Now!  Related Episodes You Might LikeImage Optimization and Algorithmic Biases w/Myriam Jessier Rendering, Crawl Budget and JavaScript SEO w/Martin SplittTools MentionedChatGPTChatGPT Code InterpreterJasperMidjourneyEightify YouTube SummariesFixing eye content on videos with AIThe Web Developer PluginView Rendered Source PluginArticles, Resources, and Links MentionedLearningSEO.iohttps://www.perplexity.ai/The Risk of AI To Content CreatorsVideo Indexing ReportSEO in the age of AIDoing SEO for TikTokScraping YouTube with PythonAuditing JavaScript for SEOFind Sara OnlineSara’s BlogSara on LinkedInThe post 128: Surviving SEO in an AI World: Strategic SEO vs Checklist SEO w/Sara Taher appeared first on Evolving SEO.

It’s hard to convey the huge variety of topics we covered in this action-packed episode with just a 60-character title!Myriam Jessier is an SEO Trainer, SEO Consultant, and co-owner of PRAGM, a technical marketing agency. She speaks three languages and has been doing SEO for over 15 years.I had a blast talking with her, and I learned a lot listening back to this conversation – this was my longest episode ever clocking in at almost 2 hours! But it will fly… Topics In This Episode Include:Breaking through the “curse of knowledge” in SEOUnderstanding the psychology and emotions of searchersThe weaknesses of keyword intent analysis at scaleWhy PageSpeed Insights may not realize you’ve already compressed your imagesWorking with developers Understanding “Graceful degradation” Applying Librarian Skills to SEOA GeoIP Redirects RantAlgorithmic Biases, Gendered Language, and Keyword ResearchThe parallels between furniture design and SEOTips for working in SEO with ADHDAnd lots more!Listen Now!About the Sponsor – Stacker StudioYes, we have a NEW sponsor! Stacker Studio will create super high-quality, well-researched content for your site – and then it gets syndicated out to Stacker.com and also a guaranteed 50+ network of media and news sites (local and national).Sites their client’s content appears on include San Franciso Chronicle, MSN, Daily News, and a lot more!I spent a lot of time reviewing the content and backlinks generated by several of their client’s sites, and it’s all top-notch quality and something I would do or have my clients utilize in a second. Visit https://studio.stacker.com/wire to receive a 20% discount on your first story and promotion.Related Episodes You Might Like Show The Worst Technical SEO Mistakes To Avoid w/Olga ZarrSeizing The Image Search Opportunity w/Jess PeckAgenda and TimestampsComing Soon!Tools MentionedComing Soon!Articles, Resources, and Links MentionedComing Soon!Find Myriam OnlineMyriam on LinkedInMyriam on TwitterPRAGM Search AgencySEO Cash Flow w/Myriam and Olga ZarrNEW! Show TranscriptionComing shortly…I am trying transcriptions out with a tool called Rev.com – while I don’t have time to meticulously edit the transcript, I think it’s pretty good and accurate – let me know what you think! The post 127: Image Optimization, Algorithmic Biases, ADHD & SEO w/Myriam Jessier appeared first on Evolving SEO.

If you’re looking for creative ideas and strategies for creating more authoritative content and earning backlinks passively, this episode is for you!Monique is an SEO Consultant, Digital Strategist, Content Creator, Podcaster, and lots more. After nearly three years with the Wiideman Consulting Group where she led a 20% average increase in inbound organic search traffic for clients, she has gone out on her own with her new company Digital Meaux Solutions.I had a blast and learned a lot listening back to this conversion – we talked about lots including: Topics In This Episode Include:Why Monique moved away from active Link BuildingMonique’s unique type of company – part content creation + part SEOThe intersection of Link Building and ContentThe ingredients of authoritative contentGetting links with no outreachHow to get .edu links Local Link Building The importance of style, tone, and sentiment for SEOMonetizing Blog ContentHow to capitalize on trendsDiversity & Inclusion in SEO and MarketingNon-Traditional Career/Entrepreneurship PathsMonique’s Podcast and Self CareListen Now!About the Sponsor – Stacker StudioYes, we have a NEW sponsor! Stacker Studio will create super high-quality, well-researched content for your site – and then it gets syndicated out to Stacker.com and also a guaranteed 50+ network of media and news sites (local and national). Sites their client’s content appears on include San Franciso Chronicle, MSN, Daily News, and a lot more!I spent a lot of time reviewing the content and backlinks generated by several of their client’s sites, and it’s all top-notch quality and something I would do or have my clients utilize in a second. Visit https://studio.stacker.com/wire to receive a 20% discount on your first story and promotion.Related Episodes You Might Like Show Agenda and TimestampsProven Rules for Outreach and Link Success w/Gisele NavaroGetting Major Publishers To Feature Your Content (20 Proven Tips!) /Kerry JonesTools MentionedGrammarlyGoogle’s Natural Language API TesterAhrefsSEMrushBuzzSumoHemmingwayappHubspotArticles, Resources, and Links MentionedComing Soon!Find Monique OnlineMonique on LinkedInMeaux Digital SolutionsMeaux’s NEW Podcast:iTunesSpotifyiHeart RadioThe post 126: Passive Link Acquisition With Authoritative Content w/Monique (Meaux) Quarles appeared first on Evolving SEO.