The Behavioral Lens of Psychopaths with Presley Wanner (Part 2)

Alison Fragale, author of Likeable Badass, joins Liat to break down what it really takes to be powerful, respected, and still totally likeable at work and in life. Also along for the ride? Liat’s sister Talia, Alison’s biggest fangirl, who may or may not misuse the term “preference assessment” on air. From spotting unlikeable behavior in yourself to mastering reciprocity and owning your voice, this episode is packed with real talk, laughs, and badass tips you’ll actually want to use.Behavior Concepts Covered: Fixed Time ScheduleNoncontingent reinforcementPairingTactBehavioral TargetPermanent ProductConnect with Alison: Get the Book! LinkedInInstagramNewsletterAlisonFragale.comCheck Out Our Sponsors!beyonddistillingcompany.com@beyonddistillingcompany Connect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

Why are we so obsessed with reality TV? In this episode, Liat sits down with cultural sociologist and Bachelor Nation expert Dr. Danielle Lindemann to break down the behavioral science behind our favorite trainwrecks. From parasocial relationships and unconditioned reinforcers to casting archetypes and cult-like manipulation, we dive into what keeps us watching — and what it says about us.Turns out, reality TV isn’t just entertaining… it’s a masterclass in behavior.Behavior Concepts Covered: Function of Behavior Reactivity Unconditioned reinforcers PairingEnvironmental ManipulationsCorrelationCausationConnect with Professor Lindemann:Website@djlindee on Bluesky and [email protected] on ThreadsCheck out the Book! This episode is sponsored by the Behavior Analyst Resource Center. Learn more at https://behavioranalystresourcecenter.comConnect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

Get ready for round two as Presley dives even deeper into the dark and twisted world of Jeffrey Dahmer—but this time, through the behavior analytic lens you didn’t know you needed. In Part 2, we dissect Dahmer’s behavior chain step by step, breaking down the environmental variables, reinforcement histories, and learned behaviors that shaped one of the most infamous serial killers in history. It’s true crime meets ABA, and it’s as fascinating as it is disturbing. Tune in as we explore how behavior doesn’t happen in a vacuum—and why understanding the “why” behind even the darkest actions matters.Behavior Concepts Covered:Behavior Chain Learning History Antecedent Establishing OperationMotivating OperationConditioned ReinforcementStimulus GeneralizationExtinctionPrivate EventsConnect with Presley:CrimeandBehavior.com Crime & Behavior Analysis Academy ABAI Special Interest Group LinkedInConnect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

What do you get when you mix true crime obsession with behavioral science? A badass criminologist BCBA like Presley Wanner. In Part 1 of this two-part banger, Liat sits down with Presley to hear how her love of crime and behavior led her to blend criminology with ABA (yes, it’s as cool as it sounds). Presley shares her journey into the world of criminal behavior analysis, how she uses behavior-analytic principles in forensic settings, and why she believes BCBAs need a seat at the true crime table. Whether you’re a crime junkie or just obsessed with behavior, you won’t want to miss this one.Behavior Concepts Covered:Motivating OperationStimulus GeneralizationPhilogenic Ontogenic Environmental conditioning Private EventsConnect with Presley:CrimeandBehavior.com Crime & Behavior Analysis Academy ABAI Special Interest Group LinkedInConnect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

In part two of this wild 2-part convo, Liat chats with comedian and cult survivor Davey Jackson. In this second half, things get even deeper—and somehow even funnier. Davey opens up about the psychological fallout of leaving a cult, the behavioral patterns that kept him stuck, and how comedy became his unexpected lifeline. Liat and Davey break down cult dynamics through a behavioral lens, sprinkle in some serious shade, and prove that healing doesn’t have to be humorless. Don’t miss this final dose of insight, laughter, and truth bombs.Behavior Concepts Covered: Pairing Behavior ContractStimulus DiscriminationModeling Operational DefinitionDead Man’s Test Positive & Negative ReinforcementMatching Law Connect with Davey:Instagram - @daveyjaxYoutube - @daveyjaxxTikTok - @daveyjaxxFacebook - Davey JacksonFriends with Davey PodcastCheck Out Our Sponsors!Noteable:WebsiteInstagramConnect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

In part one of this wild 2-part convo, Liat chats with comedian and cult survivor Davey Jackson. From escaping a high-control group to crushing it on stage, Davey’s story is raw, real, and ridiculously funny. You’ll laugh, gasp, and maybe even have a new crush.Behavior Concepts Covered: Pairing Behavior ContractStimulus DiscriminationModeling Operational DefinitionDead Man’s Test Positive & Negative ReinforcementMatching Law Connect with Davey:Instagram - @daveyjaxYoutube - @daveyjaxxTikTok - @daveyjaxxFacebook - Davey JacksonFriends with Davey PodcastConnect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

This week, Liat sits down with Jeron Trotman—a badass BCBA who's redefining what it means to show up authentically in the field of behavior analysis. From his Bronx roots to making waves in boardrooms, Jeron shares how environment shapes behavior, why representation matters, and how he’s breaking barriers in a field that desperately needs it. Expect truth bombs, real talk, and plenty of laughs.Behavior is more than science—it’s a movement. Tune in or miss the F out!Behavior Concepts Covered: Token EconomiesReinforcement DisseminationGeneralizationLearning HistoriesRepair ProcedureShapingRule-Governed BehaviorContingency-Shaped BehaviorResponse EffortExtinctionSocial ValidityWant to Connect with Jeron?Black Men in Behavior Analysis (BMBA):Instagram TikTok Facebook LinkedInBMBANetwork.orgBMBA Summit 2025 Registration Beyond the Science Podcast:InstagramYoutubeTikTokLinkedInFacebookThe Behavior Technician Conference:Website & Registration FacebookLinkedInInstagramTik TokFacebook Group Connect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches

Get ready to rumble! This week, we’re body-slamming into the world of pro wrestling with Damo McCullough—professional wrestler, gym owner, family guy, and Liat’s personal burpee dictator. Damo’s spilling all the secrets on how wrestlers use behavioral science to pump up the crowd, master insane moves, and keep the drama flowing like pyro on a championship night.Whether you’re here for the wrestling, the behavior nerdiness, or just some good ol’ laughs, this episode is a total showstopper. Don’t forget to tag your favorite wrestlers on Instagram @behaviorbitchespodcast!Behavior Concepts Covered: Pairing AntecedentReinforcementPunishmentShapingChainingTask AnalysisExtinctionStimulus DiscriminationWant to Connect with Damo?InstagramFacebookYoutubeMerchConnect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

Ever wondered what it’s really like to be on The Bachelor? Well, today we’ve got the inside scoop from none other than Parisa Shifteh, BCBA and contestant from Season 29! Parisa may have left in week 4, but she’s here to spill all the behind-the-scenes tea—like how she landed on the boldest first convo of the season (yes, the PowerPoint was 100% her idea), why she literally breaks out in hives when she’s nervous, and what it’s like taking the Collective (aka the best way to pass the BCBA exam). Plus, she gives us the inside scoop on picking outfits, avoiding eye contact with the cameras, and the wild reality of what actually makes it to air. Whether you're a Bachelor superfan or just love a good reality TV deep dive, this episode is a must-listen! Tune in or miss the F out!Behavior Concepts Covered:Stimulus generalizationPairingPre attendingPrecursors Behavior managementAntecedentConsequence Adaptation Operant behaviorMODeprivation BSTExtinction ReinforcementImitation Formal similarityModel Immediacy Redundancy stimulus promptGroup contingency Three term contingency Private events Want to Connect with Parisa?Follow her on Instagram!Connect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com

In this episode, Liat sits down with Sean Inderbitzen, author of Autism in Polyvagal Terms, to break down the science behind neuroception, how the nervous system shapes behavior, and what the Polyvagal Theory means for understanding autism. They also dive into the heated world of ABA criticism—how to handle the haters, what the field gets right (and wrong), and how we can do better. This conversation will make you think differently about autism, behavior, and the future of ABA. Don’t miss it!Behavior Concepts Covered:StimmingDiscreet trialReinforcementPunishmentCheck Out Sean's Author PageRead Autism in Polyvagal TermsFollow Sean on InstagramNorton Mental Health on Facebook Norton Mental Health on Instagram BACB Grievance BoardConnect with Behavior BitchesInsta: @behaviorbitchespodcastFacebook: Behavior Bitches PodcastWebsite: BehaviorBitches.comPatreon: Patreon.com/BehaviorBitchesPodcastContact Us: For podcast inquiries, episode ideas, or just to say hi, email us at [email protected] Leave us a 5-star review in the Apple Podcast App so we can read it to everyone during our episodes and make us super happy!Looking for BCBA Exam Prep or CEUs?• Whether you need help passing the BCBA exam or are looking to earn CEUs, Study Notes ABA has you covered. Check out our website for comprehensive exam prep materials, prep courses, and CEUs• Test Prep: StudyNotesABA.com• CEUs: CEU.StudyNotesABA.com