A Mediocre Time with Tom and Dan podcast

Ryan Davis & T Springs

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A Mediocre Time with Tom and Dan: Episode Notes

Hosts: Tom Vann, Dan Dennis | Guest: Ryan Davis, T Springs

Sponsors / Ad Reads

  • None. There were no sponsor segments. The only promotion was for Ryan Davis's weekend at The Funny Bone Orlando.

Segment Rundown

  1. Cold open: Funny Bone plug. The hosts welcome Ryan Davis and T Springs, who are in town for two shows tonight and two tomorrow at The Funny Bone Orlando. Ryan does a quick "morning radio" voice to kick things off.

  2. Flashback: the 2017 visit. T remembers stopping by the studio in 2017 on their first "prove it" tour, when clubs booked them on weeknights. Krista had set up a press run for them, and a limo driver named George took them to two radio stations before the studio. T says he was struck by the setup (couches, emoji floor, full branding) and by the hosts' freedom to talk and dress however they wanted. He calls them early adopters, since clubs rarely pay for radio press anymore and comics just Zoom in now. The hosts credit Danger Brains, their original branding agency, and explain that they branded everything to look legitimate next to mainstream media. Along the way there's a running joke that the duo looks like "a biker and a cop."

  3. The $150K special. Ryan explains why he paid about $150,000 to film his own special, and jokes that he only learned he'd been overcharged when people said specials don't cost that much. He compares himself to Josh Johnson, who could bring proven weekly viewership to HBO, and says he had no such leverage. He hired top crew: the editor of Chris Rock's specials and the shooter of Mike Epps's specials. He also rented the House of Blues Chicago, repainted the stage, and brought in new lights, drapes and one-night-only Yondr phone pouches. He thanks Killer Mike and Run the Jewels for sending him their sneakers before release, and he wears the high-tops in the special.

  4. Netflix says no. Deon Cole personally walked the special into Netflix, and someone else pitched it too. After about six months Netflix passed without explaining why. Ryan says feedback is a basic courtesy, and a host compares it to dance competitions, where judges write down why a dancer missed the next level. Netflix then invited Ryan to the Netflix Is a Joke festival, where he killed with the same jokes from the special.

  5. T's independence take. T says he had pushed Ryan to stay independent and avoid corporate oversight, and that Netflix mostly cares about which talent brings in new subscribers. Ryan clarifies that he and T disagree often and that T doesn't speak for him. Both say the pushback is why their partnership works: a "yes" means something because it isn't coming from a yes-man.

  6. Going around Netflix. Ryan says the people he wanted from Netflix were casual viewers who need to be told what to watch, since real comedy fans already go to clubs. He posted clips of the special that each passed a million views and beat Netflix's own clips, even though Netflix has about 30 times his following. He sold the full special on Patreon, then partnered with Ali Siddiq to put it on Siddiq's YouTube, where it has 5.2 million views. T had long pushed him to join TikTok, and Ryan got about 200,000 followers right away. Ryan still dislikes TikTok and argues it should be a space for kids, not their parents.

  7. Business impact and the doubters. Ryan's weekend crowds grew from about 600 to about 1,100, and he calls it the best tour of his career. T points to YouTube comments with timestamps as proof people watched the whole thing. Ryan says his favorite comments are from people who doubted him and admit he's as good as he says. The talk moves to hate-watching: Floyd Mayweather's fights against Conor McGregor drew crowds hoping he'd lose, and in wrestling, heels like Stone Cold Steve Austin got so popular they stopped being heels.

  8. A more mature audience. T says the special showed people that Ryan was a stand-up before he made videos, and that the crowds are now couples, married people and regular comedy-goers. Ryan says he wants to give an escape to people who've earned one, not to doom-scrollers who want him to repeat what they see online. He compares stand-up to going to a movie: you're there for the creator's vision, not your own.

  9. Social media comics versus stand-up. The hosts ask whether influencers who sell out clubs before they have a real set have it harder. Ryan's answer: imagine if the hosts' biggest audience had shown up for their very first episode and judged them by it. He says he pities those comics instead of envying them. The hosts mention that the chat room loves it when they geek out on the craft.

  10. Craft and paying dues. T says jumping the line is fine as long as you respect the art form. He points out that clubs are really food and drink businesses, so they'll book anyone who sells tickets. His examples of doing it right:

    • DC Young Fly learned from people like Carlos Miller and Nick Cannon.
    • Charlie Murphy toured with strong headliners like Bill Burr and Donnell Rawlings until he could headline himself.
    • Wix is doing the same thing now by bringing comics like Ken Miller and Mike Hurley on the road.

    Other bits: a "spilled paint" analogy for an accidental hit; an influencer who sold out a 3,000-seat Hard Rock Live and got booed doing crowd work; and a prank-video creator who suddenly sells a stand-up tour. Ryan says the audience in that case had no proof of concept. He compares it to a piano player selling guitar tickets: different kinds of funny are like different kinds of music. T notes that some comics do 15 minutes of crowd work to sell the next city and are strong stand-ups for the other 45, so fans should research before buying tickets.

  11. Celebrity podcasts and broadcast reps. The hosts note that celebrities and athletes get podcasts handed to them, mentioning Shaq and the "Hawk Tuah" girl, along with a running joke about her crypto episode. The hosts mention their 30-plus years in broadcasting, starting at age 19, and 3,870 podcast episodes. T says he's been in comedy for over 13 years but gets dismissed because he lacks a big following. Ryan went to school for sports journalism and quit that path when networks started hiring ex-athletes like Emmitt Smith and Jerry Rice who couldn't explain the game.

  12. Chat room check-in. There are a little under 100 people in the live chat, and one viewer calls the episode a "pod tour." The hosts joke about the chat accusing a host of dyeing his hair the week before.

  13. The Kevin Durant beef. T describes Ryan's creative process: hours of quiet pacing, a photographic memory and no notepad. T also got a T-shirt made with Durant's picture for the video. Ryan explains that Durant claimed offense wins championships, then called Ryan a "trash comedian" in a reply. Ryan's video rebuttal made these points:

    • Durant's Warriors title teams ranked top three in defensive efficiency.
    • The only champion that wasn't elite on defense was the Kobe and Shaq Lakers, and both of them were All-Defensive.
    • Mike D'Antoni's offensive system never won a title, and Durant's Brooklyn team with Harden and Kyrie fell short too.
    • Draymond Green once lost a three-point contest to Kevin Hart.
    • Durant shot poorly as OKC blew a 3-1 lead to the Warriors.

    Durant answered that he's "a trillion times better" at his job and mocked the six-minute video. Ryan says he'll spend a whole day on anyone who comes at him, because he enjoys the research more than the insult.

  14. All-in or oblivious. Ryan says he's either fully locked in or completely scattered. Examples: he went to grab his room key, stopped to eat dumplings instead and forgot the key; he didn't hear a word said on the car ride over; and he can't multitask. His kids and wife have to stand in front of him to get his attention.

  15. Dave Chappelle's nod. Ryan talks about his imposter syndrome when Chappelle praised him, which only sank in once Chappelle started quoting his material. Chappelle put him on his recent tour and pulled him aside afterward to offer advice. T recalls Ryan opening for Chappelle in Charlotte, their hometown, and hanging out in the green room. Ryan told Chappelle that his praise lands like Richard Pryor's or Eddie Murphy's would for Chappelle. On Chappelle controversies, Ryan says the people who get angry usually never heard the full bit.

  16. Outrage and dopamine. A host argues people are hooked on the cheap dopamine of being angry online. T compares comedy to a museum: not every piece is for everyone, but each one made it in. Ryan says he writes setups that unsettle you on purpose so the punchline lands harder, and people who quit early miss the payoff. He makes a playful drug analogy about waiting for the good stuff. The group then talks about doom-scrolling and how Ryan reads the comments on everything.

  17. Ryan loves comedy. T wants listeners to know Ryan loves comedy regardless of fame and constantly shares other comics on his Instagram stories, including a bit about a Blink-182-style whiny voice. T says the "arrogant" label doesn't fit someone who promotes others that much. Ryan pushes back on "it's all subjective" with a "what if I said I sing better than Whitney Houston" example, and adds that people are told to believe in themselves but get criticized for doing it loudly.

  18. Prince, the non-imposter. A host says some performers, like Prince, were never imposters. He remembers watching Prince make "Batdance" while playing every instrument himself. T notes that in a copycat world, nobody managed to become a second Prince.

  19. Ari Spears on Vlad TV. Ryan explains that Ari Spears's praise on Vlad TV went viral. He clarifies that a shoutout can get people to watch something but won't make them spend money. T says many people watched the special just to prove Ari wrong, even though Ari has 30 years in the business. A host closes the bit: he'd take comedy advice from Ari but not fashion advice.

  20. Wrap: the 18-minute viewer. Ryan shares a comment from a viewer who quit the special after 18 minutes, came back out of boredom, and called it one of the best specials he'd seen. The group jokes that judging an hour-long special that early is like leaving a movie before the hero becomes Batman, and blames short attention spans.

  21. Meet and greet and sign-off. T plugs Ryan's free meet and greet and promises something special for anyone who says they came from the Tom and Dan show. There's a joke about Pauly Shore taking fan photos from a chair, which they say is all in fun. The hosts tease the Friday Free Show in about 30 minutes.

Key Dates / Plugs Mentioned

  • 2017 (past): T and Ryan's first visit to the studio on a radio press run before a Tampa Improv show.
  • Ongoing: Ryan's special is on Ali Siddiq's YouTube (5.2 million views) and for sale on Ryan's Patreon. Clips are on TikTok and Instagram.
  • In about 30 minutes: The Friday Free Show with Tom and Dan.
  • Tonight: Ryan Davis does two shows at The Funny Bone Orlando, and the hosts push the late show.
  • Tomorrow: Two more Ryan Davis shows at The Funny Bone Orlando.
  • After each show: A free meet and greet with Ryan, with something special for anyone who says they heard about it on Tom and Dan.
  • Standing offer: The hosts invite Ryan and T to Zoom or call in anytime.

Notable Guests/Callers

  • Ryan Davis: Stand-up comedian headlining The Funny Bone Orlando, and the main guest.
  • T Springs: Ryan's longtime best friend and partner on tour, and co-guest.
  • Krista: Mentioned as the person who set up the 2017 press run, and joked about as being in the room.
  • Live chat room: Just under 100 viewers who weighed in during the show. There were no phone callers or voicemails.

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