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Shame, Certainty, Memory and Healing: An Updated Approach to Treating Betrayal Trauma

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Tony Overbay, LMFT, and Marla Christensen, AMFT, APCC, dive deep into the complexities of betrayal trauma, focusing on the emotional and cognitive challenges faced by both partners. They explore how the betrayer's shame and fragmented memories often lead to staggered disclosures, which can further traumatize the betrayed partner. Over time, understanding the flawed nature of memory, the impact of shame, our desire to alleviate discomfort at almost any cost, and the human need for certainty is crucial. By developing emotional regulation, better communication skills, and a deeper understanding of oneself and each other, couples can approach the formal disclosure process with less pain, more intention and compassion, and potentially more realistic expectations. This discussion highlights the importance of patience, education, and therapeutic support in healing betrayal trauma. Tony shares the continuing evolution of his therapeutic approach for working with betrayal trauma, building off of his work with hundreds of couples over the past decade. Tony emphasizes the need to intentionally delay full disclosure until a strong foundation of emotional skills and mutual understanding is built. He explains how therapists must remain differentiated and confident in their methods to guide couples through this challenging process. By focusing on the concepts of memory, certainty, emotional immaturity, and effective communication, Tony and Marla offer valuable insights for anyone navigating the painful path of betrayal trauma. If you are interested in contacting or working with Marla, you can contact her at [email protected] 00:00 Welcome Back to the Virtual Couch 00:24 Understanding Dual Licensing 01:50 The Licensing Exam Experience 02:31 Introducing the Controversial Theory on Betrayal Trauma 03:39 The Concept of Formal Disclosure 06:34 Personal Experiences with Staggered Disclosure 09:15 Confabulation and Memory Mechanisms 15:55 Therapeutic Approaches to Betrayal Trauma 19:03 Recognizing Signs of Discouragement 20:48 The Two-Choice Dilemma 22:46 Understanding Memory and Its Challenges 27:10 The Quest for Certainty in Relationships 34:39 The Concept of Lying and Its Implications 36:19 Final Thoughts and Reflections

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