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Episode 51 is with Addison Kirst of des pair books !This episode we discuss origins/what drove her to her creative side, never seeing herself as an artist, roles within the arts field, “seeing behind the curtain,” and falling in love with working with creatives/artists.Battling with physical/mental health, during this time finding a deep love for the outlets of reading and film, pivoting/leaving the art world, starting a passion project based off her love for literature, then turning that project into the physical location that is now des pair books ! We go back and forth and bullshit about such n such! Books and art people!

Episode 50! is with Psyche Organic's Theophilos ConstantinouIn this episode, Theo speaks on the origins and current running of Psyche, reminiscing on the years of Paradigm/Paradigm Publishing, personal photography, and a life of travel/movement. He also opens up about his love for people/facilitation, sobriety, faith, having an all or nothing mentality, etc!Oh! Also gives advice for those wanting/looking to start a brand. Noting the importance of having "through lines" and focusing on your attention to detail."I don't believe that I've created a brand as much as I create worlds that you can live inside of." a mental inventory of sorts. enjoy.

Episode 49 is with Nolan Zangas. Started off by speaking on Nolan's roots in skating, filming, and creating a full length skate video.  Due to horrific circumstance, he sustained a life changing injury where he broke his back and had to step away from skating for an extended period of time. It was during this time where Nolan found what would eventually become his career...photography.Progressing in skating years later, he decided to focus on the skating side of things, got sponsorship, but eventually decided that he wanted to step away from personal skating and focus on his true passion of photography.

Episode 48 is with New York City's very own...Wiki! An ode to writing, dancing, love, collaboration, and continuing to find growth in your craft after over a decade of dedication. Etc! Etc!

Episode 47 is with Na-Kel Smith.We talk about Nak growing up, his early days of skating, the start of his career, and him being his toughest critic.Nak also expresses the deep importance of his family, the role they play in his life, and the special bond he has with them.We ofc discuss King, upcoming projects, reflecting on past years, Odd Future, being multifaceted, filming a new part with Greg Hunt, etc etc. A good honest conversation, yk.

Episode 46 is with Alex Sowinski of BADBADNOTGOOD!Al talks about how he started playing the drums as kid, the role jazz college played in his development, origins of BBNG, and his love for recording on tape. We also speak about the longevity/innovation of the band, the significance of collaboration, his relationship/working with Virgil Abloh, doing a complete score for the ‘Paris de Noche’ skate video from his solo/collaborative work label ‘Group Climate,’  and living on a farm with his wife and kid.Some other things I’m forgetting like streaming vs buying music but alas. A great conversation. As always, hope you enjoy !

Episode 45 is with photographer, and Epicly Laterd’s very own, Patrick O’Dell! Ah, a long winded discourse of our love for interviewing.  We discuss how Pat got his start with skate photography, moving to San Francisco, starting to work with Thrasher, and advice to up-and-coming skate photographers.Additionally, how he began doing interviews, going on tours, learning what he looks for in an interview, balancing the friendship and the professional, upcoming EL shiiiiii, etc etc etc. Much love to Mr. O’Dell. Enjoy

Episode 44 is with New York based writer and filmmaker Katherine Clary!Her editorial project, the Wine Zine, was archived in 2023 after six years (her book also came out of that and was published by Hachette in 2020.) Her first film, A Desert Is An Ocean, was finished in 2023. She’s interested in making confessional documentary films that explore personal histories — her own and others’.Over cups of peppermint tea, we also talk about Kat’s interest in subcultures, moving from SF to settle down in NY, being a forever student, turning her short film into a feature, and the significance grief has had on her life.<3

Episode 43 is with editor, writer, and researcher Isabel Flower!Isabel's work across editorial and advertising is (usually) about art, style, and consumer culture. Her writing has appeared in places such as Kaleidoscope, Cultured, The Wall Street Journal, Garage, Double, Artforum, and Bookforum, and these days she’s executive editor of Deem Journal. With her best friend and longtime collaborator Marcel Rosa-Salas, she is co-author of the “The Nameplate: Jewelry, Culture, and Identity” which was published by Penguin Random House this past summer and began as the open-call archiving project Documenting the Nameplate. The two of them also cohost the Top Rank Podcast.We discuss culture journalism in the digital age, life as a new (working) mom, running podcasts, nepotism, etc etc etc !

Episode 42 is with Queens native, Peter Sidlauskas of Bronze 56k!We discuss Peter's skate origin story, the significance of his block in Queens, and his early influences at the time. He explained that he always loved video cameras, making edits from a young age, and editing videos on two vcrs. He shared about his life-long relationship with his friend Pat, the many iterations of companies they were going to start together, and then finally the process of starting Bronze together. I definitely asked a bunch about his unique editing style, as I feel Bronze editing is the most unique in skateboarding. UTZ chips. America Online. The curation of the "clips-between-the-clips" is unmatched and shows a true level of attention to detail in Peter's psyche that's humbling.There's more ofc. 2 hours here. Blah blah blah!