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Where Do Educators Go to Dream? Reclaiming Educators' Third Space

10/27/2026
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Some of the most powerful conversations among educators begin with a few simple words: "Wouldn't it be great if we..." Those moments when colleagues come together, share ideas, challenge one another, and begin imagining what might be possible for their students. But where do those conversations happen anymore? And what happens to our schools when educators no longer have the space to dream?

In this episode of The Wheelhouse, Derek Shuttleworth returns to explore something he calls the "third space"—a place beyond the demands of our professional and personal lives where educators can connect, think together, rediscover their purpose, and imagine what education might become. It's a conversation that began with an email Derek sent after listening to Season 13, and one that raises important questions about the conditions we've created for the people who work in our schools.

Together, we examine how competing initiatives, fragmented systems, relentless demands, and decisions made without meaningful collaboration can gradually diminish educators' sense of agency and possibility. We've become remarkably good at filling calendars with meetings, monitoring outcomes, and identifying what's wrong. But have we left enough room for educators to be curious, creative, and hopeful about what could be? And are we so focused on what we can measure that we're overlooking some of the most important impacts educators have on students' lives?

Derek reminds us of the importance of building castles in the sky before we become consumed with constructing their foundations. It's not about abandoning the practical work of improving schools. It's about remembering that imagination, purpose, and possibility should help shape that work in the first place. We explore what happens when educators have opportunities to build together, challenge deficit thinking, restore a sense of wonder, and reconnect with the reasons they entered this profession.

And we consider the responsibility of school leaders to create the conditions in which these conversations can flourish. Not by adding another meeting or initiative, but by making room for genuine collaboration, professional trust, and the kind of thinking that allows people to imagine something different—and then begin making it happen.

As we continue exploring the six conditions shaping our schools in Season 14, this conversation reminds us that fragmentation and dehumanization affect more than our organizational systems. They can diminish the professional imagination of the very people we're counting on to create something better for students.

Perhaps one of the most important things we can do for the future of education is make sure educators still have somewhere to dream—and the opportunity to turn those dreams into something students can experience.

In this conversation, we explore:

  • Why educators need a "third space" to connect, imagine possibilities, and renew their sense of purpose.
  • How fragmented systems, competing priorities, and decisions made without meaningful collaboration can diminish professional agency and creativity.
  • Why we need to look beyond what is easily measured to recognize the lasting human impact educators have on students.
  • What it means to imagine the "castles in the sky" before building the foundations that make those possibilities real.
  • How genuine professional relationships and shared imagination can challenge deficit thinking and restore hope and wonder.
  • Why school leaders must create conditions that support professional trust, meaningful collaboration, and the freedom to think differently.
  • What becomes possible for students when the educators who serve them have opportunities to dream, imagine, and build together.

Sometimes meaningful change begins with a simple conversation between colleagues and a question worth asking: "Wouldn't it be great if we..."

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